Thailand reports another daily record of 9,326 COVID-19 cases, 91 more deaths

[ukrules]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

The numbers will hang around in the 9,000s for a few more days as they get in more test kits and then power up to the 25,000 mark without much pause. The peak could easily be 50,000 to 60,000 or even more.

Sure, the more they test, the more they will find.

 

The way to look at is is this - it's already at those levels. My guess would be that it's between 10 and 20 times higher than detected.

 

Deaths will lag by three to four weeks unless they're really overloaded in which case they will die far quicker so that 'unexpected shock' won't hit until at least the end of next week, maybe into the week after.

 

Do they really need to test everyone or anyone? Why are people camping out waiting for a test? If they're ill and have the symptoms then treat them.

It is everywhere now, there is no controlling it at this stage.
 

They should concentrate on treating the ill, people whos oxygen saturation levels have dropped to unacceptable levels, those with pneumonia, etc

 

The Chinese vaccines don't work with this new version of the virus so it should be withdrawn, approval cancelled and it should be removed from the approved list for any of the 'sandbox' schemes because that will only result in more outbreaks in areas which so far have low levels of infection.

 

At the end of the day it's about buying time until full vaccination with a working vaccine, there isn't enough time to do that so the onslaught will continue.

 

 

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, worrab said:

Apologies but I cannot find anything to say UK is on red list having had a dig around.

 

Nor could I.....

[itsari]

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Should be mutual considering the UK has 3x the number of daily new cases of Thailand.

UK has less deaths than Thailand due to a  extensive vaccination program which lessens the severity of the disease should you contract covid 19 . Plus the most vulnerable have been fully vaccinated.  Added with the fact there is far more testing being done in the UK  confirms your lack of understanding of the situation .

[geisha]

This happened in France, after Xmas and New Year the figures exploded. Total lockdown except for essential food shops, pharmacies. Took 3 months for the deaths and infections to go down, real mass vaccinations started in February/ March, nearly two months after the UK. But we were all still in lockdown until June , when it became manageable. If you compare this to Thailand, then expect it to take at least 3/4 months, and I’m being generous. And if Thailand doesn’t get its vaccination mass program underway soon, much more. 

[FarFlungFalang]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And my serious point was that masks aren't reckoned to be as effective in stopping the inhalation of virus in the air, as they are at stopping it from being exhaled into the air. 

But to more directly answer your point. What you are smelling is probably hydrogen sulfide and maybe some other gases. In other words particles the size of molecules because they are molecules. Far smaller than virus particles and far far smaller than the aerosols that carry them.

I've read that the virus is 20 times smaller than smoke particles and if you have a lungful of smoke and breath out there is a lot of smoke that escapes the mask so it would seem that they have about as much effect stopping inhalation as exhalation.I just don't see that going out is any different than coming in.Also is there evidence that shows that the virus is only travelling in aerosols and not free floating as it where?As the virus is so small it just seems that it is only theory that the virus is only carried in aerosols.It's not like one can point an electron microscope in the air and focus in on what's happening.My main point is we don't seem to actually know if you get my drift.I'm not saying masks do or don't work but that we still don't know for certain one way or the other.

[sezze]

21 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Do masks protect you from covid infected farts?

No it does not . What does a mask do ? There is many misunderstanding about it .

1st : what type of mask is it . plain fabric , lowest protection , does help tiny bit keeping particles more near you . Surgical masks : better protection , keeps smaller particles near you , a virus goes through it , but since a virus needs a bit of liquid to survive enough , many are stopped by the mask . And then you got FFP2/FFP3 masks , which filter enough to filter also virus size particles .

A ffp2/3 type , if correctly worn , will protect you and when it doesnt have a exhaust valve , protects also others around you from your exhale .

The others protect only the others around you from your exhaust .

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4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is offensive and obviously comes from a pee sized right wing brain. Where did I quote a source? World Socialist Webh Site. LOL.

You're right about the pea-sized brain but not for the reason you think. I meant to be replying to Eric Loh. I apologize for my error. You were just an innocent bystander. If there is such thing as an innocent bystander. I have my doubts.

[poohy]

52 minutes ago, worrab said:

Apologies but I cannot find anything to say UK is on red list having had a dig around.

 

There something in visa or Phuket section (sorry i cannot remember which)uk was added to red list for Thailand entry on 01 july

Edited July 10, 2021 by poohy

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Do you understand the difference between a breakthrough infection and an ineffective vaccine?

FYI: Breakthrough infection

"A breakthrough infection is a case of illness in which a vaccinated individual becomes sick from the same illness that the vaccine is meant to prevent"

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

That’s the problem with one study of a vaccine, it’s possible for breakthrough infections to randomly dominate the results.

Breakthrough infections are the result. That's how you measure efficacy.  If they dominate a Sinovac trial, then the vaccine does not work well.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 minute ago, sezze said:

No it does not . What does a mask do ? There is many misunderstanding about it .

1st : what type of mask is it . plain fabric , lowest protection , does help tiny bit keeping particles more near you . Surgical masks : better protection , keeps smaller particles near you , a virus goes through it , but since a virus needs a bit of liquid to survive enough , many are stopped by the mask . And then you got FFP2/FFP3 masks , which filter enough to filter also virus size particles .

A ffp2/3 type , if correctly worn , will protect you and when it doesnt have a exhaust valve , protects also others around you from your exhale .

The others protect only the others around you from your exhaust .

I'm thinking about the type of masks that most people wear to satisfy the mask requirement.That is the cheap surgical and cloth masks.

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1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I've read that the virus is 20 times smaller than smoke particles and if you have a lungful of smoke and breath out there is a lot of smoke that escapes the mask so it would seem that they have about as much effect stopping inhalation as exhalation.I just don't see that going out is any different than coming in.Also is there evidence that shows that the virus is only travelling in aerosols and not free floating as it where?As the virus is so small it just seems that it is only theory that the virus is only carried in aerosols.It's not like one can point an electron microscope in the air and focus in on what's happening.My main point is we don't seem to actually know if you get my drift.I'm not saying masks do or don't work but that we still don't know for certain one way or the other.

The thing is, if you are infected with the virus, your exhalations will contain a lot more concentrated virus particles than your inhalations of the ambient atmosphere. Actually aerosols are the free-floating way virus are carried. The other way, and I don't know the technical term for it, would be as projectiles in larger drops of saliva that would succumb to gravity and fall to the ground right away.

[anchadian]

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-royal-gazette-announces-new-covid-19-restrictions-starting-monday/

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You're right about the pea-sized brain but not for the reason you think. I meant to be replying to Eric Loh. I apologize for my error. You were just an innocent bystander. If there is such thing as an innocent bystander. I have my doubts.

Apology accepted. As for innocent bystanders 91 died yesterday due to complete and utter incompetence from a general and his lapdogs who have no right to be running this country. 91 innocent bystanders in my book.

Edited July 10, 2021 by dinsdale

[jacko45k]

21 minutes ago, itsari said:

UK has less deaths than Thailand due to a  extensive vaccination program which lessens the severity of the disease should you contract covid 19 . Plus the most vulnerable have been fully vaccinated.  Added with the fact there is far more testing being done in the UK  confirms your lack of understanding of the situation .

UK has not done so well so perhaps you need to wind your neck back in.... so far over 45x more deaths in UK than Thailand. That is a phenomenal difference. Many most UK vulnerable pre December died.....

You seem not to understand the reality.

Sadly I think Thailand has it yet to come.....

Edited July 10, 2021 by jacko45k

[FarFlungFalang]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

The thing is, if you are infected with the virus, your exhalations will contain a lot more concentrated virus particles than your inhalations of the ambient atmosphere. Actually aerosols are the free-floating way virus are carried. The other way, and I don't know the technical term for it, would be as projectiles in larger drops of saliva that would succumb to gravity and fall to the ground right away.

So if I blow a lung full of smoke out whilst wearing a mask it would be the same as blowing a lung full of covid infected air i.e. with little effect?The results would be similar is what I imagine as I can't see a lung full of covid infected air but I have seen a lung full of smoke escaping past my mask. 

[morrobay]

4 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Stop counting your own R0 number! Nothing to do whit real one whay cant count in Thailand! You just dont have any idea how many contact infected one has made before hes been isolated!

And that is necessery number to know when count R0 number!

Not "my" number , read again , from data given. Ok mr. engineer show us some better data and calculations. And by the way these folks got R0 = 2.27https://scii.chula.ac.th/blog/thailand-tops-the-world-in-covid-reproduction-rate/

[fleccer]

What if all these deaths were due to the vaccine? Do you think they would tell us? What do we know about it? I still wait and see, the autumn will be the showdown

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So if I blow a lung full of smoke out whilst wearing a mask it would be the same as blowing a lung full of covid infected air i.e. with little effect?The results would be similar is what I imagine as I can't see a lung full of covid infected air but I have seen a lung full of smoke escaping past my mask. 

Ok. Don't wear a mask. You obviously think they are ineffective. Good luck. ps. I just did a test. Lung full of smoke, mask on properly I couldn't see any smoke get through. Also keep in mind virul load. I shall now finish my cig and continue imbibing my beer and soon to be Vodka.

Edited July 10, 2021 by dinsdale

[itsari]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

UK has not done so well so perhaps you need to wind your neck back in.... so far over 45x more deaths in UK than Thailand. That is a phenomenal difference. Many most UK vulnerable pre December died.....

You seem not to understand the reality.

Sadly I think Thailand has it yet to come....

My neck is well thank you. 

You are mentioning previous deaths in the UK before the vaccination program . The situation is changing rapidly . I do understand the current situation .

Have a good evening.

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1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So if I blow a lung full of smoke out whilst wearing a mask it would be the same as blowing a lung full of covid infected air i.e. with little effect?The results would be similar is what I imagine as I can't see a lung full of covid infected air but I have seen a lung full of smoke escaping past my mask. 

Lots of smoke particles would also be trapped by the mask. I don't think that the interior of the mask would retain it's original color for long. The discoloration would be trapped smoke particles. So most of the aerosol droplets would be trapped.

We know this because of experiments conducted early in the pandemic. He had 2 cages full of infected hamsters. One of cages had mask material installed on it. Next to each of the 2 cages he set a cage filled with uninfected hamsters. The hamsters next to the masked cage were protected. The other one not.

There were also studies done directly on different kinds of masks subjected to simulated exhalations of droplets. The masks were determined to be effective in a range that varied. N95 being the most effective..

[BE88]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Nor could I.....

Situation is this for now, only orange, but it will certainly be updated next week because the soaring increase in contaminated Covid has only been a week

 

https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions

[PEE TEE]

9 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Wont be long before the UK puts the red light on Thailand making it very expensive and difficult to travel between the two countries with double quarantines

With the infections getting worst day by day i cant imagine anyone wanting to travel is a shame with the sandbox opening and the 15th for Samui its getting scary. no matter wht restrictions are put in action people don't seem to care about spreading  

[friendofthai]

I suggest that these sad events will remove all political obstacles to the approval of Sputnik V in Thailand which is very effective against delta variant:
https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 yes... except, they're still running 140,000 doses per day short of their own self-stated goal of getting 70% of the population fully vaccinated by the end of the year.

 

And they're going to fall further and further behind with every passing day that they come up short, including on every weekend thus far when those 300K-400K dose counts drop to 100K or so.

 

Essential workers getting vaccinated:

 

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7 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

I suggest that these sad events will remove all political obstacles to the approval of Sputnik V in Thailand which is very effective against delta variant:
https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

I guess you weren't expecting others to actually follow the link to the article? Here's what it has to say about the Sputnik vaccine:
"The makers of Russia’s Sputnik V have said it was “more efficient against the Delta variant of coronavirus . . . than any other vaccine that published results on this strain so far”, but provided no evidence to support the claim."

 

[Bkk Brian]

Troops swift to block routes out of #Bangkok ahead new lockdown on Monday.

 

The country’s Supreme Commander, General Chalermphol Srisawat, has also ordered military patrol units to supplement the operations of the checkpoints in preventing any mobility which may accelerate the spread of COVID-19 in other provinces.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1413803587637940226

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/troops-swift-to-block-routes-out-of-bangkok-ahead-new-lockdown-on-monday/

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, BE88 said:

I agree only N95 masks are effective while most people wear totally ineffective surgical masks and this is the main reason for this serious wave of epidemic, with a virus more capable of infecting it finds inadequate protection. The worst are the 50% protection fabric masks..

 

 

Surgical masks are effective to an extent. Remember it's all about virul load and the idea is you wear a mask so as not to spread a virus. All been explained many times before for the last 16 months or there abouts. The Delta is something different though. Mask seepage, inproper fit, not worn properly or not at all along with fleeting contact transmission and this variant is off and away.

[FarFlungFalang]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Lots of smoke particles would also be trapped by the mask. I don't think that the interior of the mask would retain it's original color for long. The discoloration would be trapped smoke particles. So most of the aerosol droplets would be trapped.

We know this because of experiments conducted early in the pandemic. He had 2 cages full of infected hamsters. One of cages had mask material installed on it. Next to each of the 2 cages he set a cage filled with uninfected hamsters. The hamsters next to the masked cage were protected. The other one not.

There were also studies done directly on different kinds of masks subjected to simulated exhalations of droplets. The masks were determined to be effective in a range that varied. N95 being the most effective..

The hamster test doesn't really simulate a person wearing a mask though does it?Was any air going in and out like someone breathing air?I did see a similar study with rats where 25% infection was detected with the mask barrier and 30% without the mask barrier though though the viral load with the barrier was less but again no air flow simulating a person breathing.Why not try putting a large plastic bag over some infected people wearing masks and then swab the plastic bag and do a PCR test that would convince me that masks were effective.

[PEE TEE]

33 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ok. Don't wear a mask. You obviously think they are ineffective. Good luck. ps. I just did a test. Lung full of smoke, mask on properly I couldn't see any smoke get through. Also keep in mind virul load. I shall now finish my cig and continue imbibing my beer and soon to be Vodka.

nice one guys you should not worry about covid or masks if you putting over 4000 horrid chemicals in your lungs be safe 

[Bkk Brian]

Thailand to allow home isolation for asymptomatic #COVID19 patients who have no underlying diseases and have separate bedroom as hospitals are near capacity. Community isolation at temples and schools is also suggested. Patients will be given telemedicine calls and prescriptions.

 

https://twitter.com/tappanai_b/status/1413812838527770625