Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, mommysboy said: I sense there is a dangerous belief creeping in of a mythic vaccine that is 100% effective, instantly protective, without side effects, or adverse effects, and universally available in abundance. What made you believe that? I've not heard that anywhere? Perhaps you're confused with propaganda out of China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2274 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 What is the current position on people having vaccinations, used to love seeing the graph and then the part where it showed if the expectations of the PM will be met, with his 120 days till opening rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, anchadian said: And here's the news report although it doesn't tell us much we don't already know only their nationalities. The question remains are the children and family in adjoining rooms or are they separated, hospital/ASQ hotel? Two Myanmar kids travelling under Phuket Sandbox scheme test positive Kusak Kukiatkul, Phuket's public health chief, said an eight-year-old and a nine-year-old from Myanmar had tested positive at the end of the first week in Phuket. He said the two children were being treated at a hospital, adding that five members of their family must be quarantined for 14 days. "Disease investigation officers are currently looking into the timeline of two new Covid-19 cases during seven days in Phuket," he said. https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003102 what does this report tell me It is highly likely they arrived in Phuket virus free considering how many tests they had so one can only conclude that this was community spread The only people being tested in Phuket are those that arrived from overseas - what does this mean COVID is rampant in the Phuket community and is going undetected because of lack of testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Covid-19 patients who request beds in Greater Bangkok via the National Health Security Office (NHSO) hotline 1330 will receive medical treatment at home or at a venue in their community from Monday https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003103 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, beano2274 said: What is the current position on people having vaccinations, used to love seeing the graph and then the part where it showed if the expectations of the PM will be met, with his 120 days till opening rubbish It’s posted in this thread if you look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, smedly said: what does this report tell me It is highly likely they arrived in Phuket virus free considering how many tests they had so one can only conclude that this was community spread The only people being tested in Phuket are those that arrived from overseas - what does this mean COVID is rampant in the Phuket community and is going undetected because of lack of testing Well they tested positive their second test which is 5 or 6 days in so its possible that it was contracted in Phuket. What we need is for the officials to now sequence the sample as that would tell them the linage and where its from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, wensiensheng said: It’s posted in this thread if you look. Its amazing how people just don't read the thread here as all the news is there, laziness guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riparian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, anchadian said: And here's the news report although it doesn't tell us much we don't already know only their nationalities. The question remains are the children and family in adjoining rooms or are they separated, hospital/ASQ hotel? Two Myanmar kids travelling under Phuket Sandbox scheme test positive Kusak Kukiatkul, Phuket's public health chief, said an eight-year-old and a nine-year-old from Myanmar had tested positive at the end of the first week in Phuket. He said the two children were being treated at a hospital, adding that five members of their family must be quarantined for 14 days. "Disease investigation officers are currently looking into the timeline of two new Covid-19 cases during seven days in Phuket," he said. https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003102 Presumably they flew in from somewhere other than Myanmar. I can't see that being a low risk country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, mommysboy said: I sense there is a dangerous belief creeping in of a mythic vaccine that is 100% effective, instantly protective, without side effects, or adverse effects, and universally available in abundance. There isn't! The AZ is comparable with Pfizer in a real world setting. Thailand's problem is simply shortage, and bad organization. You surprise me. I have the opposite sense. Particularly here in Thailand it previously seemed that the population thought just one jab gave instant 100% protection. but with the recent media coverage of perceived issues with sinovac versus the delta variant, I get the sense that people are far more wary of just any old vaccine now and are consciously looking for mRNA vaccines because they realize “a vaccine” is not 100% effective immediately that’s just anecdotal from what I see and read in the press, so no where near conclusive. It’s interesting your read of the situation is the opposite though, maybe I need to cast a wider net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKC Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, kynikoi said: Since day one it's been handled so poorly it begs conspiratorial questions. Can anyone point to anything good or clever the government has done over these past months? Serious question. Serious answer! Yes, I can! The Government has sent my wife more than B5,000 over the period (B1500 last week) to help with necessary expenses arising from the pandemic and the hardship it has caused. She didn't claim hardship, only that she is 61 and therefore a pensioner! No mention of a rich farang husband! Rich? 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Well they tested positive their second test which is 5 or 6 days in so its possible that it was contracted in Phuket. What we need is for the officials to now sequence the sample as that would tell them the linage and where its from. do you actually think it is their selfish interests to do so let alone publish the results - I think not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, riparian said: Presumably they flew in from somewhere other than Myanmar. I can't see that being a low risk country. I think this is a link to the list, but I don’t read Thai. It seems still to be dated 16th June I think. Which is odd. 1st July was the last revision date and back then I saw Spain France and UK in the high risk list. Now I can’t find the whole thing. anyway, back on point, as far as I can see, Myanmar is surprisingly a medium risk country……..which suggests to me the classification list isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. But I’m just a layman who knows nothing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJhoPj4drxAhVBxzgGHatPAsQQFjADegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fddc.moph.go.th%2Fuploads%2Fckeditor2%2Ffiles%2F%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A8%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%87%20%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%2016%20%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%A2%2064.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0jcsJoTbGtaNRHYDs0GUaj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, smedly said: do you actually think it is their selfish interests to do so let alone publish the results - I think not Absolutely not, we'll never hear about it again from them I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Here, its been picked up by the Nation News, perhaps take it up with them if you fail to understand the significance or failed to read the posts above, good luck https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003089 Sorry, I didn't know I have to scroll up and down to find where your post might have been a reply. You are indeed a very funny guy. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted July 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said: All existing COVID-19 vaccines are developed based on variants circulating in 2020, so their efficacy against the Delta variant would roughly be the same. If Sinovac's efficacy declines, so will that of others, said Feng. Regarding normal attempts as prejudiced decisions Many Western media outlets such as CNN on Wednesday widely circulated a so-called leaked memo from Thailand which "raises concerns over Sinovac vaccines' efficacy." The document prompted calls for medical workers in Thailand to get an mRNA booster shot after completing two CoronaVac jabs, though denied by the national senior health official Opas Karnkawinpong for its authenticity. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228213.shtml This is misinformative . Perhaps not surprising considering the source, China's Global Times, see WIKI New mRNA vaccines are deeply and fundamentally different from old style inactivated or dead virus vaccines. Old vaccines must follow a real virus from a past point in time. Although mRNA vaccines may use old strains as templates, the are very flexible. They can pull off amazing tweaks unimaginable for old style vaccines. One such trick is known as the 2P spike mutation. Its developer, Jason McLellan, is one of the true geniuses behind the success the mRNA vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer. Here is his story: https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behind-COVID-19/98/i38 He also has a newer, better spike technology called HexaPro, which promises even better future mRNA vaccines. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, wensiensheng said: strange how it makes the national newspapers in Thailand, but YOU don’t think it’s “worth to mention”. perhaps the issue is that YOU aren’t interested, but others might be? Obviously it had to be repeated on and on for others to believe and understand ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: Sorry, I didn't know I have to scroll up and down to find where your post might have been a reply. You are indeed a very funny guy. ???? I gave you the link, not much scrolling for you, as for the rest yea right. Thanks for the acknowledgement however always nice to explain the point of something and get nothing but that sort of response back Edited July 11, 2021 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riparian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, wensiensheng said: I think this is a link to the list, but I don’t read Thai. It seems still to be dated 16th June I think. Which is odd. 1st July was the last revision date and back then I saw Spain France and UK in the high risk list. Now I can’t find the whole thing. anyway, back on point, as far as I can see, Myanmar is surprisingly a medium risk country……..which suggests to me the classification list isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. But I’m just a layman who knows nothing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJhoPj4drxAhVBxzgGHatPAsQQFjADegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fddc.moph.go.th%2Fuploads%2Fckeditor2%2Ffiles%2F%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A8%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%87%20%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%2016%20%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%A2%2064.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0jcsJoTbGtaNRHYDs0GUaj Google translate agrees with you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: Obviously it had to be repeated on and on for others to believe and understand ???? Obviously. And I’m still not sure that you get it. oh well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I gave you the link, not much scrolling for you, as for the rest yea right. Thanks for the acknowledgement however always nice to explain the point of something and get nothing but that sort of response back Seems you are sort of big explainer. The world needs you. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, sawadee1947 said: Seems you are sort of big explainer. The world needs you. ???? Apparently needed for some posters here, I do my best, free to ask me anything further in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said: Obviously. And I’m still not sure that you get it. oh well. Depends on one's brain. Some get it straight and others need extra lessons and a low of repetition. Stay healthy and be happy with yourself ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Seems the Trolls are out in force on a Sunday and can not be bothered to start at the beginning of the OP and just jump in asking questions without looking to see if it has been asked and answered before. Oh well it does make for interesting foreplay before they get ignored. Gets tiring explaining things over and over again and providing the same links. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: What made you believe that? I've not heard that anywhere? Perhaps you're confused with propaganda out of China? No, I don't believe so. I'll go with my perceptions. There's a bit of mileage on the clock these days! You go with yours if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anchadian Posted July 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2021 The Royal Thai Armed Forces have set up 145 checkpoints, of which 88 are in the capital, following new stringent measures announced to curb the soaring COVID-19 infection rate. The measures, approved by the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), including a 9pm-4am curfew, were published in the Royal Gazette. The curfew will be in place for at least the next two weeks, starting tomorrow, in Bangkok, Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon, Narathiwat, Pattani, Yala and Songkhla. https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158134422527050 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: Depends on one's brain. Some get it straight and others need extra lessons and a low of repetition. Stay healthy and be happy with yourself ???? True. Best we continue to repost press articles here that might be of interest to people then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, anchadian said: The Royal Thai Armed Forces have set up 145 checkpoints, of which 88 are in the capital, following new stringent measures announced to curb the soaring COVID-19 infection rate. The measures, approved by the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), including a 9pm-4am curfew, were published in the Royal Gazette. The curfew will be in place for at least the next two weeks, starting tomorrow, in Bangkok, Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon, Narathiwat, Pattani, Yala and Songkhla. https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158134422527050 Locations would be nice so we can work our way around them if needed to get across town unless they are just at the outer ends before the roads head to a different province. Wonder if you have to go through one driving to MTT which is technically in Nonthaburi.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said: So you don't agree with Feng Duojia, president of the China Vaccine Industry Association. Noted. I don't agree with incorrect or misleading information. Should I? And you have no comment on the information and references showing his statement is misleading? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anchadian Posted July 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) The Public Health Ministry said today that more than 600 medical workers that received two dose shots of Sinovac have been infected with Covid-19 Edited July 11, 2021 by anchadian 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, anchadian said: The BP has reported that the PHM said today that more than 600 medical workers that received two dose shots of Sinovac have been infected with Covid-19 Wow, that’s an admission and a half to make. Gonna be some fall out from that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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