1 minute ago, anchadian said:

The BP has reported that the PHM said today that more than 600 medical workers that received two dose shots of Sinovac have been infected with Covid-19

 

Would this sudden rise be due to Deltas's new dominance?

29 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

You surprise me. I have the opposite sense.
 

Particularly here in Thailand it previously seemed that the population thought just one jab gave instant 100% protection.

 

but with the recent media coverage of perceived issues with sinovac versus the delta variant, I get the sense that people are far more wary of just any old vaccine now and are consciously looking for mRNA vaccines because they realize “a vaccine” is not 100% effective immediately

 

that’s just anecdotal from what I see and read in the press, so no where near conclusive. It’s interesting your read of the situation is the opposite though, maybe I need to cast a wider net.

 

 

Possibly you do.  I see a belief creeping in that mRNA vaccines are a magic bullet. Real world evidence is showing them to be not any better than the AZ vaccine in effect (both being very effective). You'd have thought the rational thing to do is to try to get hold of the AZ vaccine, since it is the one most likely available, but no people must have the Pfizer/Moderna!  It's a phenomenon also noted in Australia, and Brazil. Yes, cast the net wider with a google search "vaccine- sommelier Brazil". You see what I mean?  Perhaps an explanation is that the AZ is seen to be unsafe.  The odd thing here is that when you look at the wider data, none is better than the other.

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

The BP has reported that the PHM said today that more than 600 medical workers that received two dose shots of Sinovac have been infected with Covid-19

 

Phuket Health Ministry?  In Phuket 600 have tested positive? If thats the case then the lies have been stacking up in Phuket daily....

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Wow, that’s an admission and a half to make. Gonna be some fall out from that.

Adjusted the wording.

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its amazing how people just don't read the thread here as all the news is there, laziness guess

When BIG D is on the move you can skip almost half post anyway .

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Phuket Health Ministry?  In Phuket 600 have tested positive? If thats the case then the lies have been stacking up in Phuket daily....

Public 

7 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Possibly you do.  I see a belief creeping in that mRNA vaccines are a magic bullet. Real world evidence is showing them to be not any better than the AZ vaccine in effect (both being very effective). You'd have thought the rational thing to do is to try to get hold of the AZ vaccine, since it is the one most likely available, but no people must have the Pfizer/Moderna!  It's a phenomenon also noted in Australia, and Brazil. Yes, cast the net wider with a google search "vaccine- sommelier Brazil". You see what I mean?  Perhaps an explanation is that the AZ is seen to be unsafe.  The odd thing here is that when you look at the wider data, none is better than the other.

Ahh, I see. That’s more understandable to me then. As the doubts on some vaccines start, so others become the magic bullet that you mention.

 

Which isn’t so of course. The UK is an example of vaccines definitely not stopping cases, although currently keeping hospitalizations low. The last chapter hasn’t been read yet of course.

 

to be fair, I think it is publicity related to sinovac that has people querying vaccines, AZ seems to be perceived as acceptable. But yes, perception that mRNA is a cut above anything else.

 

thanks for clarifying.

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by wensiensheng

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Public 

So MOPH

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Ahh, I see. That’s more understandable to me then. As the doubts on some vaccines start, so others become the magic bullet that you mention.
 

Which isn’t so of course. The UK is an example of vaccines definitely not stopping cases, although currently keeping hospitalizations low. The last chapter hasn’t been read yet of course.

 

thanks for clarifying.

Yes, sorry I probably didn't explain it well enough- I'm still trying to sort it out in my own head.

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Phuket Health Ministry?  In Phuket 600 have tested positive? If thats the case then the lies have been stacking up in Phuket daily....

Hence the rush for a booster and that study result that said Sinovac was not effective. A real problem now for the authorities, they need those boosters asap and the health workers need decent protection before too many more end up an unwanted statistic

Four days until the reopening of Samui, Koh Pha Ngan and Koh Tao. Today, these three islands again reported zero infections with only four people in hospital. TAT Newsroom has put together this useful FAQ factsheet: https://tatnews.org/2021/07/samui-plus-faqs… #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414174893047001091

 

24 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

 

So you don't agree with Feng Duojia, president of the China Vaccine Industry Association. Noted.

 

I don't either, so you might want to note that down, too.

 

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Ill say it - this is not exponential.   Do you know how numbers grow exponentially?  Not even close to exponential.  It is a 50% increase which is not good.

Fair enough. All I know that within a month it's gone from the 2k's to low 3k to almost 10k. June 11 2,290 July 11 9,539. More than quadrupiled.

 

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by dinsdale

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So MOPH

or Public Health Ministry and yes, abbreviated to MOPH although the source quoted Public Health Ministry.

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by anchadian

I have proposition to TVF admin! Is it possible to put one place all links what is important to people who follow news about covid situation in LOS? Seems like many member dont know how write "thailand news" in google!

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by 2 is 1

3 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

I don't either, so you might want to note that down, too.

 

I tend to believe what Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Gao, said that the current Chinese vaccines don’t have very high protection rates.

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

or Public Health Ministry and yes, abbreviated to MOPH

Now that makes sense especially with a nurse passing away that had been vaccinated.  They sure are scrambling now aren't they.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Hence the rush for a booster and that study result that said Sinovac was not effective. A real problem now for the authorities, they need those boosters asap and the health workers need decent protection before too many more end up an unwanted statistic

The Government are getting boxed into a smaller and smaller corner. 
 

there seems growing evidence that sinovac isnt great against delta (I won’t bother quibbling over percentages) and yet they have (supposedly) just ordered millions more doses which are to arrive soon. 
 

will we see any kind of amendment to the vaccination graphic that is posted everyday showing progress against the target to vaccinate 50 million people by the end of the year? Perhaps a line to show planned mRNA booster shots?

 

I doubt it. They seem to have a stack it high, sell it cheap, kind of strategy where as much volume gets pumped out as fast as possible. Any kind of tailoring to suit changed circumstances seems unlikely.

Sadly, I do not see Thailand being able to save face on any of this.

The incompetence is already creating worldwide news and a total embarrassment to the country and its government.

 

Apologies for the confusion re MOPH/PHM but I think you'll understand what I was trying to achieve.

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

I don't either, so you might want to note that down, too.

 

Done.

Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

 

BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

 

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

 

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

 

BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

 

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

 

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

That went international quick! Come on Prayut and Anutin get on it now and stop dithering with endless meetings

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

 

BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

 

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

 

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

I would add so far!

 

As more and more become exposed to the virus, particularly the Delta variant, I'd expect that number to increase.

 

But these numbers are what would you predict with any vaccine.

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That went international quick! Come on Prayut and Anutin get on it now and stop dithering with endless meetings

Reuters reported this at 16.21 hrs and it was picked up by the local media at 16.57 hrs

#PhuketSandbox update on Sunday: Two local cases and three Sandbox cases with 73 patients now in hospital. Also one more death.

 

WEEK ONE: 24 local + 1 sandbox = 25 cases

WEEK TWO: 28 local + 5 sandbox = 33 cases in four days

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414183129233858564

 

More problems in the sandbox today. Even though it’s good that there were only 2 local cases, there were 3 more cases in the sandbox bringing that total to six. No details yet but I will tweet as soon as there’s news. I also have an update about the children.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1414185221511991296

 

Edited July 11, 20215 yr by anchadian

15 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

 

BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

 

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

 

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

The effectiveness of Sinovac has been questioned for a while ... and now we have it playing out in reality.

 

Despite this, 10.9 million more doses of it were just ordered, for B6.1 billion - a lot of money, and for what?

58 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Locations would be nice so we can work our way around them if needed to get across town unless they are just at the outer ends before the roads head to a different province.  Wonder if you have to go through one driving to MTT which is technically in Nonthaburi....

And are they only in force during curfew hours?

27 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

Ergo although 618 medical workers have become infected after 2 doses of Sinocvac, 676,730 who received two doses of Sinovac did not.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Ergo although 618 medical workers have become infected after 2 doses of Sinocvac, 676,730 who received two doses of Sinovac did not.

The comparison would be who did not and were also working on the frontline in covid wards.