Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

[Bundooman]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

You mean the Chinese junk doesn't work? Quelle surprise.

 

Looks like Thailand might need to restart the vaccine program. Fortunately, it's barely started anyway. Another good example of why Generals should stay in the barracks.

May I suggest an amentment to your line, please?

'Another good example of why Generals should be demoted to private and required to stay, utterly silent, in the barracks - forever!

There. I think that sounds much better.

[Catoni]

Although better than nothing, Sinovac is certainly not the best of the Covid vaccines. It had a much lower efficacy than Pfizer and Moderna for instance. I think Sinovac has only about 64% efficacy. 

   But if that’s all you have , it’s still better than nothing.

 

It takes about two weeks following the shot for immunity to build. During that two week window, you can still get a full blown Covid -19 infection. 
  Following that, you can still get Covid-19, but your infection should be much milder because you are vaccinated. For the elderly with co-morbidities it could be the difference between life and death. 

[British Bulldog]

OK so the Medical teams are very vulnerable to virus attacks, however, should they be taking tighter security, like covering up more, frequently changing masks, hand washing, some kind of disinfectant spray when leaving a ward etc and certainly before going home or to a dormitory ? Isn't the Government caring for the 'carer's' sufficiently ???

[the green light]

Deju vu.. I told you so....

 

THAI vaccination program should have done a better job  studying the composition of each vaccines and how it will work. Instead, they have depend on early development of the local , buy cheaper vaccines having problem in various countries.. They have avoid the vaccines that has proven more efficient to control the virus. Moderna and Pfizer- Never place a hefty ordr in December. They could have made the deal with Pfizer like Israel.

 

Keep dancing on this issue, the opportunity was missed to implement the right vaccines orders soon enough. may it was political motivated leaning on Chinese product to motivate Chinese tourist to come to Thailand. that is what it looks like it.

 

Now, there is a major health concern. Thai missed the window for the major push for the vaccination program..

 

May be they can  ask Joe Biden for more donation or ask him to make a deal with Pfizer in return they can treat the local US farangs  living in Thailand better .( instead of being "dirty") and improve their immigration saga.

 

Something must be done....

 

[the green light]

Just now, the green light said:

Deju vu.. I told you so....

 

THAI vaccination program should have done a better job  studying the composition of each vaccines and how it will work. Instead, they have depend on early development of the local vaccine , buy cheaper vaccines that is having problem in various countries.. They have avoid the vaccines that has proven more efficient to control the virus. Moderna and Pfizer- They have not  place a hefty order  last December. They could have made the deal with Pfizer like Israel.

 

Keep dancing on this issue, the opportunity was missed to implement the right vaccines orders soon enough. .It may have been  political motivated leaning on Chinese product to motivate Chinese tourists to come to Thailand. that is what it looks like it.

 

Now, there is a major health concern. Thai missed the window for the major push for the vaccination program. You are looking end of the year until they have enough vaccines.

 

May be they can  ask Joe Biden for more donation or ask him to make a deal with Pfizer in return they can treat the local US farangs  living in Thailand better .( instead of being "dirty") and improve their immigration saga.

 

Something must be done....

 

 

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Why is this so surprising & automatically attributed to Sinovac?  Has it not always been known that the vaccine...any vaccine...is not a bullet proof vest?  That you may still contract Covid but "hopefully symptoms will be lessened?

 

Truth is most if not all "regular" folks meaning non Medical workers

probably never get retested for Covid once vaccinated & assume all is well.

 

Even though they could have since caught Covid & were asymptomatic or have lessened symptoms to the point of going unnoticed.  Which in truth makes them Super Spreaders

 

Medical workers on the other hand are probably tested weekly at least so of course so this already known chink in the Armour of ANY vaccine against a constantly changing Covid Virus will be more often shown

Quite. My nephew and his wife live in north east Scotland and both got covid some weeks after having second dose of AZ. She was frontline worker and he was on chemo so although in 30s got AZ before it became policy to give mRNA to younger age groups. The benefit as said was neither became particularly ill and went back to work after the self isolation.

Scotland has it's own contact tracing system which appears to work much better than the £37 billion fiasco in England. I suspect the lack of effective contact tracing and control here in Thailand is a greater contributory factor in the frontline cases than the vaccine itself.

[rabas]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

So what this article is reporting is the Sinovac vaccine is .999 percent effective at preventing infection (in people most likely to be exposed to the virus). And .997 effective in preventing death if infected. Good to know because I'm scheduled for my first SV jab on Wednesday. 

From the given data, Sinovac could be from 0.00% to 99.88% effective. There is no control group. The question is how many would have been infected if none had the vaccine.  Obviously not 600000.

 

According to WHO, there are roughly 46,800,000 health care workers worldwide. Of them, 152888 were infected in the first 5 months of the pandemic treating 5,000,000 cases. Or 0.3 %. They had no vaccine.

 

0.3% of 600000 is 1960 so Thailand should have had about 2000 cases without vaccine? So effectiveness is about   (2000-800)/2000 = 60% effective.

 

Actually, according to WHO below, Thailands' actual attending nurses and doctors should be about 200,000 not 600,000. I think the 600,000 includes things like dentists and pharmacists, X-ray techs, etc.

 

So effectiveness could be very low as expected for the Delta variant. Obviously, Sinovac is not 99.9% effective against Delta.

 

references:

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/themes/topics/health-workforce

https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/12/e003097

Edited July 12, 2021 by rabas

[mfd101]

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

So, basically we are back to square one?

No. We - and, we hope, the Thai authorities - have learned or are learning some helpful lessons.

 

What they do with that learning is a different matter.

[Moonfire]

As this wildfire burns through Thailand, the wave of emotions for the mishandling of this crisis will be higher than the barbwire!  

[cardinalblue]

Make Sinovac for foreigners mandatory and it comes with an embedded chip - so you too can speak Chinese fluently…

Edited July 12, 2021 by cardinalblue

[ChrisKC]

40 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Except that there is no historical evidence that she actually said that. Right?

He did say, "reportedly" so he did know that, right?

[Excel]

9 minutes ago, Moonfire said:

As this wildfire burns through Thailand, the wave of emotions for the mishandling of this crisis will be higher than the barbwire!  

And hopefully something that bullets won't stop this time round

[Khun Yogi]

5 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Thank you for your service RIP!

Feel sorry for all familys, family members pass away when only try help and do they job.

The PM and the Govt must be held accountable for this. They made the decision to use Chinese junk !!!!!

 

[tandor]

...just because you're vaccinated doesnt give you immunity...plus some of these cases may have already been infected, ie shedding virus, or asymptomatic...or not have had 28 days to develop enough of their own anti-bodies to stave off an infection.

They too, may not have continued wearing masks or practised safe distancing.

They also probably didnt do any RAT or PCR testing post vaccination testing.

They probably too did not do an Elisa Test for Sero Conversion. 

So many possibilities and holes in the net.

I suspect they only have mild symptoms and will not need hospitalization and will recover rapidly. Unfortunately this can and will probably happen with all vaccines.

Booster shots are the best idea.

[PEE TEE]

1 hour ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

Only viruses they lead the world in that 

[Darksidedude]

5 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Why is this so surprising & automatically attributed to Sinovac?  Has it not always been known that the vaccine...any vaccine...is not a bullet proof vest?  That you may still contract Covid but "hopefully symptoms will be lessened?

 

Truth is most if not all "regular" folks meaning non Medical workers

probably never get retested for Covid once vaccinated & assume all is well.

 

Even though they could have since caught Covid & were asymptomatic or have lessened symptoms to the point of going unnoticed.  Which in truth makes them Super Spreaders

 

Medical workers on the other hand are probably tested weekly at least so of course so this already known chink in the Armour of ANY vaccine against a constantly changing Covid Virus will be more often shown

All of my colleges in UAE had sinovac, it is absolutely useless no antibodys present after a few months, im working in Oman and manged to get the Phizer one which im happy about that

[Retfed50]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

One step back might sound more positive..... I expect only 1 jab of a booster will be needed to add to the 2 prior Sinovac jabs. But sorry Mr Expat or Elderly Thai hoi polloi, that jab we had you down for, has been redirected.

The government announced yesterday that first on the list to receive the Pfizer vaccine donated by the US would be frontline healthcare workers......presumably as a booster to the Sinovac they originally received.

[Mark17AA]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You mean the Chinese junk doesn't work? Quelle surprise.

 

Looks like Thailand might need to restart the vaccine program. Fortunately, it's barely started anyway. Another good example of why Generals should stay in the barracks.

This General could not even box his blankets.

[Nanaplaza666]

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

The problem is that these people are in contact with many others including family.

 

THEY ARE NOT TESTED at all.

 

GF works in a lab at one of the government hospitals and has not been tested as they do not have enough tests for the people coming into be tested.

She is dealing with covid everyday.

At the end of her day she gets on the BTS comes home buys dinner at the market and spends time away from me as much as possible.

We are lucky.  Now take into an account the number of Thai staff that have thai families that are not as careful as Farangs.

They also take the BTS or MRT or city buses.  They come into contact with hundreds of people.

 

It should also be noted that some of these people also partied at Thonglor and got the virus.

 

No offence to anyone here and yes I wnt to get vaccinated BUT IMNSHO the government should be vaccinating the medical staff with moderna or establishing a system of boosters of sinovac and testing of med staff  until they can and even after they have had moderna people working in labs or ER should be vaccinated weekly.

 

 

 

 

 

1 + point in this story , your GF stays away from you as much as possible .

[jmccarty]

Math time.  There are 700,000 health care workers, 97% received 2 doses of Sino vaccine. That's 679,000 people. 880 of all of the 700,000 health care workers caught the covid.  If it were 880 (worst case with this) of the vaccinated, that would be 99.87% efficacy.  The Sino vaccine appears to work way better than reported if this is the case.  

[Xonax]

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

If these figures are to be beleived, we'll done Mr P (sarcasm) another waisted time and money, why isn't the Government listening to health experts that the Sinovac vaccine is useless. 

Sinovac was still a much better option than the alternative (no vaccine). Only one dead and one in critical condition out of 677,348 inocculated medical personnel clearly shows, that Sinovac is not bullet proof, but definitely not bad at all, which is exactly what the tests had showed. 

[petertucker48]

1 hour ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

Apple Mac does.

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, jmccarty said:

Math time.  There are 700,000 health care workers, 97% received 2 doses of Sino vaccine. That's 679,000 people. 880 of all of the 700,000 health care workers caught the covid.  If it were 880 (worst case with this) of the vaccinated, that would be 99.87% efficacy.  The Sino vaccine appears to work way better than reported if this is the case.  

So in your world all 700,000 health care workers were exposed to Covid?

[wombat]

3 hours ago, misterjames said:

No surprises here then

 

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Got any more good news?

i'd call mine a reality check

[jmccarty]

41 minutes ago, the green light said:

Deju vu.. I told you so....

 

THAI vaccination program should have done a better job  studying the composition of each vaccines and how it will work. Instead, they have depend on early development of the local , buy cheaper vaccines having problem in various countries.. They have avoid the vaccines that has proven more efficient to control the virus. Moderna and Pfizer- Never place a hefty ordr in December. They could have made the deal with Pfizer like Israel.

 

Keep dancing on this issue, the opportunity was missed to implement the right vaccines orders soon enough. may it was political motivated leaning on Chinese product to motivate Chinese tourist to come to Thailand. that is what it looks like it.

 

Now, there is a major health concern. Thai missed the window for the major push for the vaccination program..

 

May be they can  ask Joe Biden for more donation or ask him to make a deal with Pfizer in return they can treat the local US farangs  living in Thailand better .( instead of being "dirty") and improve their immigration saga.

 

Something must be done....

 

The 30,000 Americans living in Thailand are treated the same as the 300,000 Thais living in America, except for the vaccine issue, and a few other unimportant things like property ownership.

[jmccarty]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

So in your world all 700,000 health care workers were exposed to Covid?

I'm saying there is no amount of reported numbers to come up with anything matching what is reported negative or positive about the various vax.

[ChipButty]

6 minutes ago, wombat said:

 

i'd call mine a reality check

We dont need an History lesson

[whaleboneman]

3 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

I think we are all very surprised Thailand stuck with Sinovac so long, but what do we know?

I'm not surprised at all. It was probably an addendum to the submarine contract.

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Good for you, just make sure to get a booster when available and keep masking up, social distancing and keeping hands clean as if nothing has changed until then.

Thanks...the second one is scheduled for the first week of August.

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, jmccarty said:

I'm saying there is no amount of reported numbers to come up with anything matching what is reported negative or positive about the various vax.

I think the very fact they are having to administer a third, and must be different type, vaccine, says something negative about what was used initially.