AstraZeneca says Thailand only requested 3 million doses per month in initial agreement

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9 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

Here's a "what if".

What if AZ says; "this isn't ethical and we won't do it", shuts up shop and locks the doors?

Well, Siam Bioscience is not an AZ company so it can't do that. I do believe that AZ send Siam Bioscience precursors necessary to make the vaccine. So, presumably, it could do that which would have the same effect.

[Sydebolle]

Some like it hot ............. the sequel 2021 with airport builders, sleepy watch collectors and a lost general in the lead! 

[chilly07]

AZ can leak when it suits them ! Porous as No 10 Downing St!

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Well, Siam Bioscience is not an AZ company so it can't do that. I do believe that AZ send Siam Bioscience precursors necessary to make the vaccine. So, presumably, it could do that which would have the same effect.

You are right. They can just reduce the flow of inputs, which are in short supply anyway, to SBS and send them to another factory to produce for export, if the capacity is available.  Factories in developed countries can probably do this because people don't want AZ if they can get Pfizer or Moderna.  AZ can just plead shortage of raw materials.  Nothing SBS can do. 

[Rimmer]

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[ed strong]

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

There were 2 of them under clinical test talked of a few weeks ago. Now you mention it, not heard of them for a while. 

Theres no domestic vaccine production in the majority of 3rd world countries, not because they dont have the facilities but because they have to order from countries that are approved, essentially either China, European or Russian. No surprise there.

 

Thailand will gain approval once there is no real demand for the vaccines and the majority have been offloaded from the countries that are approved to manufacture them.

 

Indonesia / Bangladesh all have the facilities to produce hundreds of millions of vaccines but for some reason they dont have approval! ?

 

Its essentially a racket but money rules the world!

 

[ed strong]

Worth a watch which does make you wonder, listen to what it does and how it does it.

 

A short clip from the inventor of the PCR test.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, ed strong said:

Worth a watch which does make you wonder, listen to what it does and how it does it.

 

A short clip from the inventor of the PCR test.

 

 

Just because you're the first doesn't mean that your understanding is infallible. For example:

Albert Einsteen never accepted that one of the consequences of his theories was the existence of black holes.

 

Black Holes Were Such an Extreme Concept, Even Einstein Had His Doubts

Einstein's theory of relativity paved the way for black holes' discovery, but the concept behind their existence was so bizarre that even the scientific visionary was not convinced.

"The concept that explains black holes was so radical, in fact, that Einstein, himself, had strong misgivings. He concluded in a 1939 paper in the Annals of Mathematics that the idea was “not convincing” and the phenomena did not exist “in the real world.”

https://www.history.com/news/black-holes-albert-einstein-theory-relativity-space-time

 

In the case of PCR it centers around amplification. What Kary Mullis didn't know was that the machines used to test PCR are now calibrated against samples with known quantities of substances. So it isn't a case of just 1 molecule being amplified to give false results.

The COVID-19 PCR Test Is Reliable Despite the Commotion About Ct Values

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/covid-19-pcr-test-reliable-despite-commotion-about-ct-values

 

Once again, denialist web sources distort the facts to suit their dishonest agenda. And by the way, I believe that interview was conducted 20 or 30 years ago. So we don't know that intervening progress might have changed his mind. And since he's dead now, we never will.

 

 

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[Sweet Swede]

If you order only a fraction of what you most likely will need I think you are stupid. If AZ did not manage to get an approved Vaccine and if there were other available options in the market I would assume that the contract was not binding or is it common to sign a contract without any requirements to an order? That is not my experience. This really show that a amateur government that is an extension of a previous dictator rule is not what is needed in a pandemic. 

[MrJ2U]

8 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

It is hard to know what the throught processes were. It was public knowledge when the local AZ production was announced that Thailand had only ordered 26 million out off 200 millioin expected annual capacity and there was widespread criticism by Thais of the small order.  The SBS project was supported with a loan of taxpayers' money to build the factory and a lot of lip service but there was no meaningful support in terms of an offtake agreement for meaningful quantities relative to the size of the Thai population which meant that AZ had to pre-sell more aggressively to other Asia countries to ensure the viability for SBS. Could it be that the government wasn't that happy that Siam Cement came up with this project as they were hoping to rely on Sinovac at 3 times the price?  But clever Siam Cement came up with a project they couldn't refuse. Just wondering because not much about it makes sense.

Everything is convaluted.

Reeks of corruption.

 

Anutin said everything is going as planned.  

Im surprised he's still walking around.  There must be plenty of mourners wanting revenge for there follies.