MP launches scathing attack on Thai PM: He's lost all credibility and faith - and where are missing vaccines?

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

My GF believes they were sold on the black market and onward in Hi-So circles. 

My wife says the same, sold to the next door neighbours  

[big dendrobenaes]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

My GF believes they were sold on the black market and onward in Hi-So circles. 

most PROBABLY.....BUT who knows in this land of secrecy !!!!!

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Yup.

 

This is what happens when you legitimise military coups to disrupt the democratic process and remove elected governments.

 

Thailand has only ever paid lip service to democracy, the same old cronies are still in power albeit under a different name and with different allegiances. 

 

Now that ties with China are getting stronger we will see further erosion of democratic principles and less concern about appearances for the West.

 

We are moving rapidly backwards here, from the late 90's and early 00's Hacylon days. 

Corruption is corruption no matter what side and I hate it on all sides. Too bad for me that this is not going to change. But i still get frustrated by being lied at and how governments in Thailand seem to be able to protect themselves from their lies. YL did with the rice scam now Prayut with vaccines. They all seem to think we are stupid and the problem is that as long as they are in power they won't be held responsible.

 

I just like it a lot more when people are being held responsible for their actions and cannot hide behind being in power and frustrating openness in things. 

 

A vote for someone does not mean a green light for them to be corrupt. It also does not mean they should be able to cover up their faults even more. 

 

But you do have a good point that i cannot counter. Something is just broken in Thailand and its not only the coups. Its the wide spread corruption on both sides and the incompitence on both sides.

[Neeranam]

Do people here forget the previous PM and her corrupt activities?

 

Same old same old, people vote for the devil they know, they get in and the power goes to their head and they become corrupt. Mark my words, any replacement for Prayud will be the same. 

 

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by Neeranam

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do people here forget the previous PM and her corrupt activities?

 

Same old same old, people vote for the devil they know, they get in and the power goes to their head and they become corrupt. Mark my words, any replacement for Prayud will be the same. 

 

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

 

 

 

Indeed that is exactly the problem, whoever is in power is corrupt. Idiots like me hate this and want solutions. However there are no solutions as none of them ever really made the corruption laws better. They only changed them to get to their opponents and shield themselves. 

 

Real change has never really happened. 

[Cake Monster]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I think switching PM's now would not give them enough power. Prayut needs to mess up even more. The bad economics still have to emerge until there really is no way out anymore. Then strike. 

If there is one thing the Thai people are mad about, is that the Country has had to borrow Money already  in the fight against Covid.

All the Money borrowed they say, and we have nothing.

This is what will eventually end this cycle of stupidity.

[BobinBKK]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

But the question remains if he were to be replaced, by whom and would his replacement be any more effective in handling the pandemic?

1) I suggest putting an unbias foreigner in the PM position for the first 4 years. No one can be a past or present member of the military.

2) All cabinet members are to be chosen by the PM from the private sector only and appointed to positions of their respective expertise. No one can be a past or present member of the military with the exception of the secretary of defense.

3) All law makers representing each province are to be elected. No one can be a past or present member of the military.

4) The 13 justices of the supreme court are to be nominated by the cabinet and elected by the law makers. No one can be a past or present member of the military.

5) All lower court judges are elected in each district and must reside in their own district. No one can be a past or present member of the military.

6) All elections are held without delay every 4 years.

[edwinchester]

29 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do people here forget the previous PM and her corrupt activities?

 

Same old same old, people vote for the devil they know, they get in and the power goes to their head and they become corrupt. Mark my words, any replacement for Prayud will be the same. 

 

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

 

 

 

Clean? His Govt's were plagued by corruption as much as others.

[Phoenix Rising]

41 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do people here forget the previous PM and her corrupt activities?

 

Same old same old, people vote for the devil they know, they get in and the power goes to their head and they become corrupt. Mark my words, any replacement for Prayud will be the same. 

 

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

 

 

 

False equivalency. Corrupt elected politicians can be voted out of office. Corrupt coup makers cannot. HUGE difference.

[Salerno]

54 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

I'd hate see your definition of "dirty" if he is your definition of "clean".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuan_Leekpai

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

False equivalency. Corrupt elected politicians can be voted out of office. Corrupt coup makers cannot. HUGE difference.

True but right now the PM is no longer a coup maker and can be voted out. But voting is not about removing corrupt officials the LAW should deal with it. The problem is that those in power seem to be able to bend the law to their will and only when out of power will investigations reveal the details of their crimes.

[MayBeNow]

Prayut needs to go, and he will go, his position has become untenable, its only a matter of time. How much time remains to be seen.

 

But who after Prayut? Its not like there is a reservoir of uncorrupted talent just waiting to take charge of the country.

 

The power structures that put Prayut in charge will remain exactly the same, minus the frontman. And i do not forsee a shake up of the power structures coming (Thai-Chinese business elite, army, judiciary, and the almighty above them all.

 

Change will be mainly cosmetic.

Edited July 27, 2021 by MayBeNow

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Do people here forget the previous PM and her corrupt activities?

 

Same old same old, people vote for the devil they know, they get in and the power goes to their head and they become corrupt. Mark my words, any replacement for Prayud will be the same. 

 

In my time here, there has only been one that was clean, Chau Leekpai. 

 

 

 

Except Chuan's governments both fell due to corruption, one featuring Suthep and an illegal logging scandal. 

[mtls2005]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that 700,000 doses of vaccine were promised but frontline staff had only got 300,000. He wanted to know about the missing 400K asking whether it had gone elsewhere and if so to whom.

 

What's the dealio on this?

 

I don't recall seeing anything about it. Does anyone have any detail or background? Links. Thanks

 

Statements by the regime re: this afternoon's vaccine "plan", are often deliberately confusing, so as to obfuscate the truth.

 

So I'm not sure anything went missing, just the plan changed 15 times, resulting in a reallocation.

 

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

The point is with people like you that your not capable of changing your mind. I sure was all smiles and still am seing how the G2G deals were fake and some people ended up in jail for years. So great result. YL said no corruption no problems yet her minions ended up for years in jail and the G2G were fake. So I was quite right in saying something had to be done.

 

In previous times coups were  short. This time not so I was wrong admitted it. You however never admit when your wrong and you often are. 

 

Anyway I am not supporting this government haven't for a long time. However that does not make me a Thaksin fan. The guy and his clones were corrupt idiots too just like this government. They are all up to the same tricks. YL did her best to interfere with investigations denying that there were problems. Just like Prayut is doing now. The similarities are so striking. You just don't see it. 

 

For me it just shows that whoever will be in charge will be corrupt too will be doing the same things to keep their failures out of sight while aftakking the other side. That never changes.

 

But right now I don't really care just like back then a change is needed. Strange that you were against it back then but ok with it now. 

 

Thaksin may have been corrupt, but he was fairly competent, a smart politician, and actually accomplished stuff, unlike these tin pot soldiers, who do nothing but babble, oppress, wreak economic devastation, destroy the tourism industry and spread disease.

 

Just out of curiosity, cite just a few of their accomplishments. Can you? Can anyone? What on earth do they do with themselves all day, besides drink vintage champagne, and eat expensive meals?

[MayBeNow]

25 minutes ago, robblok said:

The problem is that those in power seem to be able to bend the law to their will and only when out of power will investigations reveal the details of their crimes.

There will never be an investigation whatsoever into how this so called pandemic was handled or mishandled, atleast not an open one. The whole powerhouse is part of the mess, not just one part of it, the tool Prayut.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Pheu Thai

Yeah, sure, they like to criticize the other.

When will that party officially declare that all (wanted) criminals should be in jail?

When will members of that party stop listing to their unofficial criminal leader?

 

If they want to criticize, fine. But they should first take a closer look at themselves.

[GrandPapillon]

well the good news is that there will a big political reset in most countries after covid,

 

Thailand will be no exception,

 

Thaksin just need to wait, and do his entrance at the right time, without spending a baht in popular votes

[brucegoniners]

I couldn't agree more.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

True but right now the PM is no longer a coup maker and can be voted out. But voting is not about removing corrupt officials the LAW should deal with it. The problem is that those in power seem to be able to bend the law to their will and only when out of power will investigations reveal the details of their crimes.

The current PM was the leader of a coup that removed elected leaders. He was, is and will always remain a coup maker even if he never leads another coup.

I assume you mean he got "legit" due to being "elected' in the last general "election". If you believe that "election", with the severe restrictions being placed on all political opponents and the stacking of the senate, was anything other than a rubber stamping exercise of his illegitimate leadership then you and I have very different opinions of what happened.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Phoenix Rising

[MayBeNow]

Am i selfish when i say i like this mess that the Thai partly created themselves? 

I know the answer, I am.

 

I like that part of the economy (tourism) has collapsed. I like that sand is being trown into the economic machinery. I like that there is some political upheaval, some unrest in society in the form of demonstrations (which will come back after covid dies down in a few months).

Thailand is getting much too prosperous for my liking. I much prefer a protracted cooldown and a minor economic collapse then a yearly 7% increase of GDP. 

I like a cheap Thailand. I have no interest in a prosperous Thailand with a well functioning Western style democratic government without being corrupt to the core. Lucky me, that will never happen.

 

If i wanted that, i would stay home in woke land.

Edited July 27, 2021 by MayBeNow

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, MayBeNow said:

Am i selfish when i say i like this mess that the Thai partly created themselves? 

I know the answer, I am.

 

I like that part of the economy (tourism) has collapsed. I like that sand is being trown into the economic machinery. I like that there is some political upheaval, some unrest in society in the form of demonstrations (which will come back after covid dies down in a few months).

Thailand is getting much too prosperous for my liking. I much prefer a protracted cooldown and a minor economic collapse then a yearly 7% increase of GDP. 

I like a cheap Thailand. I have no interest in a prosperous Thailand with a well functioning Western style democratic government without being corrupt to the core. Lucky me, that will never happen.

 

If i wanted that, i would stay home in woke land.

I hope for your sake you're being facetious. 

[Jimbo2014]

Well said sir.... and my I recommend a good store for bullet proof vests and poison test kits. ???? 

[robblok]

45 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The current PM was the leader of a coup that removed elected leaders. He was, is and will always remain a coup maker even if he never leads another coup.

I assume you mean he got "legit" due to being "elected' in the last general "election". If you believe that "election", with the severe restrictions being placed on all political opponents and the stacking of the senate, was anything other than a rubber stamping exercise of his illegitimate leadership then you and I have very different opinions of what happened.

No I don't believe the election was fair I am a future forward supporter I know what has been done. But the fact remains that now he has a majority so its semilegit.

 

I am against that senate of course and if you call him a coup maker I don't really care what he is named. I have long since wanted him gone. From before the previous election. 

[ChipButty]

55 minutes ago, MayBeNow said:

Am i selfish when i say i like this mess that the Thai partly created themselves? 

I know the answer, I am.

 

I like that part of the economy (tourism) has collapsed. I like that sand is being trown into the economic machinery. I like that there is some political upheaval, some unrest in society in the form of demonstrations (which will come back after covid dies down in a few months).

Thailand is getting much too prosperous for my liking. I much prefer a protracted cooldown and a minor economic collapse then a yearly 7% increase of GDP. 

I like a cheap Thailand. I have no interest in a prosperous Thailand with a well functioning Western style democratic government without being corrupt to the core. Lucky me, that will never happen.

 

If i wanted that, i would stay home in woke land.

Bring back corruption them were the days

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Apparently that didn't matter. There were plenty of folk on here supporting him, and plenty of local Thais also voted for his party which allowed his selection as PM at the head of a coalition government.

 

We are now seeing the effects of such poor judgement.

 

 

I believe Prayut was not "selected" per se but "elected" by majority vote of the combined House and Senate.

I recall as he did not get a constitutional majority from the House alone but, as per the junta's newly written Constitution, the Prayut junta-selected Senate members' vote is also included in the total vote tally.

So the effectiveness of Prayut's performance now is in my opinion less a reflection of mere poor judgement as it is more "inappropriate and incapable" leadership.

[ChipButty]

The vaccines have not gone missing they just never arrived, 

[bradiston]

I saw this man on TV speaking in parliament. It was really impressive. It was all in Thai, of course, but I could tell from the delivery, the body language, the absence of notes, that he knew exactly what he was talking about. It was fierce, impassioned, and thoroughly focused. A great public speaker, extremely intelligent and I would say, a very bright hope for the future. He has my vote, except I don't have one. Still I can cheer from the sidelines, can't I?

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that 700,000 doses of vaccine were promised but frontline staff had only got 300,000. He wanted to know about the missing 400K asking whether it had gone elsewhere and if so to whom

We know where the good stuff goes... 

[bkk6060]

Jeez, come on get real he and his administration are not going anywhere any time soon.

Edited July 27, 2021 by bkk6060