To suggest an amnesty is not only an admission of failure and incompetence, it is an acknowledgment of the fact that the depth of the incompetence is clearly so awful as to be criminal in nature. Prayut is determined that he and his nasty cohorts will never face the music for any of the ills that they have done to this country.

We should be hearing cries of outrage from the populace, but those of course are being silenced.

There is one hope, a future, properly elected, government, overturns these "amnesty" laws, and prosecutes the guilty.

Completely normal. Nobody ever takes responsibility here. 

1 hour ago, mickyr55 said:

Thai government NOT the hub of taking responsibility, only cowards and despots hide behind bad laws, the Thai people mostly deserve so much better. 

Do they though? 

 

I am of the opinion a country tends to deserve the leaders they get. Certainly when they have the ability to choose. 

 

Remember a lot of Thais voted for the military backed party at the last General election. 

 

Time to deal with the results of those bad choices. 

 

Hopefully this amnesty bill will push the people over the edge but I won't hold my breath. 

sameo-sameo

10 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

There is one hope, a future, properly elected, government, overturns these "amnesty" laws, and prosecutes the guilty.

I can see no chance of that for the foreseeable future. The military have tied up things so tight the only transfers of power are going to be to other uniforms. 

26 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

it is an acknowledgment of the fact that the depth of the incompetence is clearly so awful as to be criminal in nature.

 

Yes, it does have that smell, which serves as a COVID test I guess.

 

The fact that the leaked document has a "4.1" in it may also be revealing. Is it version 4.1? If so, what did the previous versions look like? Or is it batch "4" of a whole slew of amnesty categories covering everything from civil suits, to potential corruption, to criminal acts?

 

A quick scan of the ppt/pdf indicates that this provides indemnification, except in the case of gross negligence, for medical personnel as a result of their treatment of patients.

 

The next to the last slide (#7) though does seem to offer blanket protection to all government officials for anything COVID related since 2019.

 

 

 

 

 

Where we have seen similar before ..... oh yes  several years back..... from same group ????... 

Look's almost as a guilty plea .....

Edited August 9, 20214 yr by david555

"Everything is under control"

"There will be enough vaccines for everybody"

"The entire population will be fully vaccinated by September"

"We are going to vaccinate 1 million people every day"

"VIPs will receive no preferential treatment"

 

With all the above (and more!) government statements on the record, pushing for an amnesty only goes to show that certain government leaders have been LYING from the onset.

 

And frankly, only the worst banana republic governments and dictatorships in the world grant amnesties to THEMSELVES.

 

You have just joined a very questionable club, Thailand. Shame on you.

2 hours ago, Scrotobike said:

Not sure I understand - it Thaksin had passed such a law surely he would not be "guilty" now. I think you are getting confused with the Junta after the coup.

Not getting confused. They saw what happened with the previous two, learnt their lesson and are making sure the  same cannot happen to them.

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Do they though? 

 

I am of the opinion a country tends to deserve the leaders they get. Certainly when they have the ability to choose. 

 

Remember a lot of Thais voted for the military backed party at the last General election. 

 

Time to deal with the results of those bad choices. 

 

Hopefully this amnesty bill will push the people over the edge but I won't hold my breath. 

Not to mention the idiots cheering the coup along (and there were plenty on here).

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The government is planning to pass legislation that would absolve key decision-makers of any wrongdoing

I thought the Generals already had this in place to legitimise their plundering of the public purse (by illicit means)?

1 minute ago, mikebell said:

I thought the Generals already had this in place to legitimise their plundering of the public purse (by illicit means)?

That was when they were the NCPO. Now we are supposed to have forgotten about all that and things are meant to be different. 

4 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

And yet in the USA the current law absolves all vaccine manufacturers of any and all liability, even though the vaccines are only approved for emergency use and not the normal full release.

Without this protection in place, the US would not have a vaccination programme. The manufacturers and their insurers wouldn't risk a huge class action if anything went wrong 

 

Not really relevant to this issue though.

A troll post with an off topic Twitter post has been removed. 

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

And it starts. Wasn't an amnesty bill the topic which submarined Yinglucks tenure.  Pun intended by the way.

Indeed just shows more of the same.  Disgraceful. Hope someone is able to stop this

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Not to mention the idiots cheering the coup along (and there were plenty on here).

I was one of the guys cheering the coup, still like that it got rid of YL, but soon after that it became clear they did not go after their own corruption and stayed too long.

 

Anyway be it the PTP or the junta both seem to be mirroring each other, a murderer as MP or a drug dealer. Trying both to get amnesty (and successful on the part of the generals hope they are not able to do it a second time). The village funds were copied by the junta as it was so successful in gaining votes for Thaksin. 

 

YL and Prayut both seemed to think we are all stupid YL with her rice scam saying the foreign trades were real while everyone said they were not. Prayut with his lies over vaccination saying its all good while now he makes a law to protect himself.

 

I guess they see that their power is waning and worry that they might not be in the next government so need protections. Despicable.

 

Anyway I don't like either side they all are corrupt as crazy try to hide their faults all the time. 

 

Thailand deserves better but the question is is there better, i like future forward but they were hamstringed by the government. Plus even if they win they would have to have other parties to help them. None of the other parties have a good track record.

 

Sad state of affair.

 

I hope enough people go against this law as this is just stupid. Prayut took charge took all power and now he wants to protect himself. Coward.

You're kidding me.  You mean that no one will face charges of mass murder or genocide?

Anutin defends amnesty bill, says necessary to protect doctors

By Cod Satrusayang

 

 

Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul came out on Monday to defend proposed legislation that would grant amnesty to doctors and policy makers in charge of the country’s vaccination plan by saying it was necessary to give doctors ease-of-mind as they deal with the pandemic.

 

According to a leaked document secured by the Move Forward Party and released on Sunday night, the government aims on passing legislation that would exempt from criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits those that decided the country’s vaccination plan.

 

In essence that would mean that Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha and Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul, as well as the doctors that advised them, would be exempt from any future prosecution.

 

Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/31014/anutin-defends-amnesty-bill-says-necessary-to-protect-doctors/

 

-- © Copyright Thai Enquirer 2021-08-09

 

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The longer I live here, the more I ask myself if this is really a country I want my child to grow up in. 

Infuriating! Months of mismanagement, daily lies about vaccine procurements, pushing a drug that seems to be substandard and generally playing with people's lives and their livelihoods and now they're trying to walk away Scott free!! ???? 

 

39 minutes ago, madmitch said:

Without this protection in place, the US would not have a vaccination programme. The manufacturers and their insurers wouldn't risk a huge class action if anything went wrong 

 

Not really relevant to this issue though.

Yes it is very relevant.  It is another example of how people and agencies and companies are NOT being held responsible

4 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

Surely this in itself is an admission of guilt and culpability ? 

In the best light, it should be considered an Alford (only available in USA) plea.

This guy just takes the price. Sounds like he is trying to convince the people he is not included in the amnesty. As another option, it can be so bad that he do not understand that is what people react on.

It is par for the course, for these retrograde criminals to do what they can to cover their +++++, and protect each other. That is just who they are, and what they do. One can only hope that at some point, they are held responsible for the myriad of crimes they have likely committed during their reign of economic terror.

 

The people have to make a statement, the people have to remove the 250 crony senators, and the people have to find a way to turn this nation around, and drag it back from the stone age of dinosaur leadership. 

Prayuth, Pratin, Anutin, Phiphat, and the mafia chief Prompow must go. These guys are toxic, corrosive, corrupt, ineffective, incompetent, untrustworthy, very bad for the nation, and virtually assure a rotten future for the nation, a drop to 75th place in GDP, and increasing irrelevance. They have already turned Thailand from the tiger of SE Asia, to a whiny, anemic alley cat, barely clutching to it's own life. 

Things have changed so dramatically in the past few years, and especially since the Covid failures here. I do not think anything applies from the past, anymore. I have never seen the Thai people so angry, disappointed, frustrated, hungry, disenfranchised and scared. When this disease passes, the fools are gone, baby gone. Like the wind. There will be no holding the people back. No tanks, no soldiers, no guns. Nothing will prevent a positive change from happening.

Power to the youth! VICTORY to the youth! May the dinosaurs be exorcised from Thailand! 

Anuthin, who appropriately is nicknamed Noo (Rat) is heir to a major construction company fortune. His family's company, Sino-Thai Engineering and Construction PCL, built several government mega-projects such as Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi Airport. An engineer, Anuthin served as president of Sino-Thai.

 

His has over the years been a member of many political parties such as the National Development Party, Thai Rak Thai Party and as leader of the Bhumjaithai Party.  This man is a self serving rat who flip flops from red to yellow as and when it suits him and his cronies.

 

JAF

5 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

Surely this in itself is an admission of guilt and culpability ? 

Of course it is, you don't need an 'amnesty' if you're not guilty of something.

 

24 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Things have changed so dramatically in the past few years, and especially since the Covid failures here. I do not think anything applies from the past, anymore. I have never seen the Thai people so angry, disappointed, frustrated, hungry, disenfranchised and scared. When this disease passes, the fools are gone, baby gone. Like the wind. There will be no holding the people back. No tanks, no soldiers, no guns. Nothing will prevent a positive change from happening.

Power to the youth! VICTORY to the youth! May the dinosaurs be exorcised from Thailand! 

Sadly, its always been this way and its not likely to ever change as its the very nature of thai people to shift sides as and when its most convenient.  The youth leaders of today are not so different to the leaders of yesteryear and in the future, they will all wet their beaks in the same dirty trough when the time is right. There are no more heroes in Thailand..... 4 legs good, 2 legs bad...... all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

 

 

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Reading all that above, I would like to remind anyone old enough to remember "the streak". - I said don't look Ethel.

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul came out on Monday to defend proposed legislation that would grant amnesty to doctors and policy makers in charge of the country’s vaccination plan by saying it was necessary to give doctors ease-of-mind as they deal with the pandemic.

yeah right 

Setting things up so that the door doesn't smack 'em in the bum on the way out. A whole lot easier than governing properly.