It’s too funny. All this <deleted> and that curve would have looked exactly the same if we did nothing. 
 

Time will tell us the truth. 
 

The problem as I see it, in the absence of knowledge you do nothing. And we do seem to know nothing about covid. We haven’t the slightest clue why it’s doing what it’s doing. When you don’t understand the variables of what is going on around you, do nothing. Otherwise you are like a Martian on earth wanting to pour gas or water on the fire, and you choose the gasoline because you don’t have knowledge about the variables. 

13 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

It’s too funny. All this <deleted> and that curve would have looked exactly the same if we did nothing. 
 

Time will tell us the truth. 
 

The problem as I see it, in the absence of knowledge you do nothing. And we do seem to know nothing about covid. We haven’t the slightest clue why it’s doing what it’s doing. When you don’t understand the variables of what is going on around you, do nothing. Otherwise you are like a Martian on earth wanting to pour gas or water on the fire, and you choose the gasoline because you don’t have knowledge about the variables. 

 

"Doc, I can't tell whether I've broken my ankle or just sprained it."

"Then do nothing."

 

Thailand has failed to adequately address the disproportionate impact of COVID-19 on the economic, social and cultural rights of marginalized persons

Thailand must ensure that its responses to the COVID-19 pandemic comply with the international human rights law protections for economic, social and cultural rights, the ICJ said in a new briefing paper published today.

 

https://www.icj.org/thailand-has-failed-to-adequately-address-the-disproportionate-impact-of-covid-19-on-the-economic-social-and-cultural-rights-of-marginalized-persons/

Toddlers must also be jabbed to boost herd immunity, advises virologist

 

Chulalongkorn University’s virology specialist Dr Yong Poovorawan on Wednesday suggested that Covid-19 jabs be provided to children aged three and above in a bid to create herd immunity.

"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005294

 

A subcommittee of the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) met today to review the pandemic situation and consider a proposal to ease some lockdown restrictions. This will now be put to the main CCSA meeting tomorrow #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430764360494850048

 

 

46 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Thailand has failed to adequately address the disproportionate impact of COVID-19 on the economic, social and cultural rights of marginalized persons

Thailand must ensure that its responses to the COVID-19 pandemic comply with the international human rights law protections for economic, social and cultural rights, the ICJ said in a new briefing paper published today.

 

https://www.icj.org/thailand-has-failed-to-adequately-address-the-disproportionate-impact-of-covid-19-on-the-economic-social-and-cultural-rights-of-marginalized-persons/

Marginalized persons, well hell thats the whole fricking nation at this point in time.

Workers Need More COVID Vaccinations

 

BANGKOK, Aug 25 (TNA) – The Thai Chamber of Commerce sought more COVID-19 vaccine doses from the government to cover all workers in the manufacturing sector to protect the economy.

 

Poj Aramwattananont, vice chairman of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, said that COVID-19 vaccine provision should cover not only workers under Section 33 of the Social Security Act but also 1.3 million workers outside the social security system for the protection of workers in all manufacturing groups. The reopening of the country and COVID-19 control required vaccinations for workers in all sectors, he said.

Ongoing vaccine supplies were insufficient and could worsen labor shortage and affect production for export and local consumption, Mr. Poj said.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-766208

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office is reporting 973 new cases today and 15 more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (234), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (151), and Si Racha (251). There are now 18,228 patients in care

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430686819985739783

 

Further details:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/26/chonburi-reports-973-new-covid-19-cases-with-15-deaths-1672-people-recovered/

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

It’s too funny. All this <deleted> and that curve would have looked exactly the same if we did nothing. 
 

Time will tell us the truth. 
 

The problem as I see it, in the absence of knowledge you do nothing. And we do seem to know nothing about covid. We haven’t the slightest clue why it’s doing what it’s doing. When you don’t understand the variables of what is going on around you, do nothing. Otherwise you are like a Martian on earth wanting to pour gas or water on the fire, and you choose the gasoline because you don’t have knowledge about the variables. 

Well people who are unvaccinated in the USA make up most of the deaths so I guess we know that vaccinations help against death if infected with covid-19. How did they make the vaccines? Guess they knew something about Sars-CoV-2. They know it's an RNA virus and know the moleculular structure. They know that's it's a blood disease which attacks the respiratory system but also can effect other parts of the body. They know that it can be both symptomatic and asymptomatic. They know that it is possible to get long covid post infection. They know that Delta or B.617.2 is highly contagious, much more than previous variants. They know there are and have been different variants. I guess saying we seem to no nothing about covid might not be the case.

One Phuket fresh market closes over COVID concerns, as another market reopens

 

PHUKET: The busy fresh market at Baan Lipon, located near the Khao Lan Intersection on Thepkrasattri Rd in Tambon Thepkrasattri, has been ordered closed until at least next Thursday (Sept 2) amid concerns of an outbreak of COVID-19 infections there.

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/one-phuket-fresh-market-closes-over-covid-concerns-as-another-market-reopens-81188.php

 

Today there were 229 deaths in #Thailand

 

127 males & 102 females

Burma (1), China (2), Taiwan (1), Singapore (1)

12 year old (pineal gland cancer)

Median age 65 (12-97 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (71)

66% of deaths aged 60+ (in BKK 75%)

1 died at home

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430770195585376258

 

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by anchadian

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

One Phuket fresh market closes over COVID concerns, as another market reopens

 

PHUKET: The busy fresh market at Baan Lipon, located near the Khao Lan Intersection on Thepkrasattri Rd in Tambon Thepkrasattri, has been ordered closed until at least next Thursday (Sept 2) amid concerns of an outbreak of COVID-19 infections there.

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/one-phuket-fresh-market-closes-over-covid-concerns-as-another-market-reopens-81188.php

 

They're playing Wac-a-mole in Phuket, that didn't work out well for Bangkok at the start of this pandemic.

Of the 18,350 cases in the general Thai population, the highest numbers were 4,178 in Bangkok followed by 1,887 in Samut Prakan, 982 in Samut Sakhon, 973 in Chonburi, 693 in Nakhon Ratchasima, 504 in Nonthaburi, 493 in Ratchaburi and 472 in Rayong.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1430770682606985222

 

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Toddlers must also be jabbed to boost herd immunity, advises virologist

 

Chulalongkorn University’s virology specialist Dr Yong Poovorawan on Wednesday suggested that Covid-19 jabs be provided to children aged three and above in a bid to create herd immunity.

"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005294

 

Very interesting. Again with the herd immunity and then this....

"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," I'm a bit confused by the English in this sentence but I think it means they should be vaccinated. Anyhow this is interesting.....

 

Babies and toddlers are less likely to bring the coronavirus into their homes than teenagers are, but once they are infected, they are more likely to spread the virus to others in their households, according to a large new study by a Canadian public health agency.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/health/covid-kids-toddlers-transmission.html

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by dinsdale

A total of 28.8 million Covid vaccines were administered between February 28 - August 25, including 21.7 million first doses, 6.6 million second doses and 568,840 third-booster shots.

 

More than 637,000 people were vaccinated yesterday. #โควิด19 #วัคซีนโควิด #Thailand #Covid19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1430771277715755011

 

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by anchadian

18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Marginalized persons, well hell thats the whole fricking nation at this point in time.

I gave this the laughing emoji because i instantly thought of bubble and seal. Some people given one meal a day. Water scarcity. Terrible conditions. Zero human rights.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by dinsdale

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The famous Yogi Berra quip about predictions (Predictions are difficult, especially about the future) might not always hold true.

 

Given the fact it looks as if boosters---at least one and perhaps yearly---will be necessary, Covid and Thailand are unlikely to have begun their final breakup.

 

As it is, vaccine supplies on order to Thailand leave a gap from mid October until December, so a good portion of the population will remain un-vaxxed. Second, many of the vaxxes in Thailand are Sinovac, which research shows (another poster above put a very recent study) is the worst against Delta and breakthrough infections. Third, if boosters are necessary, Thailand will be standing in line again, as countries with lots of doses will take care of their own people before donating/selling to Thailand.

 

Thus, I suspect even if there is a relaxation of Covid closure measures, they will be back again by year end, and likely next year, too, as the vaxxed Thais begin to lose their immunity as the effects of administered vaxxes wane, and boosters are not yet available.

I would think this may well turn out to be the case.

Scotland had over 5000 cases yesterday, one of the highest ever, and all the wrong metrics are beginning to show upturns, all over the UK, as schools return.

UK booster campaign starting in September as well.

Anyone thinking 'party time' is coming back to Thailand anytime soon is sadly misguided.

 

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

It’s too funny. All this <deleted> and that curve would have looked exactly the same if we did nothing. 
 

Time will tell us the truth. 
 

The problem as I see it, in the absence of knowledge you do nothing. And we do seem to know nothing about covid. We haven’t the slightest clue why it’s doing what it’s doing. When you don’t understand the variables of what is going on around you, do nothing. Otherwise you are like a Martian on earth wanting to pour gas or water on the fire, and you choose the gasoline because you don’t have knowledge about the variables. 

Time's up.

 

In many ways, they know precisely how the virus works down to the atomic level of its spike and how it infects cells. They can even redesign proprietary spikes, that's how Pfizer and Moderna achieve their superior effectiveness, not because it's mRNA.

 

Had Thai authorities sought quality vaccines in the beginning, that curve would have been much, much smaller.

14 minutes ago, anchadian said:

A total of 28.8 million Covid vaccines were administered between February 28 - August 25, including 21.7 million first doses, 6.6 million second doses and 568,840 third-booster shots.

 

More than 637,000 people were vaccinated yesterday. #โควิด19 #วัคซีนโควิด #Thailand #Covid19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1430771277715755011

 

National Vaccination Rollout:

 

DAY 74: 651,606

DAY 75: 609,435

DAY 76: 404,078 <— Saturday

DAY 77: 206,820 <— Sunday

DAY 78: 573,446

DAY 79: 585,214

DAY 80: 637,921

TOTAL: 28,835,580 doses since 28 February

8.4% of the population is fully vaccinated

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430774760489639943

 

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

It’s too funny. All this <deleted> and that curve would have looked exactly the same if we did nothing. 
 

Time will tell us the truth. 
 

The problem as I see it, in the absence of knowledge you do nothing. And we do seem to know nothing about covid. We haven’t the slightest clue why it’s doing what it’s doing. When you don’t understand the variables of what is going on around you, do nothing. Otherwise you are like a Martian on earth wanting to pour gas or water on the fire, and you choose the gasoline because you don’t have knowledge about the variables. 

i'm with you to some extent.  i think the lockdowns are given too much credit for the 'success' of bringing the numbers down (cases/deaths).  but it does seem like some type of restrictions are needed, office workers as an example, filling up office towers with people in major cities doesn't seem like a good idea.  restaurants should remain open with limited capacity seating.  some countries can manage this type of 'very limited lockdown' better than others.  i think the damage being done to the children will show up soon enough and will be far worse than people expect.  i sure hope i'm wrong on that one.

 

i've also always wondered why one can't travel from a 'red zone' to another 'red zone'.  last winter, why not have flights btwn the USA and the UK for example.  both had huge infection rates.  would it really make a difference if thousands of people flew btwn the two countries each day ?   i understand why western australia does not want anyone from new south wales rolling into town right now.

 

there are lots of things to say on the matter but again i don't think the lockdowns have saved as many lives as the 'experts' often tout and the curve comes down, lockdown or no lockdown.

 

 

45 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Toddlers must also be jabbed to boost herd immunity, advises virologist

 

Chulalongkorn University’s virology specialist Dr Yong Poovorawan on Wednesday suggested that Covid-19 jabs be provided to children aged three and above in a bid to create herd immunity.

"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005294

 

I thought that you can still be infected by, and transmit (i.e. carry), the virus even when vaccinated (albeit you're less likely to get serious symptoms yourself).

 

Yet here a virus specialist argues for the vaccination of this group because "they should not be virus carriers" ... inferring one is not a carrier if vaccinated.

7 minutes ago, law ling said:

I thought that you can still be infected by, and transmit (i.e. carry), the virus even when vaccinated (albeit you're less likely to get serious symptoms yourself).

 

Yet here a virus specialist argues for the vaccination of this group because "they should not be virus carriers" ... inferring one is not a carrier if vaccinated.

Surely you know that once vaccinated the likelihood of you passing it to others "if" you get infected again decreases dramatically. 

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

Just a month ago, there were 86,045 #COVID19 patients in hospitals. Now there are only 25,654, which frees up beds for non-covid people who really need it. The majority of people (79,395) are doing self isolation either in their home or community. Looking good #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1430697333843537920

 

Yes, to good to be true.

What seems obvious to me is that this government in their desperation will do anything to save their covid face - they boxed themselves into a corner with no way out except by deception and lies.

 

They are still buying Chinese vaccines that they know are compromised with delta and have issue over endurance. In an effort to improve that situation they opted to now only administer one dose and boost it with a vaccine that actually works justifying this with some unsupported claim that this mix works just as well as 2x shot of AZ - an act of desperation IMO

 

Now we have a situation of reduced PCR testing by 40% from a level that was a joke in the first place and now claiming that infection numbers are dropping, they also introduce highly suspect rapid tests and pushed those positives into the homes and out of sight and data.

 

They have pushed so called recovered out of hospital care and into the homes were they are given a bag of pills and told to isolate, again gone from any data.

 

While also claiming the vaccine rollout is now a massive success story and the whole country will be fully vaccinated in 3 months disregarding the fact that a substantial number will have recieved a vaccine that is highly suspect and will have run out of effectivity very soon and will require a do-over.

 

The result now is claiming some sort of premature victory and justifying relaxing of retrictions in an effort to keep the masses quiet and happy - yippie. 

 

Promises of tourists arriving on-mass in 4 weeks time.

 

It's all good - right ?

 

 

Surely with 50k limit tests and 18-20k positives a day, Thailand has to be one of the highest positive rates on the planet with 40% positive outcomes ? 

Each province's daily domestic COVID-19 cases update in Thailand on Thursday day

Total: 18, 305

 

https://twitter.com/NBTWORLDNews/status/1430784501429399556

5 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Yes, to good to be true.

Not really. They just shifted out 10's of thousands who 'probably' didn't need to be in hospital but still need some care or medication and called them recovered.

Urgent call for blood donations as Thai hospitals face critical shortage

The Thai Red Cross Society is beseeching the public to donate blood urgently, saying that the country’s hospitals are experiencing a critical shortage of blood reserves for patients, forcing the postponement of many vital surgeries.

 

Assoc. Prof. Dr. Dutjai Chaivanichsiri, director of the National Blood Centre of the Thai Red Cross Society, said today (Thursday) that the COVID-19 pandemic has caused a substantial drop in blood donations, adding that there has been a shortage of donated blood for some time, but the situation has recently become critical.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/urgent-call-for-blood-donations-as-thai-hospitals-face-critical-shortage/

Relatives shun baby boy of parents hospitalised with Covid

 

A child under two years old, whose parents are infected with Covid-19, could not find any caregivers among relatives despite testing negative.

On Wednesday, a rescue team in Nakhon Ratchasima province took two infected persons -- the baby's mother and her cousin -- to Suranaree University of Technology Hospital.

Both had contracted the virus from the woman’s husband, who had been admitted to the same hospital on Monday.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005299

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

They're playing Wac-a-mole in Phuket, that didn't work out well for Bangkok at the start of this pandemic.

Chasing the cases instead of getting out ahead and in front by doing mass testing as we discussed back in April for here in Bangkok.  Looks like they have not learned a damned thing except how to continue to be reactive and hide the cases by playing Bubble and seal.  You have to give them credit, no matter how badly they are doing at trying to contain or eradicate the issues, they just keep on bumbling along like the keystone cops, always one step behind.