5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

 As of yesterday Udon Thani's cases had gone from below 100 two days ago to over 200, effectively doubling in two days time.  Lets see what todays provincial numbers show.

Back to just over 100. Panic over. 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Relatives shun baby boy of parents hospitalised with Covid

 

A child under two years old, whose parents are infected with Covid-19, could not find any caregivers among relatives despite testing negative.

On Wednesday, a rescue team in Nakhon Ratchasima province took two infected persons -- the baby's mother and her cousin -- to Suranaree University of Technology Hospital.

Both had contracted the virus from the woman’s husband, who had been admitted to the same hospital on Monday.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005299

Cruel and a true failure to understand the nature of the virus and infection.  These are the same people who more than likely believed Anutin when he called foreigners dirty...easily manipulated into believing false truths and misinformation.

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Back to just over 100. Panic over. 

Wow again, a drop downward which I like to see, but again that's the porpoise effect as I have been saying, up, down, up, down, up, down, lets keep watching it, it is like a heartbeat.  Thanks for beating me to the posting as I was just about to mention it.

11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Chasing the cases instead of getting out ahead and in front by doing mass testing as we discussed back in April for here in Bangkok.  Looks like they have not learned a damned thing except how to continue to be reactive and hide the cases by playing Bubble and seal.  You have to give them credit, no matter how badly they are doing at trying to contain or eradicate the issues, they just keep on bumbling along like the keystone cops, always one step behind.

Its a good tester for the Chinese vaccines which was the main brand used, the majority of people who had AZ have not had the second dose yet.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a good tester for the Chinese vaccines which was the main brand used, the majority of people who had AZ have not had the second dose yet.

Would be a good case study then to see, waiting on the peer reviewed paper published by the Thai MOPH, we can call it the "Phuket Chronicles - The story of a virus amidst a SandBox".

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

A subcommittee of the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) met today to review the pandemic situation and consider a proposal to ease some lockdown restrictions. This will now be put to the main CCSA meeting tomorrow #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430764360494850048

 

 

Local media reporting that proposals being put to the big CCSA meeting on Friday include allowing indoor restaurants to re-open for 50% occupancy and outdoor restaurants with 75%. We could also see parks and sports fields re-open. However, curfew is expected to stay #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430803286500667404

 

4 minutes ago, GStewart70 said:

Brian i think the evidence on this is changing. This is why they believe herd immunity maybe impossible.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

Yes agreed, I've read similar but at least high vaccination rates will keep deaths to a minimum and serious illness down as much as possible.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Bkk Brian

17 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Local media reporting that proposals being put to the big CCSA meeting on Friday include allowing indoor restaurants to re-open for 50% occupancy and outdoor restaurants with 75%. We could also see parks and sports fields re-open. However, curfew is expected to stay #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1430803286500667404

 

Re-opening restaurants and parks is certainly a start! Hopefully, schools next. ????

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Re-opening restaurants and parks is certainly a start! Hopefully, schools next. ????

 

????

 

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some people here are posting that the official numbers underestimate the number of infections, which is true. There isn’t enough testing ™️ .

 

but, the real question is if the number of infections is increasing or decreasing, on a daily basis.

 

My sense is, based on anecdotal evidence, that the epidemic is decreasing in intensity. 
 

What do you think?

I very much think that it is decreasing.  Not because I believe the numbers so much but most of asia is seeing the same phenomenon.  

 

I am no doctor nor any kind of expert.  IT's just how I feel.  

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Re-opening restaurants and parks is certainly a start! Hopefully, schools next. ????

Schools should only be reopened when all the teachers have been vaccinated for at least a month with the second jab. Those at my daughter's village school have not yet got even their first shot and I would not be happy sending her back to school at all.

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Re-opening restaurants and parks is certainly a start! Hopefully, schools next. ????

Questions about schools. Would you send an unvaccinated child to school if your family was also unvaccinated? What about teachers? Should all teachers be double vaccinated?  The vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus. It will happen again. They will open schools and there will be outbreaks. Previous variants were easier to control if done properly but this is the wildfire variant. 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand on Thursday (August 26) reported 18,501 new COVID-19 cases, 20,606 recoveries and 229 additional deaths over the past 24 hours.

We here of all these hotspots, factory infections and closures due to contamination, more and more at home in self isolation yet the daily numbers are slowly dropping, while recoveries are rising?

Something doesn't add up, if recoveries are daily topping infections why are many having to isolate at home instead of being treated at home.

And don't tell me they're just minor symptoms, friends of mine from a local factory were isolated and treated at home, one of them a 36 year old passed away at home.

Seven in 10 children and young people reported poorer mental health due to the impact of COVID-19 on their lives in a 2020 UNICEF-led survey in Thailand. Following school closures, more than half said they were worried about their studies, and future education and employment.

 

 

https://www.unicef.org/thailand/press-releases/first-day-school-indefinitely-postponed-140-million-first-time-students-around-world

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Questions about schools. Would you send an unvaccinated child to school if your family was also unvaccinated? What about teachers? Should all teachers be double vaccinated?  The vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus. It will happen again. They will open schools and there will be outbreaks. Previous variants were easier to control if done properly but this is the wildfire variant. 

Spot on....my Thai wife has had 2 shots but I'm not due the second AZ until Sept 20th. The way any bug goes around the kids at school no way is my daughter back to school until at least the end of October.

Not enough is said about one's own personal health and our own responsibility to aid out own ability to combat this and myriad other flu type and other viruses - we can encourage a robust immune response to viruses with effective balanced diets, a good weight and simple exercise. Vaccines aside, and some have proven a wonderful tool for protecting (from more serious complications) the aged and those with serious other health issues, the natural body needs exposure and to be allowed o develop immune responses - I recently attended a seminar that delineated the robust reaction a healthy body has to this novo virus, so this virus entrenches itself amongst us in perpetuity, personal responsibility for personal fitness and health is paramount. Especially considering that these types of flu family viruses have infinite capacity to mutate, not always increasing malignancy, though could deplete vaccine efficacy.

 

None of this published data, bereft of context and veracity, elucidates the true nature of this now ever present condition because it's simply impossible to successfully log rates. In UK for example, approximately 500 000 were tested to detect 25 000 cases - I read that Thailand detected 20 000 cases from 50 000 tests - the ratio is important here.  

 

Having lived around SE Asia for most of my life, I certainly hope governments use a wider lens and ensure that this is now managed better so that everything else is not neglected in a one-issue battle that can never be won. Even Australia is  now reaching that conclusion. 

Iguess that positives from ATKs will fall once they start importing the fake ATK tests from Lepu in China, as they reportedly had an unacceptable rate of false negatives which led them to be banned by the US FDA.  I note that the importer that won the bid has only 5 million registered capital which may not be paid up and no corporate website but set up a dedicated website for these kits with hardly any information on it.  The company shares an address in a residential neighourhood with another one product company that markets a pet deodoriser product.  It is said in reports to be affiliated with a listed real estate developer that makes losses year after year but is not mentioned as an affiliate in that company's filings.  I wonder what qualifications and experience are needed to win tenders from GPO.  If bidders have no capital or assets, it will be hard to sue them for non-performance, if something goes wrong.

Mass screening in four villages conducted in Nan after 1 infects 23 with COVID

An asymptomatic COVID-19 patient, who returned to his hometown in Wiang Sa District of Thailand’s northern province of Nan from a COVID-19 “dark red” zone without isolating or notifying authorities, has spread the disease to at least 23 people in his community and put more than 300 other people at risk.

 

Dr. Warinthep Chuasamran, the Nan provincial health chief, said that among the 23 people who tested positive for COVID-19 are 11 young children at a care centre in Soeng sub-district, including a four-month baby, and an 80-year old man.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/mass-screening-in-four-villages-conducted-in-nan-after-1-infects-23-with-covid/

Number of waiting-list for hospital beds significantly drop over the past three weeks

 

The amount of Covid patients who are waiting for hospital beds has significantly dropped over the past three weeks, the Ministry of Public Health said on Thursday.  

 

“The numbers of patients with mild, moderate and severe symptoms who are waiting have clearly reduced after the launched of the home isolation and the community isolation programs,” said Dr Somsak Akksilp, Director-General of the Department of Medical Services (DMS).

 

There were 39 registered Covid patients waiting for a hospital bed on August 25 compared to nearly 7,000 on May 31.

 

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/31829/number-of-waiting-list-for-hospital-beds-significantly-drop-over-the-past-three-weeks/

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by anchadian

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Surely you know that once vaccinated the likelihood of you passing it to others "if" you get infected again decreases dramatically. 

Unfortunately it seems that opposite might be true.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/

 

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

57 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Questions about schools. Would you send an unvaccinated child to school if your family was also unvaccinated? What about teachers? Should all teachers be double vaccinated?  The vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus. It will happen again. They will open schools and there will be outbreaks. Previous variants were easier to control if done properly but this is the wildfire variant. 

Yes to all the above. But let's not go through this again.

56 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Spot on....my Thai wife has had 2 shots but I'm not due the second AZ until Sept 20th. The way any bug goes around the kids at school no way is my daughter back to school until at least the end of October.

And I totally respect your choice. I'm due my 2nd AZ in mid-October but my wife is still unvaccinated (not for want of trying!). However, I am happy (very happy, as he's been learning online since April and it really doesn't work for a class of 22 6-year-olds) to send my kid to school if they reopen before October. 

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by brewsterbudgen

14 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Number of waiting-list for hospital beds significantly drop over the past three weeks

 

The amount of Covid patients who are waiting for hospital beds has significantly dropped over the past three weeks, the Ministry of Public Health said on Thursday.  

 

“The numbers of patients with mild, moderate and severe symptoms who are waiting have clearly reduced after the launched of the home isolation and the community isolation programs,” said Dr Somsak Akksilp, Director-General of the Department of Medical Services (DMS).

 

There were 39 registered Covid patients waiting for a hospital bed on August 25 compared to nearly 7,000 on May 31.

 

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/31829/number-of-waiting-list-for-hospital-beds-significantly-drop-over-the-past-three-weeks/

That's a true positive.

17 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

Unfortunately it seems that opposite might be true.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/

 

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

Yes I certainly accept that and its not good but as mentioned earlier, if the children are vaccinated then they have less risk of being infected and so the possibility of then passing the virus in is reduced. Perhaps I should have quantified that before, as it looks like I was mistaken according to latest studies.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Bkk Brian

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

That's a true positive.

A good bench mark for this will be having less dying at home and eventually zero dying at home.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A good bench mark for this will be having less dying at home and eventually zero dying at home.

Lets hope that the true numbers for the death metric is continued to be posted, whether at home or in the hospital, one has to wonder with just an ATK test being positive, if passing at home they will continue to classify this as death in the sense we know they are.  However, there are many that say unless a PCR test and confirmation has been done then the death will just be another one classified as a unknown cause.

1 hour ago, Harry Black said:

Seven in 10 children and young people reported poorer mental health due to the impact of COVID-19 on their lives in a 2020 UNICEF-led survey in Thailand. Following school closures, more than half said they were worried about their studies, and future education and employment.

 

 

https://www.unicef.org/thailand/press-releases/first-day-school-indefinitely-postponed-140-million-first-time-students-around-world

@ Salerno, I saw you posted a laughing emoji on this post about children's mental health.  I'm sorry, whats funny about it?

1 hour ago, Harry Black said:

Seven in 10 children and young people reported poorer mental health due to the impact of COVID-19 on their lives in a 2020 UNICEF-led survey in Thailand. Following school closures, more than half said they were worried about their studies, and future education and employment.

 

 

https://www.unicef.org/thailand/press-releases/first-day-school-indefinitely-postponed-140-million-first-time-students-around-world

I'm sure they would also be worried and in poorer mental health if they brought the virus back home to infect their own family. Its a catch 22 until we have vaccination rates up, we all have to wait unfortunately. More than 5,000 children have lost parents in Thailand so far.

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I certainly accept that and its not good but as mentioned earlier, if the children are vaccinated then they have less risk of being infected and so the possibility of then passing the virus in is reduced. Perhaps I should have quantified that before, as it looks like I was mistaken according to latest studies.

Still have a 20-30% chance of contracting Sars-CoV-2 and a higher chance than that if the kids get jabbed with sinovac x 2 as studies are now showing. It is true that the chance of kids becoming seriously ill or dying is still low but as we see on here it does happen. There is also long covid in the mix. This is an interesting article ....

Experts say Delta variant spread among Australian children is concerning in absence of Covid vaccine

With data showing children can be vulnerable to long Covid, a former AMA president says the lack of an approved vaccine for the young is troubling

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/experts-say-delta-variant-spread-among-australian-children-is-concerning-in-absence-of-covid-vaccine

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm sure they would also be worried and in poorer mental health if they brought the virus back home to infect their own family. Its a catch 22 until we have vaccination rates up, we all have to wait unfortunately. More than 5,000 children have lost parents in Thailand so far.

Fair point, but these children are still interacting with other kids, I'm just looking out my window and can see a group of 5 or 6 playing on their bikes together. Can still infect their family, better to have them learning IMHO.