2 minutes ago, Harry Black said:

Fair point, but these children are still interacting with other kids, I'm just looking out my window and can see a group of 5 or 6 playing on their bikes together. Can still infect their family, better to have them learning IMHO.

Thats also a fair point but an overall policy decision needs to be taken on previous evidence of transmission and there is plenty of that at schools.

55 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Iguess that positives from ATKs will fall once they start importing the fake ATK tests from Lepu in China, as they reportedly had an unacceptable rate of false negatives which led them to be banned by the US FDA.  I note that the importer that won the bid has only 5 million registered capital which may not be paid up and no corporate website but set up a dedicated website for these kits with hardly any information on it.  The company shares an address in a residential neighourhood with another one product company that markets a pet deodoriser product.  It is said in reports to be affiliated with a listed real estate developer that makes losses year after year but is not mentioned as an affiliate in that company's filings.  I wonder what qualifications and experience are needed to win tenders from GPO.  If bidders have no capital or assets, it will be hard to sue them for non-performance, if something goes wrong.

Seems like they're taking lessons from the UK Conservative Govt in handing out covid related contracts.

5 minutes ago, Harry Black said:

Fair point, but these children are still interacting with other kids, I'm just looking out my window and can see a group of 5 or 6 playing on their bikes together. Can still infect their family, better to have them learning IMHO.

Yep. Children can spread this to each other playing together and take it home. Just needs 1 kid to be positive. No better place for this to happen than schools. Temperature checks and alcohol washes just aren't effective. The major form of transmission for Delta is inhalation of an infected person's breath. Kids will not keep masks on all day and many will not wear them properly to start with. Australia is now talking about 80% vaccination of the populatoin including children whereas currently it's 70-80% adults. 

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. Children can spread this to each other playing together and take it home. Just needs 1 kid to be positive. No better place for this to happen than schools. Temperature checks and alcohol washes just aren't effective. The major form of transmission for Delta is inhalation of an infected person's breath. Kids will not keep masks on all day and many will not wear them properly to start with. Australia is now talking about 80% vaccination of the populatoin including children whereas currently it's 70-80% adults. 

My children go to a school that have used very stringent covid protocols and policed/enforced by the staff. Couple that with small class sizes that ensure good social distancing and rigorous cleaning then I would be happy to send my kids to school. All teachers have been double jabbed.

2 minutes ago, Harry Black said:

My children go to a school that have used very stringent covid protocols and policed/enforced by the staff. Couple that with small class sizes that ensure good social distancing and rigorous cleaning then I would be happy to send my kids to school. All teachers have been double jabbed.

That's good but do you think all schools are like this

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. Children can spread this to each other playing together and take it home.

 

How does that fit in with germ theory? Normally it takes a viral load to transmit a virus, which means they have symptoms. Kids immune systems are so strong that infections just bounce off them.

 

I agree that kids should be back at school. Their risk from Covid is so low it is not worth considering. Life has to go on.

2 minutes ago, Harry Black said:

My children go to a school that have used very stringent covid protocols and policed/enforced by the staff. Couple that with small class sizes that ensure good social distancing and rigorous cleaning then I would be happy to send my kids to school. All teachers have been double jabbed.

In Thailand?

Just now, Harry Black said:

My children go to a school that have used very stringent covid protocols and policed/enforced by the staff. Couple that with small class sizes that ensure good social distancing and rigorous cleaning then I would be happy to send my kids to school. All teachers have been double jabbed.

That is the minimum standard expected and if met should allow the children to return to school. It’s probably more than is happening now when they are out playing or huddled round a telephone playing games. 
 

Cant keep them wrapped up in cotton wool forever in cases mummy’s little soldier gets a runny nose. 
 

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

That's good but do you think all schools are like this

Definitely not, but the ones that are should not be held back.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

In Thailand?

Yes.

1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker66 said:

 

How does that fit in with germ theory? Normally it takes a viral load to transmit a virus, which means they have symptoms. Kids immune systems are so strong that infections just bounce off them.

 

I agree that kids should be back at school. Their risk from Covid is so low it is not worth considering. Life has to go on.

You can have a virul load and be symptomatic, pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic with Sars-CoV-2. Children around the world are being infected.

 

In NSW, more than 2,700 cases have been in people aged 19 and under, accounting for 30% of infections. Of the 633 cases announced on Wednesday, 63 were in kids aged nine and under, and 104 in people aged 10 to 19.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/experts-say-delta-variant-spread-among-australian-children-is-concerning-in-absence-of-covid-vaccine

5 minutes ago, Harry Black said:

Yes.

Your post seemed to indicate they are at school now, however maybe I'm mistaken in your meaning and you meant thats how the school was before it closed?

 

Anyway we all know how important education is for the kids, its the same here in Phuket all teachers are double dosed and the measures in place at schools are good. However they are all closed and will remain so I guess till numbers are down.

 

Its a fact we all just have to wait. Same as we have to wait for lockdowns to end.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Bkk Brian

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your post seemed to indicate they are at school now, however maybe I'm mistaken in your meaning and you meant thats how the school before it closed?

 

Anyway we all know how important education is for the kids, its the same here in Phuket all teachers are double dosed and the measures in place at schools are good. However they are all closed and will remain so I guess till numbers are down.

 

Its a fact we all just have to wait. Same as we have to wait for lockdowns to end.

Ah, sorry. Now I get you.

 

Yes, you are correct with your first sentence in that this was prior to the current closures. But the teachers being double jabbed is obviously recent.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Harry Black

Thailand in talks to buy COVID-19 vaccines from European nations

 

BANGKOK, Aug 26 (Reuters) - Thailand is in talks with European countries to purchase millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccines, a health official said on Thursday, as the Southeast Asian nation tries to speed up its inoculation rollout to contain a wave of infections.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailand-talks-buy-covid-19-vaccines-european-nations-2021-08-26/

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Toddlers must also be jabbed to boost herd immunity, advises virologist

 

Chulalongkorn University’s virology specialist Dr Yong Poovorawan on Wednesday suggested that Covid-19 jabs be provided to children aged three and above in a bid to create herd immunity.

"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005294

 

All this talk of herd immunity. As the professor involved in the AZ vaccine said, he believes you cannot reach herd immunity, only herd protection. You vaccinate all those vulnerable and as many of the other population as possible to reduce the severity of the infection. IMO this virus is going nowhere, as we have seen in countries with high vaccination rates. Hopefully over time it will evolve into something more benign, but untill then all we can do is protect those most at risk. If this means restrictions until vaccination levels are reached, so be it. It's down governments to organise and roll out vaccinations at a high rate and the manufacturer's to stop infighting, relenquish patents and allow worldwide production to ramp up. As usual governments have turned vaccination into a political statement. The general population are just pawns in this unfolding game and we must do what we can to protect ourselves and others who are at risk from this virus.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Petey11

1 hour ago, edwinchester said:

Seems like they're taking lessons from the UK Conservative Govt in handing out covid related contracts.

Wouldn't believe all you read.

UK health care workers were only concerned about getting hold of PPE when there was a huge global shortage.

Not the bitter views of online fantasists.

All Thailand is concerned with is the UK government helping fund the AZ vaccine development and the UK government donating AZ to Thailand and other countries worldwide.

Businesses in the UK also got up to 80% furlough support to help them through enforced lockdowns, possibly the most generous scheme in the world.

What has Thailand done for their own citizens, let alone the rest of the world?

 

https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/content/a-testimony-of-friendship-trough-covid-19-vaccine?cate=5d6636c215e39c3bd0006cb5

 

 

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by GStewart70
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Thai researchers have tapped the abilities of sniffer dogs to create what is thought to be the world’s first sweat test for Covid-19.

Created by Chulalongkorn University, the quick and easy-to-use portable test device detects scents in sweat that signal infection. Each sample takes only 15 minutes to collect and provides results in 30 seconds, said a Chula press release. The sweat test is already being used in community screening, it added.

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005313

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15 minutes ago, anchadian said:

 

Thai researchers have tapped the abilities of sniffer dogs to create what is thought to be the world’s first sweat test for Covid-19.

 

Created by Chulalongkorn University, the quick and easy-to-use portable test device detects scents in sweat that signal infection. Each sample takes only 15 minutes to collect and provides results in 30 seconds, said a Chula press release. The sweat test is already being used in community screening, it added.

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005313

If you don't fail the PCR test arriving at BBK, fido might grass you up if he's having a bad day.

What sort of a world are we going to be living in.

1 hour ago, Harry Black said:

Ah, sorry. Now I get you.

 

Yes, you are correct with your first sentence in that this was prior to the current closures. But the teachers being double jabbed is obviously recent.

May I ask do you know what they were double jabbed with?

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some people here are posting that the official numbers underestimate the number of infections, which is true. There isn’t enough testing ™️ .

 

but, the real question is if the number of infections is increasing or decreasing, on a daily basis.

 

My sense is, based on anecdotal evidence, that the epidemic is decreasing in intensity. 
 

What do you think?

 

Hospitalizations are well down. That's a pretty good indicator.

 

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Paradise Pete

49 minutes ago, anchadian said:

 

Thai researchers have tapped the abilities of sniffer dogs to create what is thought to be the world’s first sweat test for Covid-19.

 

Created by Chulalongkorn University, the quick and easy-to-use portable test device detects scents in sweat that signal infection. Each sample takes only 15 minutes to collect and provides results in 30 seconds, said a Chula press release. The sweat test is already being used in community screening, it added.

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005313

If it works within a 80-100% range it will be very useful. Be nice to see some peer review data. Question is what happens if you test positive? 

33 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

 

Hospitalizations are well down. That's a pretty good indicator.

 

Maybe less people are being hospitalised than before because they're sending them to field hospitals, hospitels or home. It's serious, ICU/intubated and deaths that's a good inicator. Obviously infections aren't because the numbers are meaningless with the abismal rate of testing. Test 100,000 a day then more credibility. Still a very low number for a population of 70,000,000.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by dinsdale

WHO Thailand 26th Aug report 

 

SITUATION ANALYSIS Although confirmed cases of COVID-19 and the number of people occupying hospital beds are reducing for the first time since early June, the daily number of cases classified as serious, the number being treated on a mechanical ventilator and the number of people dying has remained very high. In addition, the proportion of people in Thailand who have immunity from COVID-19, either through vaccination or natural infection is much lower than the level needed to attain ‘herd immunity’. We must all avoid complacency and continue to apply basic preventive measures Stay at home if possible, avoid crowded places, wash your hands with soap and water or alcohol gel, wear a face mask and if you have a cough, practice respiratory hygiene by coughing into a tissue or a folded elbow, disposing of the tissue safely and washing your hands after. If we all follow these measures, it will break chains of transmission, flatten the curve, protect healthcare workers and save lives

 

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/searo/thailand/2021_08_26_eng-sitrep-198-covid19.pdf?sfvrsn=465abbe5_3

Just see on Sky News report.  Thailand added to  UK Red List.

 

Put on red list because of worry over variants of concern and seems the UK government don't trust the Thai government to fess up to such variants.

The UK processes nearly 50% of global genome sequencing.

 

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Not really. They just shifted out 10's of thousands who 'probably' didn't need to be in hospital but still need some care or medication and called them recovered.

CALLED them recovered.

COVID-19: Thailand reports 18,702 new coronavirus cases, 273 more deaths

 

File photo: REUTERS

 

Thailand on Friday (August 27) reported 18,702 new COVID-19 cases, 20,163 recoveries and 273 additional deaths over the past 24 hours.

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1228931-covid-19-thailand-reports-18702-new-coronavirus-cases-273-more-deaths/

 

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