COVID-19: Thailand reports 262 more deaths and 14,956 new coronavirus cases

[brewsterbudgen]

@ThailandRyan Centralworld was fairly busy yesterday, especially places like the DTAC, AIS and True shops where many were waiting to pay bills and sort out phones.  Didn't see many in the restaurants on the 6th and 7th floors, but I was there fairly early.

[ChipButty]

21 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I’ve no idea what caused the spike. Phuket doesn’t really publish where clusters are found. I did read that the sea gypsies village had been proactively tested and was found to be clear, but I’m not sure if that is as a result of recent testing or a restatement of the result of proactive tests done a month or so ago. Another sea village in the north had a 40% positive rate and 100 cases, but they aren’t in the Rawai numbers of course.

 

it’s all rather opaque. Rawai is quite a small area, lots of mixing at the beach and in popular restaurants. Cases could go high very quickly, but then fall very quickly again because the population isn’t very big.

All I can find is +7 cases in Rawai yesterday 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

All I can find is +7 cases in Rawai yesterday 

Its in the Phuket news update yesterday: Rawai - 183 (+64)

[starky]

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

 

 

https://twitter.com/NichaSamui/status/1432981635851378690/photo/1

Anyone know how this will be checked and what will be considered sufficient evidence of vaccination?

Edited September 2, 2021 by starky

[Scrotobike]

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

Nothing. The deaths reflect the high cases of 2/3 weeks ago.

I would love to see stats on this as anicdotally from reliable news reports people are dying shortly after testing as they are already very sick when walking in to the Hospital. Do you have access to these stats or a link I can look at - happy to be upgraded.

[worrab]

9 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

How they switch, manipulate, or change numbers it is still the same about 40% of the tests PCR and ATK are positive. It didn't change from last week.. split it in more like prisons, markets, navy .. but that doesn't change the percentage.. and we all know they don't count numbers, just like the 396 of Prachuap kiri Kan were never seen in the daily reports... It is very dangerous at this moment in Thailand to get Covid infected

As I said yesterday, they showed 272 in the daily report which was 124 short of the figure we know. That is massaging the figures by not giving the full number of cases. I have actually noticed this before but it was only about 5 or 6 cases difference under the daily report. If other provinces also did this then the figures become somewhat different to what we are shown!

[Scrotobike]

37 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

IMO most of the CCSA Staff have been comatose for more than a Year now.

Vaccinating the over 50,s ! Really !

They have not even managed to Vaccinate the Old and Infirmed yet, and they then prioritize a group that are not urgent.

 

 

Still more sandbox teams (pattaya etc) talking about allocating (stealing from the old) jabs to them. CCSA needs to get a grip!

[Scrotobike]

51 minutes ago, Saltire said:

It seems the latest idea to spread covid to the villages is for members of migrant workers families having to return home from red zones simply to get a vaccine. Not sure why they are being refused, perhaps to return to the address of their yellow book?

 

One Laos neighbour had 3 relatives come on the 31st, went for vaccine on the first and went home today. Didn't report in as required.

 

Another Laos family closeby came home, didn't report in to the village chief until they were dobbed in being seen at the vaccine station.. He found out and visited their home with commuity health and all 4 members tested positive (but were not sick). They then refused to go to the community isolation centre a few miles away, insisting they would self isolate at their families home. Locals are very angry and the dispute is unresolved so far.

 

Wonder if this is happening in other villages? I assume so.

 

 

 

Now interprovincial travel is open - this spreading will surely increase. The transferred sick will now just get on a bus......

[koratkarlos]

5 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

Now interprovincial travel is open - this spreading will surely increase.

I believe this also.  If the cases do not go up perhaps the testing, data compilation and reporting are not so accurate, as been stated before.  We will see.

[Drees]

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Nothing. The deaths reflect the high cases of 2/3 weeks ago.

Yes, some people think they get sick and die the same day.

[Drees]

18 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

I would love to see stats on this as anicdotally from reliable news reports people are dying shortly after testing as they are already very sick when walking in to the Hospital. Do you have access to these stats or a link I can look at - happy to be upgraded.

It's just common sence! You see it everywhere in the world. 

[ChipButty]

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its in the Phuket news update yesterday: Rawai - 183 (+64)

Not confirmed, but I now hear they did some mass testing around the gypsy village area

[Scrotobike]

10 minutes ago, Drees said:

It's just common sence! You see it everywhere in the world. 

OK but Thailand is a little different - just interested but no stats and just an opinion is 100% ok for me.

[Drees]

37 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

I would love to see stats on this as anicdotally from reliable news reports people are dying shortly after testing as they are already very sick when walking in to the Hospital. Do you have access to these stats or a link I can look at - happy to be upgraded.

 

7 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

OK but Thailand is a little different - just interested but no stats and just an opinion is 100% ok for me.

Why is Thailand different, when it is about Covid? I think that is an opinion and not a fact. People first get sick go, to the hospital, after that they get on a ventilator. The deaths lag the cases. Fact! 

[buick]

56 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

According to WHO Thailand the trend should take effect 5 - 7 days after the cases decrease:

 

"The trend in deaths tends to follow the pattern in cases (especially severe and ventilated cases) 5-7 day’s later."

 

this is my understanding also based on what i've read during this lovely pandemic.  in the past, the lag was longer but more recently, the lag is shorter.  i'm not sure why, i'm hoping the reason is more people are saved so those that hung on for 3-4 weeks survive.

 

if the decline in cases is real, the daily deaths should be going down right about now.  we had a sub 200 number recently.  otherwise, we are still at a 7 day average daily death number of around 250.  have been for over a week.  i don't think that is an outrageously high number based on thailand's population and relative to the numbers seen in other countries.  but it would be nice to see a decrease.

[jerrymahoney]

46 minutes ago, starky said:

Anyone know how this will be checked and what will be considered sufficient evidence of vaccination?

I am posting this with no comment (30 AUG 2021)

 

Aviation authority gives the green light for air travel between dark red provinces

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005463

[Drees]

14 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

OK but Thailand is a little different - just interested but no stats and just an opinion is 100% ok for me.

Here is a study about it. I think you want so bad that Thailand is manipulating there numbers that you just make up things about it now. I read from the beginning that people say that Thailand is manipulating there cases, without any proof.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/

[Bkk Brian]

Over 1.5 million people have received the 'Thai cocktail" of Sinovac and AstraZeneca. It has proven to be safe and effective, said the Ministry of Public Health on Thursday.

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1433280036270796800

 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Over 1.5 million people have received the 'Thai cocktail" of Sinovac and AstraZeneca. It has proven to be safe and effective, said the Ministry of Public Health on Thursday.

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1433280036270796800

 

Sure would have liked to see an actual clinical trial of the mixture actually published and peer reviewed.

[Scrotobike]

Just now, Drees said:

Here is a study about it. I think you want so bad that Thailand is manipulating there numbers that you just make up things about it now. I read from the beginning that people say that Thailand is manipulating there cases, without any proof.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/

No you mistake me for someone else - I just see these cases of quick death on the news and I wondered if 2/3 weeks in Thailand was correct as the news reports were suggesting otherwise. gain this is a generic study not Thailand centric.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Drees said:

Here is a study about it. I think you want so bad that Thailand is manipulating there numbers that you just make up things about it now. I read from the beginning that people say that Thailand is manipulating there cases, without any proof.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/

How does that work if hospitals were full, people were dying at home and there was triage in ICU? The lag is far less is the outcome.

[Scrotobike]

8 minutes ago, Drees said:

 

Why is Thailand different, when it is about Covid? I think that is an opinion and not a fact. People first get sick go, to the hospital, after that they get on a ventilator. The deaths lag the cases. Fact! 

Here the ICUs and ventilators are almost full and people are going to hospital when they are very sick - as they are being parked. The testing is then quite late in the disease cycle. So yes Thailand is different. That is why I asked politely what data you had. Have to say I am not impressed with your less than friendly response.

 

But thanks for what ever.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Sure would have liked to see an actual clinical trial of the mixture actually published and peer reviewed.

It needs to be translated into English from a facebook post first, then offered to International experts for review in pre published format, all 400 words of it...5555

[buick]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I am posting this with no comment (30 AUG 2021)

 

Aviation authority gives the green light for air travel between dark red provinces

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005463

thanks for posting this.  i've been trying to get the rules for arrival in buriram and they are outlined in your link.  of course i'll still be prepared for 'changes' at any time.

[anchadian]

Only 13% will visit Thailand under the kingdom’s demanding entry process with economy at stake

 

Readers survey has some good news for the government as problems grow for the Phuket Sandbox with a ‘crisis’ now on the island according to the Governor of Phuket Narong Woonsiew as COVID-19 infections are rising. Economists are plotting the course of Thailand’s GDP as the rest of the country eases COVID-19 restrictions and plans a wider reopening to foreign tourism due in October. In the meantime, the Thai baht has gained ground against the US dollar by 3.6% since August 10th, just days before the peak of the last virus wave.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/09/02/only-13-per-cent-to-visit-thailand-under-cerificate-of-entry-rules/

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

All I can find is +7 cases in Rawai yesterday 

This was in Phuketnews round up today. I think I’ve read it right? Happy to be corrected though. ????

[wensiensheng]

11 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Only 13% will visit Thailand under the kingdom’s demanding entry process with economy at stake

 

Readers survey has some good news for the government as problems grow for the Phuket Sandbox with a ‘crisis’ now on the island according to the Governor of Phuket Narong Woonsiew as COVID-19 infections are rising. Economists are plotting the course of Thailand’s GDP as the rest of the country eases COVID-19 restrictions and plans a wider reopening to foreign tourism due in October. In the meantime, the Thai baht has gained ground against the US dollar by 3.6% since August 10th, just days before the peak of the last virus wave.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/09/02/only-13-per-cent-to-visit-thailand-under-cerificate-of-entry-rules/

From speaking to relatives in the UK, they don’t seem to care about Covid case numbers. They are used to living in a Covid environment. They have been double jabbed and feel they are as protected as can reasonably be expected. Whether Phuket has 2, 20 or 200 cases doesn’t seem to faze them.

 

they do care about having a good holiday without restrictions. Having lived with them for so long in the UK, they really don’t want to swap what they have now, for a country that has more restrictions. 
 

testing doesn’t seem to be an issue for them. They are used to it, almost as a facet of everyday life.

 

Phuket needs to refocus. It should do what is right for the population of the island, based on its current data, vis a vis vaccinations, hospitalizations etc. if that means continued restrictions, so be it. If it means normal life, so be it. seeking to eradicate virus cases probably won’t automatically result in tourists if the island is heavily restricted. Just my opinion.

[wensiensheng]

32 minutes ago, Drees said:

Here is a study about it. I think you want so bad that Thailand is manipulating there numbers that you just make up things about it now. I read from the beginning that people say that Thailand is manipulating there cases, without any proof.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/

No proof? What about the hidden prison cases? What about the bubble and seal cases identified by antigen, but not included in official numbers?

 

there is proof. It’s just no one knows how deep it goes. That causes mistrust and before you know it, everything looks suspect whether it actually is, or not.

[drenddy]

They just found out, most fatalities occur in over 50 aged people.

Who told them?

Perhaps a (google) thai scholar on Facebook?

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

28 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Only 13% will visit Thailand under the kingdom’s demanding entry process with economy at stake

 

Readers survey has some good news for the government as problems grow for the Phuket Sandbox with a ‘crisis’ now on the island according to the Governor of Phuket Narong Woonsiew as COVID-19 infections are rising. Economists are plotting the course of Thailand’s GDP as the rest of the country eases COVID-19 restrictions and plans a wider reopening to foreign tourism due in October. In the meantime, the Thai baht has gained ground against the US dollar by 3.6% since August 10th, just days before the peak of the last virus wave.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/09/02/only-13-per-cent-to-visit-thailand-under-cerificate-of-entry-rules/

Covids impact is not only about cases themselves, but about the vacccinations woes, and then the restrictions in place to travel throughout the country as well as fly in via an international route.  All I can say after reading the article is this "If the contraction of the economy as indicated in the below quote does actually occur then the tourism sector is not seen as viable"

 

"The Bank of Thailand issued a wary assessment on the future outlook for the economy on Tuesday even as the Joint Standing Committee on Commerce, Industry and Banking (JSCCIB) reassessed its earlier bleak assessment, issued in August at the height of the COVID-19 Delta wave of the virus, that the kingdom’s economy could contract by as much as 1.5% in 2021."

 

Additionally, if the current impact of Covid here in Thailand is shrinking the economy and the US economy is growing, as it is, then how can the baht be gaining ground without some form of manipulation happening.  Looks like speculators might be playing a game in order to make some money. Not sure what they are doing other than possibly be shorting the USD.

 

"This has been accompanied by an upwards tick in the Thai baht which has gained 3.6% against the dollar since the 10th August, just a few days before the peak of the current wave between the 13th and 16th August, rising from a value of ฿33.47 to the US dollar to just ฿32.20 on Tuesday. This will prompt concern that speculation on the baht may have resumed in anticipation of a tourist-led recovery even though in July, the kingdom recorded a monthly current account deficit of $700 million following a $1.3 billion shortfall for June."

 

Covids impact has been a direct hit and I am sure the lack of testing has also led to a big mistrust here from all.

Edited September 2, 2021 by ThailandRyan