Always use a drill vice or grips ... Yes, you!

[Crossy]

EDIT After reading @sometimewoodworker's post I've removed the "gloves" from the topic title. https://aseannow.com/topic/1230128-always-use-a-drill-vice-or-grips-yes-you/?do=findComment&comment=16799276

 

And of course being a practice what you preach type ...

 

15mm drill in 1.5mm thick stock, yes it snatched and whizzed round with the drill.

 

Sharp edge got me!

 

It could have been a lot worse, but it did bleed rather a lot and scared the missus (maybe it was the fruity language that scared Madam).

 

It's not like I don't have vice grips and gloves, but for one piece ...

 

Photo after I'd stemmed the flow.

 

[tifino]

if this had been flakebok, there'd have been a bluddy great banner right over it; mollycoddling all to be careful before going ahead to Click for the actual photo 

 

 - that would have been a Kids Glove scenario ???? 

[Kwasaki]

When you have done something for years and years complacency does show it's hand. 

[tonray]

Way back when I had a large property in the USA with lots and lots of mature trees..constant hacksawing and maintenance after a storm. A friend said, "Hey why not just buy a chainsaw ?" After thinking about it for a few minutes, the thought of me laying in the yard with half a leg, considering I cut myself when making salad routinely, was not a good idea.

[Crossy]

6 minutes ago, tifino said:

if this had been flakebok, there'd have been a bluddy great banner right over it; mollycoddling all to be careful before going ahead to Click for the actual photo 

 

We used to have a "spoiler" tag so we could hide those "iffy" images, sadly it vanished during one of the forum "upgrades".

 

Now I'm in trouble for getting blood on Madam's clean tea-towel, she got her revenge with the Betadine (that stuff STINGS!!) ???? 

[tifino]

9 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

We used to have a "spoiler" tag so we could hide those "iffy" images, sadly it vanished during one of the forum "upgrades".

 

Now I'm in trouble for getting blood on Madam's clean tea-towel, she got her revenge with the Betadine (that stuff STINGS!!) ???? 

gotta show her you are tough... so tough you grab the Betadine bottle and have a gargle... 

[tonray]

7 minutes ago, tifino said:

gotta show her you are tough... so tough you grab the Betadine bottle and have a gargle... 

Actually my dentist here in Bangkok has added oral Betadine as a precautionary rinse before treatment due to Covid. It doesn't taste that bad.

[Crossy]

1 minute ago, tonray said:

It doesn't taste that bad.

 

Especially with gin or vodka

[sometimewoodworker]

38 minutes ago, Crossy said:

And of course being a practice what you preach type ...

 

15mm drill in 1.5mm thick stock, yes it snatched and whizzed round with the drill.

 

Sharp edge got me!

Absolutely agree on the drill vice or hold down.
 

Absolutely totally and unequivocally disagree with gloves when using spinning things. HSE and all competent unions tell you to never use gloves with rotating machinery. The stronger the glove the mor dangerous it is. If your glove got snagged you could have had a much more serious injury for much more detail than you ever want to know

Degloving injuries of the hand and yes gloves can cause degloving an injury I sincerely never want to see.

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by sometimewoodworker

[Crossy]

6 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Absolutely totally and unequivocally disagree with gloves when using spinning things.

 

Very, very good point, I've removed "gloves" from the topic title to avoid later confusion.

 

When I was an apprentice the stress was always on the long hair that was "fashion" at the time, some very scary posters in the workshop.

[Kwasaki]

7 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Very, very good point, I've removed "gloves" from the topic title to avoid later confusion.

 

When I was an apprentice the stress was always on the long hair that was "fashion" at the time, some very scary posters in the workshop.

One of my powerful hammer drill has a a side hand which is great to have when getting drill snags. 

[Nojohndoe]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

One of my powerful hammer drill has a a side hand which is great to have when getting drill snags. 

They ARE good ! Helps to get the entire body spinning rather than just breaking  a wrist ! lol

[Nojohndoe]

54 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

When you have done something for years and years complacency does show it's hand. 

Wisdom is usually gained retrospectively. So far I have only lost one finger tip and  one eye. Even at an advanced age I am sure I have time to gain a little more wisdom.

[Crossy]

Yeah, a big masonry drill snagging on a bit of re-bar gets interesting.

[bankruatsteve]

I don't know if angle grinder and chain saw are "spinning things" but they will get my leather gloves every time and have saved skin by doing so.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

We used to have a "spoiler" tag so we could hide those "iffy" images, sadly it vanished during one of the forum "upgrades".

 

Now I'm in trouble for getting blood on Madam's clean tea-towel, she got her revenge with the Betadine (that stuff STINGS!!) ???? 

But not as much as medicinal alcohol.

[billd766]

When I sharpen the blade of my weed whacker using the bench grinder, I always wear my leather riggers gloves.

 

It makes the blade easier and safer to hold and I don't lose any skin on the grinder wheels.

[sometimewoodworker]

4 hours ago, bankruatsteve said:

I don't know if angle grinder and chain saw are "spinning things" but they will get my leather gloves every time and have saved skin by doing so.

 

 

Yes the angle grinder is a spinning thing. That your skin has been saved makes no difference to the dangers of gloves.

 

The chainsaw requires gloves with ballistic padding to be safe, it will pay no attention to leather gloves, they only affect flying debris. A chainsaw accident will not be much, if any, different with gloves on

 

That you haven’t had a problem with using gloves has no bearing on the safety of not wearing them. 
 

I have driven hundreds of thousands of kilometres, I have always worn a seatbelt since before they become required, I have always worn a crash helmet again since long before they were required and again got hundreds of thousands of kilometres. I have never needed a seatbelt’s protection or crash helmets. That doesn’t change the reasons for using them.

 

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

When I sharpen the blade of my weed whacker using the bench grinder, I always wear my leather riggers gloves.

 

It makes the blade easier and safer to hold and I don't lose any skin on the grinder wheels.

 

Less good technique can be compensated for, it doesn’t change the safety.

the gloves also allow overheating of the steel 

 

Personal experience doesn’t make any difference to the safety rules.

 

Safety rules have come into place because too many people have had injuries wearing gloves. 

Edited September 5, 2021 by sometimewoodworker

[transam]

I think most of us are guilty of causing that kind of trauma during our DIY lives...????

[sometimewoodworker]

That you have always done something and had no problem makes zero difference to the advisability or safety of doing that. 
 

It just means that you haven’t had the bad luck to discover why what you have been doing was not safe.

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I think most of us are guilty of causing that kind of trauma during our DIY lives...????

Yeah buddy wear glasses and toecap boots, a helmet,  a hivi bulletproof vest,  kevler clothes, a gasmask, and never go outside. ????????????????????

[Crossy]

I've been pretty confident with power tools from an early age thanks to my dad (would you give a 10 year old a power saw, even closely supervised, these days?), of course in the 60's H&S were just letters.

 

That said chainsaws have always terrified me, give me my the nice safe (ish) handsaw for trees.

 

One thing I never risk is my eyes, looking away, no way, get those safety glasses out!

 

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, Crossy said:

I've been pretty confident with power tools from an early age thanks to my dad (would you give a 10 year old a power saw, even closely supervised, these days?), of course in the 60's H&S were just letters.

 

That said chainsaws have always terrified me, give me my the nice safe (ish) handsaw for trees.

 

One thing I never risk is my eyes, looking away, no way, get those safety glasses out!

 

Your right but some have lived in different times mine was before you I guess and as in UK I worked in the building industry then what makes me laugh is some here come to Thailand and get involved in building and become H & S experts.

[Crossy]

7 hours ago, Crossy said:

When I was an apprentice the stress was always on the long hair that was "fashion" at the time, some very scary posters in the workshop.

 

God, we were an iffy looking lot, our apprenticeship entry photo.

No, I'm not indicating which one is me  

There are at least two doctorates in that motley crew.

I'm still in touch with at least 30% of the chaps.

 

 

[Boomer6969]

Dunno where you're from, but a small scratch like that I give it a good lick and keep working.

 

But in these Covid times, I may be useful to add that I keep my tetanus shots up to date.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

 

 

Yes the angle grinder is a spinning thing. That your skin has been saved makes no difference to the dangers of gloves.

 

The chainsaw requires gloves with ballistic padding to be safe, it will pay no attention to leather gloves, they only affect flying debris. A chainsaw accident will not be much, if any, different with gloves on

 

That you haven’t had a problem with using gloves has no bearing on the safety of not wearing them. 
 

I have driven hundreds of thousands of kilometres, I have always worn a seatbelt since before they become required, I have always worn a crash helmet again since long before they were required and again got hundreds of thousands of kilometres. I have never needed a seatbelt’s protection or crash helmets. That doesn’t change the reasons for using them.

 

 

Less good technique can be compensated for, it doesn’t change the safety.

the gloves also allow overheating of the steel 

 

Personal experience doesn’t make any difference to the safety rules.

 

Safety rules have come into place because too many people have had injuries wearing gloves. 

quote "Personal experience doesn’t make any difference to the safety rules."

 

That applies to you as well as everybody else.

 

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

That you have always done something and had no problem makes zero difference to the advisability or safety of doing that. 
 

It just means that you haven’t had the bad luck to discover why what you have been doing was not safe.

That applies to you as well as everybody else.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah buddy wear glasses and toecap boots, a helmet,  a hivi bulletproof vest,  kevler clothes, a gasmask, and never go outside. ????????????????????

When I use my week whacker I do wear glasses, boots with steel toe caps and soles plus a chainsaw helmet with a steel mesh visor. So far over the 12 plus years the only injuries I have sustained in accidents is a bashed up arm caused by me stepping backwards into a hole I didn't know was there, loosing my balance and falling against a water tank.

 

That was last year and I was 76 at the time. Even now it aches sometimes and I had physiotherapy once a month for 6 months. 

 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

quote "Personal experience doesn’t make any difference to the safety rules."

 

That applies to you as well as everybody else.

Of course it does, did I suggest otherwise?

 

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

2 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

That you have always done something and had no problem makes zero difference to the advisability or safety of doing that. 
 

It just means that you haven’t had the bad luck to discover why what you have been doing was not safe.

That applies to you as well as everybody else.

You (second-person pronoun) don’t understand the use of the indefinite pronoun you, do you (second-person pronoun) ?

 

Since nobody was quoted In the posting above it is clearly the indefinite pronoun so again of course I am included.

 

Do please tell us the purpose of that post?

Edited September 5, 2021 by sometimewoodworker

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

When I use my week whacker I do wear glasses, boots with steel toe caps and soles plus a chainsaw helmet with a steel mesh visor. So far over the 12 plus years the only injuries I have sustained in accidents is a bashed up arm caused by me stepping backwards into a hole I didn't know was there, loosing my balance and falling against a water tank.

 

That was last year and I was 76 at the time. Even now it aches sometimes and I had physiotherapy once a month for 6 months. 

 

Yeah us young thinking guys have to be tough and not notice pain, it's something that comes with this time in our lives.

Take extra care my cyber friend thats what I do but still mess up sometimes. ???? ????

[Crossy]

10 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Dunno where you're from, but a small scratch like that I give it a good lick and keep working.

But in these Covid times, I may be useful to add that I keep my tetanus shots up to date.

 

Yup, tetanus is up to date.

 

Biggest worry in the tropics is it getting infected, thorough cleaning and topical antiseptic are essential.

 

I've had cellulitis twice from much smaller nicks, definitely not nice (and expensive).