Digital Pass Question?

[kiteman9]

Do you think having to have the digital pass to fly ,eat out, and shop will help the economy?

[tonray]

3 hours ago, kiteman9 said:

Do you think having to have the digital pass to fly ,eat out, and shop will help the economy?

Only if they start charging 150 baht per pass and giving a % to the restaurants and shops

[Jeffr2]

Yes. It means the majority of us (soon to be in Thailand also) don't have to worry about anti vaxxers infecting us while out.

 

Quantas just initiated this as has many hotels, cruise ships, restaurants,etc. Love it.

[billp]

I like it because it puts pressure on the vaccine-hesitant to do their part and get their jabs.

[kiteman9]

25 minutes ago, billp said:

I like it because it puts pressure on the vaccine-hesitant to do their part and get their jabs.

That is not the an answer for the question being asked.

[chrissables]

17 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yes. It means the majority of us (soon to be in Thailand also) don't have to worry about anti vaxxers infecting us while out.

 

Quantas just initiated this as has many hotels, cruise ships, restaurants,etc. Love it.

If vaccines work why would you worry about the unvaccinated? 

They have just cancelled the vaccine passport in the UK, there is a reason for that i suggest.

[4MyEgo]

6 minutes ago, chrissables said:

If vaccines work why would you worry about the unvaccinated? 

They have just cancelled the vaccine passport in the UK, there is a reason for that i suggest.

Because if the unvaccinated get infected, they can still infect others also good luck with anyone in the UK getting into a lot of countries without a vaccination passport.

 

Care to share that link where they cancelled the vaccination passport.

[PumpkinEater]

I’m confused…

They say the vaccinated AND unvaccinated can catch covid and spread the virus.

True or not? Then why a health pass?

Unless they keep their word and let the vaccinated live freely again without masks or social distancing….then I am for the health pass idea to prove my status. E.g. A cop stops you for no mask show him your health pass…

I think this is either a ploy to persuade folks to vaccinate…or/and make a bunch of money on apps.

(I recently received a text with a link from the pharmacy where I vaccinated, pushing an app for a digital health QR code for fast lanes in airports, etc. After opening the link, the app (Clear pass) cost $270 to set up!) Obviously corporations working together for huge profits!

 

I hope that after substantial population vaccination, that we get our freedoms back…but I am skeptical…

The WHO should have put in place a worldwide data base of a vaccination status app long ago…and not left to individual countries to sort this out with various ideas, and apps which wont work in other countries.

There should also be communication on the end game of this virus. At what point are we allowed to live normally again?

I did my part and am vaccinated…now let me live again, without these huge money making schemes being thrown around. And enforced. 
4 Covid tests in two weeks for the vaccinated returnee? $$$

Sha+ Hotel when I have my own accommodation (retired)? $$$

Covid Insurance of 21500thb…$$$

C’mon…too many cooks in the kitchen trying to outdo each other with ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by PumpkinEater
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[NE1]

13 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

20 minutes ago, chrissables said:

If vaccines work why would you worry about the unvaccinated? 

They have just cancelled the vaccine passport in the UK, there is a reason for that i suggest.

Because if the unvaccinated get infected, they can still infect others also good luck with anyone in the UK getting into a lot of countries without a vaccination passport.

 

Care to share that link where they cancelled the vaccination passport.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-58488489

[NE1]

6 minutes ago, PumpkinEater said:

They say the vaccinated AND unvaccinated can catch covid and spread the virus.

Being vaccinated protects you from the seriousness of the infection .

It does not prevent it.

[mtls2005]

23 hours ago, kiteman9 said:

Do you think having to have the digital pass to fly ,eat out, and shop will help the economy?

What do you think?

 

 

[chrissables]

30 minutes ago, NE1 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-58488489

I asked you.

[chrissables]

45 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Because if the unvaccinated get infected, they can still infect others also good luck with anyone in the UK getting into a lot of countries without a vaccination passport.

 

Care to share that link where they cancelled the vaccination passport.

Because if the unvaccinated get infected, they can still infect others

 

Even the vaccinated? 

 

Cancelled. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58535258

[NE1]

9 minutes ago, chrissables said:

I asked you.

No , but it is nice to help.....????

[4MyEgo]

2 minutes ago, chrissables said:

Because if the unvaccinated get infected, they can still infect others

 

Even the vaccinated? 

 

Cancelled. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58535258

Yes even the vaccinated, the vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death, that is proven, eventually everyone will get vaccinated or suffer the consequences, and yes we all know it is mostly the elderly that die, so if you don't want to get vaccinated, infect the elderly then good for you, your doing your thing for humanity.

 

The unselfish will get vaccinated so that those with immunocompromised diseases, i.e. weak immune systems, and the elderly who also have weakened immune systems get years of life to live.

 

The selfish will continue to inflict death and long Covid, why, because they are all about themselves.

 

Your choice, and as for vaccine passports they will never work for clubs, stores etc, however should be mandatory for domestic travel and entering other countries.

[kiteman9]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

23 hours ago, kiteman9 said:

Do you think having to have the digital pass to fly ,eat out, and shop will help the economy?

What do you think?

 

It is mostly about control. I will be staying home and not flying or traveling to eat out or shop at all until things are cleared up and less regulated. I feel a lot of other people will be doing the same which will be causing problems with the economy. The health minister said "there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate"

[Nanaplaza666]

18 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yes. It means the majority of us (soon to be in Thailand also) don't have to worry about anti vaxxers infecting us while out.

 

Quantas just initiated this as has many hotels, cruise ships, restaurants,etc. Love it.

Is this the jeffr2 that's been living under a rock ?? People that have been vaccinated can still get infected and spread covid . The vaccine is only to prefent death and serious illness(hospitalization) so those anti vaxxers should be more afraid of you(if you have been vaxxed) then you should be of them . So you can LOVE IT all you want ,but your COMMENT doesn't make any sence . 

[expat_4_life]

I'm due for my 2nd jab in a few weeks, personal choice. Once I'm fully vaxxed I'll make my own risk assessment choices about what I do. I'm not afraid of the unvaxxed, everyone has been pretty much unvaxxed here for a long time.

 

Once I am fully vaxxed, I'll not participate in any activity that requires showing my "papers" that I can avoid.  I don't believe in mandates or so called passports. I'll cook at home, shop online, stay away from the pubs, etc.

[Nanaplaza666]

8 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Yes even the vaccinated, the vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death, that is proven, eventually everyone will get vaccinated or suffer the consequences, and yes we all know it is mostly the elderly that die, so if you don't want to get vaccinated, infect the elderly then good for you, your doing your thing for humanity.

 

The unselfish will get vaccinated so that those with immunocompromised diseases, i.e. weak immune systems, and the elderly who also have weakened immune systems get years of life to live.

 

The selfish will continue to inflict death and long Covid, why, because they are all about themselves.

 

Your choice, and as for vaccine passports they will never work for clubs, stores etc, however should be mandatory for domestic travel and entering other countries.

Although i get where you'r going , people that have been infected with covid and recovered , have a stronger imune system or virus fighting system whatever they call it , then with any vaccine . So you are not 100% right . 

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Is this the jeffr2 that's been living under a rock ??

Perhaps you? You seem to of the opinion that the vaccines don't reduce transmission by a significant mount.

 

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The vaccine is only to prefent death and serious illness(hospitalization) so those anti vaxxers should be more afraid of you(if you have been vaxxed) then you should be of them .

False

Edited September 14, 2021 by ozimoron

[Nanaplaza666]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Perhaps you? You seem to of the opinion that the vaccines don't reduce transmission by a significant mount.

 

False

Ozi moron ?? It's all in the name . I never said that vaccines don't reduce transmission did i ?? But vaccinated can still infect others so a vaccinated person is more dangerous for an unvaccinated person then the other way around aren't they ?? I will leave it at that because i feel that you just talk for the talking and don't have a cleu of what you are saying. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Ozi moron ?? It's all in the name . I never said that vaccines don't reduce transmission did i ?? But vaccinated can still infect others so a vaccinated person is more dangerous for an unvaccinated person then the other way around aren't they ?? I will leave it at that because i feel that you just talk for the talking and don't have a cleu of what you are saying. 

You absolutely did. You said the vaccines were "ONLY" to prevent death and serious hospitalization.

[Nanaplaza666]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

You absolutely did. You said the vaccines were "ONLY" to prevent death and serious hospitalization.

??? So i said it doesn't reduce spread ??? Can you show me where i said that ??? 

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

??? So i said it doesn't reduce spread ??? Can you show me where i said that ??? 

what do you think the word "only" in your sentence actually means? Your implied meaning is both clear and wrong.

Edited September 14, 2021 by ozimoron

[Nanaplaza666]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

what do you think the word "only" in your sentence actually means?

Means that sometimes people give less reasons then there actually are because maybe they forgot to mention some of them . But it doesn't mean others can accuse them of things they never said . 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Means that sometimes people give less reasons then there actually are because maybe they forgot to mention some of them . But it doesn't mean others can accuse them of things they never said . 

OK, so you accept that the vaccinations do help reduce transmission and you were not trying to suggest otherwise?

[4MyEgo]

35 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Although i get where you'r going , people that have been infected with covid and recovered , have a stronger imune system or virus fighting system whatever they call it , then with any vaccine . So you are not 100% right . 

I'm never 100% right.

 

I know this much, of the 13,000 plus people who died in Thailand from 1 April to 9 September 2021 as reported here om Asean Now 84% were unvaccinated, 60% plus that dies were older than 60 years of age.

 

Those above who are gone forever didn't stand a chance as Thailand missed the boat when it came to getting vaccines for the country, thanks to both Anutin and Prayout who should have resigned as no one in their right frame of mind would allow people to travel when Delta broke out, so the sole blame has to be theirs, they own it.

 

The above said, if those above were vaccinated, statistics worldwide show that the death count is and would be down.

 

We all know the vaccines aren't 100% effective, no vaccine is, but it's like taking antibiotics why do you take them when your sick, because you know that they might make you better, and that is the way I see vaccines, they are protection, not only to you, your family and others.

 

If you and others think you can fight Covid and be victorious in being immune or creating super antibodies, that is your choice, I and others see an opportunity here to reduce its viral load and spread through vaccinations which also reduce the deaths.

 

We all have choices, my choice was to get vaxed, your might be to wait and see and if you get it, fight it, that is what choice is all about, but for me, I have done enough research to say to myself, vaccines are the only way out for me, again, it's all about choice.

[mtls2005]

59 minutes ago, kiteman9 said:

I feel a lot of other people will be doing the same which will be causing problems with the economy. 

 

Down to consumer confidence, which is tied to general well-being (job/income, health).

 

Getting more people vaccinated is probably the number 1, 2 and 3 priority? This will do much to address consumer confidence.

 

Then any sort of requirement for proof of vaccination status will become less important, at least in Thailand. It will be a thing, until it isn't (months not years). International travel, air travel, etc. will, I think, remain much more tightly controlled, with proof of vaccination and testing remaining requirements for a long time (several years).

 

 

[chrissables]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

Yes even the vaccinated, the vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death, that is proven, eventually everyone will get vaccinated or suffer the consequences, and yes we all know it is mostly the elderly that die, so if you don't want to get vaccinated, infect the elderly then good for you, your doing your thing for humanity.

 

The unselfish will get vaccinated so that those with immunocompromised diseases, i.e. weak immune systems, and the elderly who also have weakened immune systems get years of life to live.

 

The selfish will continue to inflict death and long Covid, why, because they are all about themselves.

 

Your choice, and as for vaccine passports they will never work for clubs, stores etc, however should be mandatory for domestic travel and entering other countries.

so if you don't want to get vaccinated, infect the elderly then good for you, your doing your thing for humanity.

 

People who worry can take the magic juice, i have no issues with that.

 

Forcing someone to take it is totally wrong morally, and should be illegal.

[4MyEgo]

22 minutes ago, chrissables said:

so if you don't want to get vaccinated, infect the elderly then good for you, your doing your thing for humanity.

 

People who worry can take the magic juice, i have no issues with that.

 

Forcing someone to take it is totally wrong morally, and should be illegal.

Would never suggest mandatory vaccinations, however it would be nice for people to see it for what it is.