Phuket study confirms subdermal injections using less vaccine more effective as boost jabs

[snoop1130]

The announcement was made at Vachira Phuket Hospital this afternoon (Sept 15). Photo: PR Phuket

 

PHUKET: Phuket health officials will use only 20% of the standard vaccine dose of AstraZeneca for the third-dose ‘booster shots’ and will administer the vaccine doses as subdermal injections, not intramuscular injections, to boost the recipient’s immunity.

 

The move follows a study conducted by medical officers at Vachira Phuket Hospital, hospital director Dr Chalermpong Sukontapol explained at a press conference at the hospital this afternoon (Sept 15).

 

Joining the conference were the hospital’s Epidemiologist, Dr Withita Jaeng-iam, along with DEPA Phuket office Manager Pracha Asawathira and Phuket Tourist Association President Bhummikitti Ruktaengam.

 

Full Story: https://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-study-confirms-subdermal-injections-using-less-vaccine-more-effective-as-boost-jabs-81413.php

 

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[Karma80]

Oh dear lord. First mix and match sinovac+AZ, now booster shots with the dregs of a proper dose. Fake it until you make it, I guess!

[beechbum]

I wonder if any other medical institute around the world have discovered this......or just Phuket.

[HeijoshinCool]

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The extra 80% is now for sale to the highest farang bidder.....

 

Calm down, stay in line, no cutting.

[2 is 1]

Soon they spray that on your face and dose is 10% really good!

[tonray]

9 minutes ago, beechbum said:

I wonder if any other medical institute around the world have discovered this......or just Phuket.

Subdermal injections were used almost exclusively for the smallpox vaccine...this is not new science

[2 is 1]

Just now, tonray said:

Subdermal injections were used almost exclusively for the smallpox vaccine...this is not new science

I remember when was kid and get vaccine , skin swell and make huge pimple outside 

[tonray]

1 minute ago, 2 is 1 said:

I remember when was kid and get vaccine , skin swell and make huge pimple outside 

and you didn't get smallpox...so it was worth it

[MrJ2U]

Total bull.

 

They just don't have enough Astra Seneca.

 

They could ordered millions of Pfeizer and Moderna months ago.

 

Its the drip and drabs method.

 

Total lunacy.

 

I'll feel much better once I get my second Pfeizer jab.

 

[MrJ2U]

16 minutes ago, beechbum said:

I wonder if any other medical institute around the world have discovered this......or just Phuket.

Just Phuket.

 

Studies over an entire weekend with breaks.

 

Lunacy!

[tonray]

Several studies have shown effectiveness of subdermal method;

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210802/Intradermal-administration-of-low-dose-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine-induces-strong-immune-response-study-finds.aspx

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

and of course this is the real reason why, from the article link:

 

“To return to normal life, the third dose of vaccine is very necessary, and in the situation that we have limited doses of vaccine, the subcutaneous injection using less amount of vaccine helps us achieve that goal faster,” she said. 

“This may be an important method to solve shortages of vaccine doses in many countries while the Delta variant is spreading,” Dr Withita concluded.

[beechbum]

20 minutes ago, tonray said:

Subdermal injections were used almost exclusively for the smallpox vaccine...this is not new science

Was referring to the reduced dosage amount actually.

[tomazbodner]

When next lot of vaccines run out, headline from Phuket: Not injecting any vaccine is even more effective!

[internationalism]

"Phuket Tourist Association President Bhummikitti Ruktaengam"

That's a great honor for him to be there.

Is he a sponsor of this independent research?

Any official and unofficial figures are known? 

[worgeordie]

So less .......is more ....effective 

regards worgeordie

Edited September 15, 2021 by worgeordie

[smedly]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

and of course this is the real reason why, from the article link:

 

“To return to normal life, the third dose of vaccine is very necessary, and in the situation that we have limited doses of vaccine, the subcutaneous injection using less amount of vaccine helps us achieve that goal faster,” she said. 

“This may be an important method to solve shortages of vaccine doses in many countries while the Delta variant is spreading,” Dr Withita concluded.

yep, taking unproven shortcuts to overcome their failings again

 

I would like to hear what AZ says about this or even the WHO, surely if it is effective then why is the whole world not doing this with quadruple  the shots from current supplies

[Nyonya]

No wonder this Tom Yam country are known to have the tastiest Kung. Therefore a mix and match vaccines = Tom Yam Kung vaccine and surely to built up the spice to fight covid delta variant ???????? best of luck. Sawadikap kapkapkap

[leiftheswede]

Well if they give just 20% to each patient it last 5 times longer. But does it do the job or is it just for show ???

[Srikcir]

12 hours ago, tonray said:

Several studies have shown effectiveness of subdermal method;

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210802/Intradermal-administration-of-low-dose-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine-induces-strong-immune-response-study-finds.aspx

 

 

On the other hand:

"Subcutaneous injections can lead to localized cellulitis, granuloma formation and access.

The Covid-19 vaccine has shown to have high efficacy if given correctly intramuscularily."

https://pm.bmj.com/content/97/1148/400

But nothing beats "thainess" medical practice.

[tonray]

2 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

But nothing beats "thainess" medical practice.

I guess your expertise is in trolling ?

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Phuket health officials will use only 20% of the standard vaccine dose of AstraZeneca for the third-dose ‘booster shots’

Mix-n-match and short measures... safe trusted Thailand.

[KKr]

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Edited September 16, 2021 by KKr
Sticky Fingers

[KKr]

14 hours ago, tonray said:

Several studies have shown effectiveness of subdermal method;

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210802/Intradermal-administration-of-low-dose-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine-induces-strong-immune-response-study-finds.aspx

Good article, but refers to a proof of concept; not a Study.

it should also be noted that:
""

Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.

We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.
""
So, by the looks of it, IF the people at the press conference presented this as their invention / research / study, it looks like they are stepping out of line. What they did is confirm that this proof of concept has merit.

IMHO, It will be rather unlikely that the Thai-FDA will take a decision to allow this treatment, based on the Phuket proof-of-concept alone.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

On the other hand:

"Subcutaneous injections can lead to localized cellulitis, granuloma formation and access.

The Covid-19 vaccine has shown to have high efficacy if given correctly intramuscularily."

https://pm.bmj.com/content/97/1148/400

But nothing beats "thainess" medical practice.

Your link is not working. Please check at the source.

[uli65]

I would suggest these famous Phuket doctors for the next Nobel Prize in Medicine.

[malthebluff]

Why haven't they learnt cutting corners to try save a few baht cost much more in the long run. Do it right the  first time and and dont keep doing it again and again and again 

[malthebluff]

18 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

When next lot of vaccines run out, headline from Phuket: Not injecting any vaccine is even more effective!

 they will have to show the empty vaccine bottle to the patient so it scares the virus away

[RocketDog]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:15 PM, tonray said:

Several studies have shown effectiveness of subdermal method;

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210802/Intradermal-administration-of-low-dose-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine-induces-strong-immune-response-study-finds.aspx

 

 

Point taken, but for clarity AZ is not an mRNA vaccine.

[oldcpu]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:25 PM, Bkk Brian said:

and of course this is the real reason why, from the article link:

 

“To return to normal life, the third dose of vaccine is very necessary, and in the situation that we have limited doses of vaccine, the subcutaneous injection using less amount of vaccine helps us achieve that goal faster,” she said. 

“This may be an important method to solve shortages of vaccine doses in many countries while the Delta variant is spreading,” Dr Withita concluded.

Indeed !

 

And if a valid reason ... and valid medically, and Thailand does nothing - how much do you want to bet that sometime in the future the forum cynics will be out in force, bashing Thailand for not acting upon their study.

 

For some - for Thailand, the Thailand actions are always lose lose from bad to very bad. 

 

Bashing Thailand is what the cynics look forward to doing.