Will there be a decision on September 27 about this proposal, or is this just a trial balloon?

I think Walking Street in Pattaya is doomed, in my 32 years here I never saw an abonded dead place like that. Stop quarantaine for vaccinated people and maybe....tourists come back.

Today my country reopen..so i will go to a local thaikaraoke and have fun there insteadof going to thailand for stayi in quarantene for alot of money.

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Common sense would see the following... 

 

- Vaccinated arrivals no quarantine 

- Pre-flight PCR test requirement

- Arrival PCR test requirement (24 hr home / hotel quarantine until negative result is known)

 

Only until 70% of the population if vaccinated with an ‘effective’ vaccine (i.e. not Sinpharm / Sinovac, but with Pfizer, Moderna - vaccines of >90% efficacy) 

 

- Non vaccinated individuals (with out a medical certificate that they have a vaccine allergy etc) still quarantine (thats their choice). 

 

 

 

 

You forgot AZ, almost as good as the mRna's and most Aussies and Euros have it already double dosed.

Sinovac is just OK for 1st dose as long as its followed up by AZ or an mRna for 2nd jab

Tourism will only get back on its feet when there is no quarantine at all, both ways. Otherwise a visit becomes expensive and pointless.

 

And surely that's the whole point of vaccines anyway- at least when there's 80-90% coverage.

 

Given AZ is so effective, and seems not to cause the rare blood clots nearly so much as first thought, Thailand needs to use it fast and furious- that's the one and only strategy that means anything.

7 minutes ago, stigar said:

Today my country reopen..so i will go to a local thaikaraoke and have fun there insteadof going to thailand for stayi in quarantene for alot of money.

cough cough !!! good luck

15 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

I can enjoy Southern Europe without any PCR  testing, without useless face-masks, without quarantines, without visas, with sun lotion, without night curfew, with the bars, restaurants all normally back open, with alcohol, and without corvid insurances. Goodbye!!

Yep great post Destiny and perfectly accurate....

 

The longer this goes on the less and less people will be interested in returning. Contrary to what a few thousand in Pattaya think there's not going to be a flicking of a switch and things returning to "normal"

 

Its going to take a long time years and years...

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by Chivas

19 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Wait on.....after new quarantine you can buy a beer at 7/11 and relax in your room. Just can't go to a bar. 

Netflix recommended.

Everything is not about a bar.  You can start drinking at 8am if you so wish ….I personally like my healthy liver

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Non vaccinated individuals (with out a medical certificate that they have a vaccine allergy etc) still quarantine (thats their choice). 

So because it's their choice and not due to medical problems they are more infectious? 

It is already known that vaccinated people can get infected and also infect others - even those vaxed by what you call the "effective vaccines".

What many people fail to realise is that the control measures taken in most countries are based on fear, political motivation, or both. 

I got double vaxxed with Pfizer back in April… i might ask for a special booster. One so im immune from all this <deleted> NEGATIVITY.  Now i know why some of my friends refuse to read this forum.  

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19 hours ago, aussiexpat said:

Lift you up and then smash you back down. With 7 day ASQ I'd be booking my flight right now...but no, they still want 10 days, which would mean 11 nights....

 

...so much for half ????

7 days for vaccinated/ prc test pre and on arrival. Pcr test day 7…i read in another thai outlet. 10-14 for unvaccinated. Why reward bad behavior and not get vaccinated since its so easy to be in the  USA/UK/EU.  no excuse.  Should  be no vax/ no entry. 

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by Bkktodd

37 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

So because it's their choice and not due to medical problems they are more infectious? 

It is already known that vaccinated people can get infected and also infect others - even those vaxed by what you call the "effective vaccines".

What many people fail to realise is that the control measures taken in most countries are based on fear, political motivation, or both. 

11days ago i was exposed to a coworker who tested positive for covid. Was advised  to get tested but since i was vaccinated i was deemed safe unless i got sick.  I didnt get sick . Yes vaccinated can get sick but the vaccine fights the virus so the effects are less than an unvaccinated person.  Most hospitalized abd or dying are the NON vaccinated.  The rest infected can feel like a cold. To your argument….anyone exposed and with health issues  can get very sick and die  .  Remember before Covid there was the yearly  FLU?  Many died year each from that.  How quick we forget. 

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by Bkktodd

19 hours ago, ukrules said:

Under your little plan above you doom the country on a permanent basis.

There will never be 'home quarantine' - it will always involve some convoluted system of state control right down to when you can open your specially supervised by the military hotel door room.

 

If the currently available vaccines are going to be accepted as in any way useful then there's no need to test vaccinated travelers, no need to quarantine them or anything else, just let them in and leave them alone.

 

Until that happens the vast majority of people will simply go somewhere else.

 

For most people their only requirement is warm weather during the the winter months and there's a lot of places within 10 hours flying time from Europe that provide that, those who remove any quarantine requirements will be the winners and people have long memories once they go somewhere new and like it.

 

 

All Red Sea towns & cities are wide open for any tourist with PCRs and those who are fully vaccinated. Only 3 to 4 hours away from Rome,London & Paris.

14 hours ago, chalawaan said:

Slash it to nothing. And even then, you'll need tourist areas to be EXACTLY run as they were pre pandemic, no masks either. People vacation to get away from their Covid troubles, not to be forced to double down on them! Ya bobble-headed nu-nu's!

And all the bars operating just as before. There are a lot of lonely guys out there willing to part with all the money they saved during lockdowns and such, requiring that GF experience.

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by Straight8

Did I read that right? "those without vaccination proof to be quarantined for 10 days" Nothing about those WITH vaccination proof?

And of course 10 days is more than half of the current 14 days with or without vaccination proof..

 

It's just my view but those with vaccination proof should not have to quarantine. As is the case now in Europe.

19 hours ago, Blumpie said:

This isn't a plan it's a pipe dream.

If you go to Thailand thinking that it will be this way or that, you know it will change when you're on a plane on the way there and you will be subject to more quarantining, more tests, more headaches all on your dime.  

And there's the big problem for tourists/visitors!

The total uncertainty even when you've begun your expensive, carefully planned holiday.

Like you said earlier @Blumpie "Stay home and turn the heating up".....or go somewhere other than Thailand of course.

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by VBF

21 hours ago, rebo said:

But still the CoE, still the insurance, still no alcohol in restaurants, still the early closings, still …

Forget it …!

Mayby I'm wrong, but girls are still available, aren't they?????

20 hours ago, steven100 said:

until they do away with quarantine, but provided the tourist shows their vaccination cert' .....   no one will come while you still have to sit in a hotel room,  and outside is no beer, no fun, nothing.

 

Let vaccinated tourists in and get tested during the stay.

Quarantine for unvacinated, tests x2 , 

 

 

AFAIR under the current scheme NO airlines will let you fly without being fully vaccinated unless you are returning to your home country.

18 hours ago, Blumpie said:

Sounds awesome.  You're tempting me!

Me too...unfortunately, come the UK winter, Greece isn't as hot and sunny as Thailand at that time of the year, otherwise it would be my winter alternative.

I have no desire to book a very expensive flight -- which will probably have the flight times changed 2 or 3 times -- have to stay in some crappy hotel, and pay for it, organise the required insurance, visa, and all documentation required -- just to check on our apartment and see mother-in-law!

 

Visit a country that has yet to vaccinate 50% of the population -- and restrictions on what businesses are open -- and possible travel restrictions being imposed whilst there?  Not likely!

8 hours ago, alyx said:

Although hardly comparable, meanwhile in the Netherlands..."The quarantine requirement for vaccinated travellers arriving from very-high risk countries has ceased"

 

.https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/netherlands-decision-to-end-quarantine-for-high-risk-countries-becomes-effective/

Interestingly, Thailand is not on that Dutch list of very-high risk countries. I'm hoping, probably in vain, the the UK looks at this and follows suit. Of course that would only benefit people going to UK, the multiple hurdles to get into Thailand would remain.

5 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

What's the betting that the 'double vaxxed' requirement will be changed at the eleventh hour to double vaxxed with last shot no more than 6 months before date of entry ... if longer, then antibody titre test also required!

Oh don't give them any more stupid ideas PLEASE!!!!

Even a 48 hour quarantine would limit Thailand to less than 100,000 tourists in a years time. Too many countries are acting like real adults, and doing away with draconian restrictions. The (supposedly powerful) Thai army leaders seem to be some of the weakest, least courageous, fearful and most paranoid men on the planet. They are an abomination. A boil on the face of the nation, wreaking havoc with the economy and destroying lives.

 

Prayuth appears to be doing everything in his power to bring unhappiness to the people, wreck the economy and permanently destroy the tourism industry. Perhaps they figure they can build it back from stretch, without any nightlife? A fake puritan version of Thailand?

 

 

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by spidermike007

20 hours ago, Salerno said:

You don't expect 100% clarity with the state of politics &  journalism as they are now do you? 555

 

Basically sounds like they're looking to go back to the way it was for a short time around May.

100% clarity is a 100% rarity in the country in question

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Common sense would see the following... 

 

- Vaccinated arrivals no quarantine 

- Pre-flight PCR test requirement

- Arrival PCR test requirement (24 hr home / hotel quarantine until negative result 

 

 

 

 

1. Lateral flow is sufficient for fully vaccinated visitors. Why? Testing is not really needed once the population is vaccinated, but until then a pre-flight LFT is sufficient.

2. No quarantine for fully vaccinated. Why? Because any positives are eliminated at pre-flight test.

3. No covid insurance. Why? They are never hospitalised for covid (if comorbidities, it can be a different story).

4. Many changes can be made to simplify the permission to stay.

5. A credible plan to restore and enhance the tourist sector, "build back better" applies to infrastructure and staff.

 

I am a fully vaccinated ,previously 'man-down' with covid man who aims to be a two week miillionaire in Patts over Christmas so even 1 day quarantine would be a day too long.

I, along with my several other two week millionaire pals will NOT be there at Christmas if even 1 day asq is still rearing it's ugly head.

 

No bars open for those that like a beer on holiday plus the curfew and then the UK red list meaning a £2000 quarantine on returning back home.......what a ridiculous notion old chap.

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Common sense would see the following... 

 

- Vaccinated arrivals no quarantine 

- Pre-flight PCR test requirement

- Arrival PCR test requirement (24 hr home / hotel quarantine until negative result is known)

 

Only until 70% of the population if vaccinated with an ‘effective’ vaccine (i.e. not Sinpharm / Sinovac, but with Pfizer, Moderna - vaccines of >90% efficacy) 

 

- Non vaccinated individuals (with out a medical certificate that they have a vaccine allergy etc) still quarantine (thats their choice). 

 

 

 

 

What is that, "common sense"?

24 minutes ago, Ty Hareways said:

I am a fully vaccinated ,previously 'man-down' with covid man who aims to be a two week miillionaire in Patts over Christmas so even 1 day quarantine would be a day too long.

I, along with my several other two week millionaire pals will NOT be there at Christmas if even 1 day asq is still rearing it's ugly head.

 

Try Blackpool instead.