Anutin confirms reopening plan: Tourists must stay one night in place "where they can be contacted"

[poskat]

I am just imagining the delays that will be experienced by arriving tourists when a few international flights disgorge 500-600 people at relatively the same time.

 

do they really think that they can handle testing all those people without having people waiting hours to be tested?

 

and imagine all the mix-ups that will occur with whose samples are whose, plus all the false positives that will  occur...

 

[HansumFarang]

40 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

PCR tests and 1 day quarantine is necessary to ensure tourists do not have covid.  The vaccine does not nullify being able to receive/ spread covid. 

 

Yeah, if zero fully-vaccinated tourists come, they can't spread their farang germs to hotel employees. The hotel employees are saved! 

[HappyExpat57]

28 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

And imagine you travel, doubled vaccinated plus your negative test before flying to Thailand and arriving here, they give you a positive test result.

 

Nightmare:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-lab-suspended-after-false-negative-covid-tests-2021-10-15/

This is why you get Covid insurance that covers this sort of thing. Quite a racket!

[Geoffggi]

26 minutes ago, gt162 said:

 

Eliminate the 1 night quarantine at ASQ hotel and replace it with rapid PCR test at the airport. If done right this can be done in 15-30 minutes.

 

This is doable and acceptable for both Thai government and foreigners/travelers/tourists. It should help with tourism.

Stop being logical, how can the government receive a pat on the back and a nice brown envelope from the BKK hoteliers association for all the additional one night stays. .....................LOL  

[HappyExpat57]

19 minutes ago, HansumFarang said:

"No alcohol!"

 

"Must pay for Thai quarantine hotel!"

 

"Must pay for Thai PCR test!"

 

"Must pay for Thai insurance!"

 

"Must fill in Thai paperwork!"

 

"What you mean, you not come?! Thailand special!!!"

You forgot "Must be back in room by 11:00 pm!"

[JCP108]

3 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

This is why you get Covid insurance that covers this sort of thing. Quite a racket!

I can imagine some Covid insurance policies not covering you if you simply test positive but are asymptomatic. Could end up being a big out-of-pocket expense. 

[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

I can imagine some Covid insurance policies not covering you if you simply test positive but are asymptomatic. Could end up being a big out-of-pocket expense. 

One must scrutinize the policy very carefully.

Edited October 19, 2021 by HappyExpat57

[JCP108]

"He did not refer to this as quarantine by name." So, if we don't call it quarantine, it's not quarantine. 

[RafPinto]

Cases on the rise in many countries and soon winter.

 

UK

Russia

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/new-zealand-covid-cases-rise-to-new-record-as-young-people-bear-brunt-of-infections

 

 

[smedly]

31 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

It's not the double- and triple-vaccinated travelers that pose a risk to Thailand. It's the un-vaccinated populace of Thailand that poses a risk to the travelers. Just require a test before flight and proof of vaccine. Do that, and you might save some of the high season this year. 

in a nutshell - nothing more to say on this topic, you covered it all

[smedly]

14 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

"He did not refer to this as quarantine by name." So, if we don't call it quarantine, it's not quarantine. 

quack 

[smedly]

I wonder how long it will take for them to realise their plan is not working and tourists will not accept all the nonsense conditions

 

They should know already just looking at the abject sandbox failure as it unfolded and collapsed in Phuket

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Captain Monday said:

So what is new for 23 years I have been putting my contact info on my arrival card?

Since whenever I had to give it again as a TM-30. Fit-to-Fly must be a gaffe. No other country used that nonsense as far as I know.

 

Many like myself put any hotel they found on The Lonely Planet as the initial address, but looked for a place after they arrived.

 

How about those that don't want to wait in Bkk first night but catch the train to the south ( or north ). Will "on train somewhere between Bkk and Surathani" suffice?

 

Surely they can't be serious about wanting tourists if they keep inventing new BS like this?

[Optimistictoday]

Sounds like he is laying the groundwork for election to a higher position ?

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, JCP108 said:

They won't in the U.S. even for $150. 

They will in Holland, for free.

[sqwakvfr]

Having 2 PCR tests within 96 hours is overkill.  If one gets infected during travel to LOS it is unlikely the infection will show up on a PCR test immediately upon arrival.  If the Thai Government really wants to ensure arrivals are Covid free then the ideal time to conduct a PCR test is probably between day 3 to day 7.  In essence a 5 to 7 day quarantine would be what this government would really need to implement.  If things go 'south" after November 1 I see the probability of a 5 to 7 day quarantine being implemented.  

[sapson]

1 hour ago, gt162 said:

 

Eliminate the 1 night quarantine at ASQ hotel and replace it with rapid PCR test at the airport. If done right this can be done in 15-30 minutes.

 

This is doable and acceptable for both Thai government and foreigners/travelers/tourists. It should help with tourism.

That would involve common sense and easing up on the xenophobia.

 

Tourists are at far more risk of contracting Covid from the largely untested and only partially vaccinated Thais.

[stigar]

19 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

They will in Holland, for free.

In norway too.U get a PCR test at ur locak hospital and he will issue fit to fly if ur negative.PCR for free.

[madmen]

1 hour ago, bdenner said:

This BS is not only applying to Tourists! I have a Thai friend returning from the UK early next month, she is fully vacced and had to jump through all the hoops as well as prepay a 7 day quarantine hotel booking. On hearing of the one day thingy she contacted the hotel for confirmation = they were very vague but stated she would not be getting a full refund on the unused days!

She will be issued with credit. Same thing happened when it was cut from 14 to 7 

Travellers were able to use 7 days credit for food and drinks. 

Hotels and airliners are quick to take cash but...... 

[kwonitoy]

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

So what is new for 23 years I have been putting my contact info on my arrival card?

Since whenever I had to give it again as a TM-30. Fit-to-Fly must be a gaffe. No other country used that nonsense as far as I know.

 

Canada

 

I'm flying tomorrow, have to document my vaccinations and show PCR test less than 72 hours old on the ArrivCan app.

 

If I don't it's a 14 day quarantine. Still subject to random testing in Vancouver on arrival and I have to test my 10 year old unvaccinated son after 8 days in Canada.

 

PCR tests in Udon Thani 4500 baht each for my son and me. The problem is time. Got tested Monday at 8:00am, spent about 1 and half hours watching them fill in paperwork until we got swabbed. Results available Tuesday morning so that's 24 hours gone.

 

Fly to Bangkok tonight, only two flights available. Fly out Bangkok 7:00am, now I've used up 48 hours of my 72. 

 

28 hours transit time from Bangkok to Vancouver, so in real time I'm over my 72 hour limit. 

 

The only saving grace against the clock is the international date line clicking back a day.

 

Hopefully it's the last time I step foot into an airport and a airplane in my lifetime.

Edited October 19, 2021 by kwonitoy

[Captain Monday]

9 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

Canada

 

I'm flying tomorrow, have to document my vaccinations and show PCR test less than 72 hours old on the ArrivCan app.

If I don't it's a 14 day quarantine. Still subject to random testing in Vancouver on arrival and I have to test my 10 year old unvaccinated son after 8 days in Canada.

 

PCR tests in Udon Thani 4500 baht each for my son and me. The problem is time. Got tested Monday at 8:00am, spent about 1 and half hours watching them fill in paperwork until we got swabbed. Results available Tuesday morning so that's 12 hours gone. Fly to Bangkok tonight, only two flights available. Fly out Bangkok 7:00am, now I've used up 24 hours of my 72. 

28 hours transit time from Bangkok to Vancouver, the only saving grace against the clock is the international date line clicking back a day.

 

Hopefully it's the last time I step foot into an airport and a airplane in my lifetime.

You are confusing a required PCR test with a Fit to Fly Certificate signed by a Doctor. Both, separate documents  were required by Thailand until Apr 1 2021 Now only a preflight PCR test is required.

 

I have seen Fit to Fly documents as a pilot for many years. They are required for very pregnant women (forget how many weeks), very sick or aged looking people who must travel with an assistant, recent surgery or accident victims with casts, pins sticking out of their bones braces etc to prove they can sit upright for takeoff for takeoff and landing, and what class of service. Nothing to do with a virus and it was a big waste of money, cash cow for others for about a year. 

 

If they want a Doctor to sign, or a separate validation of test result result they just should mandate it. Basically what Japan does now.

 

 

MEDIF.pdf

Edited October 19, 2021 by Captain Monday

[kwonitoy]

Just now, Captain Monday said:

You are confusing a required PCR test with a Fit to Fly Certificate signed by a Doctor.

Both, separate documents  were required by Thailand until Apr 1 2021 Now only a preflight PCR test is required.

I just picked mine up at the hospital and I got both the PCR and the Fit to Fly cert, it's a package deal I think

[drenddy]

43 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Having 2 PCR tests within 96 hours is overkill.  If one gets infected during travel to LOS it is unlikely the infection will show up on a PCR test immediately upon arrival.  If the Thai Government really wants to ensure arrivals are Covid free then the ideal time to conduct a PCR test is probably between day 3 to day 7.  In essence a 5 to 7 day quarantine would be what this government would really need to implement.  If things go 'south" after November 1 I see the probability of a 5 to 7 day quarantine being implemented.  

  Quarantine, when covid already is in high numbers?

  Where is the science in that?

[lolalol]

I think like.... people will like..... not come to Thailand....

[drenddy]

34 minutes ago, stigar said:

In norway too.U get a PCR test at ur locak hospital and he will issue fit to fly if ur negative.PCR for free.

  Free? Same in Denmark, on loan, of course, the madness of testing 250 k every day in Denmark will cost future generations...But at least you have oil.

[law ling]

1. As usual: a seemingly promising and positive announcement (albeit with insufficient detail) near the end of a month ... just to encourage destroyed businesses to pay another month's useless rent.

 

2. They delight in minute details for airport arrivals - and good luck to them - but I suspect a greater danger to the Thai public lies in illegal, on-foot arrivals from adjacent countries, which I presume still takes place ... constantly adding new infections, if not new varients, to the only vaxed to 30-40% (?) local population.

[david555]

No matter all comments above on 2 pages , or what we hope ...., those measures shall stick to us for a long time.

As already in U.K. there is an expansional drastic rise in contagion , and E.U. shall probably  follow ...if not already started slow!

 

So we shall have to take it as it comes....and live with it  

Edited October 19, 2021 by david555

[Captain Monday]

8 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

I just picked mine up at the hospital and I got both the PCR and the Fit to Fly cert, it's a package deal I think

Good as long as they don't charge extra for it. Dr. Donna in BKK includes Fit to Fly with her test results.

 

 

 

[lolalol]

1 minute ago, law ling said:

1. As usual: a seemingly promising and positive announcement (albeit with insufficient detail) near the end of a month ... just to encourage destroyed businesses to pay another month's useless rent.

 

2. They delight in minute details for airport arrivals - and good luck to them - but I suspect a greater danger to the Thai public lies in illegal, on-foot arrivals from adjacent countries, which I presume still takes place ... constantly adding new infections, if not new varients, to the only vaxed to 30-40% (?) local population.

 

I actually know of one kebab restaurant that just opened this year. 

 

I personally haven't seen a single customer buying or dining in the shop. 

 

Lately I see the restaurants' lights off in normal business hours. 

 

Maybe they really thought they could make it. 

 

Believing in all the promising forecast. 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

What are the profit margins on antigen vs PCR?  With PCR Thailand govt gets a guaranteed ASQ Hotel Stay.  Their way seems more profitable.

The info just released seems to indicate arrivals can stay anywhere for the one night as long as the arrivals provide a means of contacting them.