Just reading the below link and couldn't help notice that the infections in the UK have surged once again.

 

So what is install for the rest of the world, Thailand is nowhere near the UK or even Australia when it comes to vaccinations.

 

Do the governments know something that we don't, i.e. is it best to open up to kickstart the economies before the ships sink, regardless of further potential surges in infections/deaths, or is this the only real way to deal with Covid now that the masses have been vaccinated.

 

I ask this because it sure doesn't look like it's going to work looking at the UK for example, in my opinion.

 

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/new-variant-no-masks-whats-driving-uks-covid-19-crisis-as-cases-spiral-out-of-control-c-4317835?fbclid=IwAR3f8gVbt3cmQBOCzNxrd3DZvXjKkYgnzSwWPyLQK4CfZsZTae2UrguDazs

 

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Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling.

 

Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me.....

 

"Hope springs eternal"... I suppose

It's not just the UK, many places are seeing infections rise,

and with a new variant out , which they say is 10% easier

to be infected  with, and with colder weather coming on

for the West ,not good.

regards Worgeordie

21 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

is it best to open up to kickstart the economies before the ships sink, regardless of further potential surges in infections/deaths,

IMO yes.

So 50K in the UK, thats getting worrying. Any indication if its mainly the unvaccinated or schoolkids?

The virus flares up for 2 months, then rests for 2 months, then flares up again for 2 months, etc. REGARDLESS of everything that is done to prevent it fron recurring. The only good news is that vaccines seem to prevent severe cases. I hope the latter is not just an illusion.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO yes.

This will be the new norm.

47 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said:

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Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling.

 

Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me.....

 

"Hope springs eternal"... I suppose

Yeah, much better to listen to internet warriors and misinformation on social media.  Jeez.

The current one will be replaced by one with a new mutations/variants, as is being seen in Spain, Africa and part of Euro.

This will continue for several years, and booster vaccinations will be required.

Cases will surge and deaths will continue especially in the unvaxxed communities, and in vaccine poor nations

33 minutes ago, hackjam said:

So 50K in the UK, thats getting worrying. Any indication if its mainly the unvaccinated or schoolkids?

Both as well as double vaxxed persons, however double vaxxed less likely to hospitalisation and ventilation. The concern is the "long" Covid effects on cardiac and renal functions

53 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said:

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Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling.

 

Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me.....

 

"Hope springs eternal"... I suppose

and your qualifications, experience and peer reviewed research,  in infectious diseases, epidemiology, biology are far superior to all the health scientists across the globe .

 

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO yes.

Stunning you are so open to allowing more to die.  But make sense based on your posts over the past year or so.  A covid denier for sure.

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

and your qualifications, experience and peer reviewed research,  in infectious diseases, epidemiology, biology are far superior to all the health scientists across the globe .

 

The post is criticism of Governments rather than health scientist's . 

It will end..........it is the time scale that is uncertain.

 

Remember there are still 20 million not fully vaccinated in the UK........20 million!

 

That is going to result in huge numbers of infections for many, many months (years?).

3 minutes ago, itsari said:

The post is criticism of Governments rather than health scientist's . 

Governments are composed of health scientists.  Many of whom set the policy.  Ridiculous to be so critical when this is a new virus, worst pandemic in a century, etc, etc, etc.  Keyboard warriors are the worst.

41 minutes ago, JackGats said:

The virus flares up for 2 months, then rests for 2 months, then flares up again for 2 months, etc. REGARDLESS of everything that is done to prevent it fron recurring. The only good news is that vaccines seem to prevent severe cases. I hope the latter is not just an illusion.

 

 

The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not .

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Governments are composed of health scientists.  Many of whom set the policy.  Ridiculous to be so critical when this is a new virus, worst pandemic in a century, etc, etc, etc.  Keyboard warriors are the worst.

Governments employ the services of health scientists for advise . That advise is often not broadcast to the masses .

4 minutes ago, itsari said:

The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not .

You mean deaths due to infection?

 

They are a fraction of the number of deaths before the vaccination roll out in the UK.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

You mean deaths due to infection?

 

They are a fraction of the number of deaths before the vaccination roll out in the UK.

 Fatalities from fully vaccinated  is what I meant .

Just now, itsari said:

 Fatalities from fully vaccinated  is what I meant .

So let's assume ALL the deaths recorded are fully vaccinated........they are still a fraction of the deaths before the vaccine roll out.....?????

9 minutes ago, itsari said:

The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not .

It's not an illusion if you follow the science.

6 minutes ago, itsari said:

Governments employ the services of health scientists for advise . That advise is often not broadcast to the masses .

BS.  I saw Fauci on the TV almost every day.  He's a true hero.  Sad some don't understand this.  A man who's committed his life to public service, and, an expert in this area.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

So let's assume ALL the deaths recorded are fully vaccinated........they are still a fraction of the deaths before the vaccine roll out.....?????

That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine .

1 minute ago, itsari said:

That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine .

Fair enough.....but don't forget the "vaccine paradox".

 

If the vast majority of a population are vaccinated and the minority unvaccinated (some of whom could still be immunized through natural infection), then the number of vaccinated people becoming infected, hospitalized or dying could/should(?) exceed those of the unvaccinated population.

4 minutes ago, itsari said:

That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine .

What media do you read?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/15/health/cdc-covid-risk-higher-unvaccinated/index.html

 

New CDC data shows the risk of dying from Covid-19 is 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

BS.  I saw Fauci on the TV almost every day.  He's a true hero.  Sad some don't understand this.  A man who's committed his life to public service, and, an expert in this area.

BS ? , can you be more specific ?

I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . 

Many have a totally different opinion about the man .

We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . 

That does not make us above scrutiny 

1 minute ago, itsari said:

BS ? , can you be more specific ?

I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . 

Many have a totally different opinion about the man .

We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . 

That does not make us above scrutiny 

If you doubt Fauci, then you're reading the wrong news.  Where do you get your information?

3 minutes ago, itsari said:

BS ? , can you be more specific ?

I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . 

Many have a totally different opinion about the man .

We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . 

That does not make us above scrutiny 

 The list of people who might have been under more scrutiny than Fauci must be quite short.

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

If you doubt Fauci, then you're reading the wrong news.  Where do you get your information?

I am not qualified to make a statement about the man . I can just mention that there are many in the world that do not agree with his statement's  on the origin of covid 19 for example .