Will this pandemic ever end as the infections in the UK surge again.

[itsari]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 The list of people who might have been under more scrutiny than Fauci must be quite short.

Not so short . Many are his own countryman 

 

[itsari]

7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

If you doubt Fauci, then you're reading the wrong news.  Where do you get your information?

Lets put it this way , i try to steer clear of the Murdock influence 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, itsari said:

Not so short . Many are his own countryman 

 

Not by courts of law....I meant by Congress.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, itsari said:

Lets put it this way , i try to steer clear of the Murdock influence 

Not easy in this day age...sadly.

[HeijoshinCool]

36 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yeah, much better to listen to internet warriors and misinformation on social media.  Jeez.

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I also pay zero attention to that sector. I have never been on social media, and never will be. I do not watch the news. I barely watch TV. I do not go to conspiracy websites. I rarely access the internet, except now, while in ASQ.

 

I do however have backgrounds and experience in biology and chemistry (BS degree), as a paramedic, and law enforcement as a deputy, later a detective.

 

Why would I put my trust in absolute strangers? Ranters and conspiracy theorists and fanatics and those seeking financial gain, any more than I would the media and elected/appointed officials on both sides of the aisle who have lied to us in the past on many occasions and 'experts' who have been wrong in the past?

 

None are worthy of our consideration. All have agendas geared towards the acquisition of money and/or power.

 

What others believe, whatever their camp, is typically based on finding forms of support for what they want to believe, then espousing it. 

 

I read the most reliable data I can source, determine its veracity, and draw any reasonable conclusions from it that I can.

 

But mostly, I use my long study of human nature to reach a conclusion......

 

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Chivas]

Its surging in the Uk with infections the worst in the world and infection rate more than the rest of Europe combined simply because we have a "populist" catastrophic clown running the show namely the Johnson

[HeijoshinCool]

59 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

and your qualifications, experience and peer reviewed research,  in infectious diseases, epidemiology, biology are far superior to all the health scientists across the globe .

 

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My income does not come from grants, and I have no investment in pharmaceutical companies, and I have no desire to control anyone's life but my own.

Edited October 24, 2021 by HeijoshinCool

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, itsari said:

I am not qualified to make a statement about the man . I can just mention that there are many in the world that do not agree with his statement's  on the origin of covid 19 for example .

 

The origin of covid is unknown.  But to bash Fauci for any other reason is BS. We're learning more and more about this virus every day. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/16/heres-what-dr-fauci-has-said-about-covids-origins-and-the-lab-leak-theory/?sh=3915bd8fa853

 

Fauci tells CNN he still believes “the most likely origin is from an animal species to a human but I keep an absolutely open mind that there may be other origins,” adding, “It could have been a lab leak.”

[itsari]

18 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Not easy in this day age...sadly.

Yes, i agree , but i still read some of his material . You need to read more than one point of view and that has become so much easier with the internet .

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, itsari said:

Yes, i agree , but i still read some of his material . You need to read more than one point of view and that has become so much easier with the internet .

Most of the info on the internet is misinformation.  Be careful what you read.

[itsari]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The origin of covid is unknown.  But to bash Fauci for any other reason is BS. We're learning more and more about this virus every day. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/16/heres-what-dr-fauci-has-said-about-covids-origins-and-the-lab-leak-theory/?sh=3915bd8fa853

 

Fauci tells CNN he still believes “the most likely origin is from an animal species to a human but I keep an absolutely open mind that there may be other origins,” adding, “It could have been a lab leak.”

Fauci also denies any US government funding of the French built laboratory in Wuhan . Others say something different .

Again , i have no idea what the truth is . I just read . 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

34 minutes ago, itsari said:

I am not qualified to make a statement about the man . I can just mention that there are many in the world that do not agree with his statement's  on the origin of covid 19 for example .

 

He has said that he thinks it is probably of animal origin but that it may have come via a lab leak and he is keeping an open mind on the matter.

 

What is there to disagree with in that?

[HeijoshinCool]

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So sorry, Jeff, that my cogent and clear reply to you confused you....

 

I will try harder next time.

[itsari]

3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

He has said that he thinks it is probably of animal origin but that it may have come via a lab leak and he is keeping an open mind on the matter.

 

What is there to disagree with in that?

That is his professional opinion , other professionals do not  agree with him . 

[GroveHillWanderer]

10 minutes ago, itsari said:

Fauci also denies any US government funding of the French built laboratory in Wuhan . Others say something different .

Again , i have no idea what the truth is . I just read . 

Absolutely untrue. He has publicly acknowledged it, as the article below clearly states.

 

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Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has admitted that the US gave the Wuhan, China lab hundreds of thousands of dollars for research. 

Fauci remarks on Wuhan lab funding

[JackGats]

48 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Fair enough.....but don't forget the "vaccine paradox".

 

If the vast majority of a population are vaccinated and the minority unvaccinated (some of whom could still be immunized through natural infection), then the number of vaccinated people becoming infected, hospitalized or dying could/should(?) exceed those of the unvaccinated population.

This is true and it is the point the media make most often these days. However the narrative has changed a few times. A few months ago the narrative was "nearly all hospitalised people are non vaccinated". Now the narrative is something like  "ok, a lot of vaccinated patients in hospitals, but mostly very old patients", or alternatively (in countries where the vaccination rate is very high): "no wonder most patients in hospital are vaccinated, since most people in the country are".

 

In the end, what matters is how many people get severely ill in spite of being vaccinated (forget the unvaccinated, let's say they deserve it). But if you get full hospitals in spite of a successful vaccination campaign, that's bad whichever way you interpret the stats.

[itsari]

5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

He has said that he thinks it is probably of animal origin but that it may have come via a lab leak and he is keeping an open mind on the matter.

 

What is there to disagree with in that?

The disagreements lie in the broad answer and the question of the funding given to the laboratory built by the French in Wuhan China .

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, itsari said:

That is his professional opinion , other professionals do not  agree with him . 

He has literally covered all the bases, and has not committed to a specific theory of how it arose. Anyone who says that know for certain how it came about, is lying.

[itsari]

3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Absolutely untrue. He has publicly acknowledged it, as the article below clearly states.

 

Fauci remarks on Wuhan lab funding

Yes , but what the research involved 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

interesting but dead end / disproved theory WillB, hardly useful or constructive either, disproved by empirical 97% covid hospital deaths in US / UK being unvaxxed.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, itsari said:

The disagreements lie in the broad answer and the question of the funding given to the laboratory built by the French in Wuhan China .

As I just pointed out (and provided evidence for) Fauci has clearly stated that the US provided funding to the Wuhan lab.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, itsari said:

Yes , but what the research involved 

Make your mind up. You said he denied the US had given funds to the Wuhan lab. That's untrue.

[itsari]

Just now, GroveHillWanderer said:

As I just pointed out (and provided evidence for) Fauci has clearly stated that the US provided funding to the Wuhan lab.

Yes, but what was the funding involved with ?

Fauci denies any research to do with covid . 

Many say something different .

Close to two years has passed and no real conclusion on the start of this virus . 

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Stunning you are so open to allowing more to die.  But make sense based on your posts over the past year or so.  A covid denier for sure.

Apologies, I thought it was me you were replying too, so edited reply.

Edited October 24, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I ask this because it sure doesn't look like it's going to work looking at the UK for example, in my opinion

The UK government has abandoned any pretense of even trying to restrict the spread of the coronavirus. It would be amazing if cases were not rising.

[bestie]

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Will this pandemic ever end as the infections in the UK surge again.

No, and it could get worse in the near future. Like Bill Gates said: Wait until the next pandemic.

[4MyEgo]

53 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The origin of covid is unknown.  But to bash Fauci for any other reason is BS. We're learning more and more about this virus every day. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/16/heres-what-dr-fauci-has-said-about-covids-origins-and-the-lab-leak-theory/?sh=3915bd8fa853

 

Fauci tells CNN he still believes “the most likely origin is from an animal species to a human but I keep an absolutely open mind that there may be other origins,” adding, “It could have been a lab leak.”

I believe Fauci has lost a lot of credibility of late with the NIH confirming that grants were given for Game of Function research whereas Fauci said he didn't provide funds for Game of Function, not to mention what transpired in 2017 after Obama put a stop on it in 2014, don't need to explain myself on that I believe ?

 

https://news.yahoo.com/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-125103852.html

 

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research

Edited October 24, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[Oblomov]

The higher numbers in the UK are predominantly school children and students and the UK is very keen that a generation of students and their very important educations are not ruined - the enforced vaccination of children poses problems and cannot simply be mandated by governments so expect the numbers to remain high until natural antibodies occur. Vaccinations are increasing in these groups, who make up the vast majority of those yet vaccinated.

 

As others here point out here, personal responsibility for better health  as well as boosters, especially  for vulnerable groups, will go on and these cycles of increase and decrease will be with us all forever. What people outside UK are probably not aware of is that UK tests over a million people per day approx., so of course can find 50k infections. Other countries are testing 50k a day and finding 10k infections - the testing in UK is done more for genome sequencing and developing 'tweaked' vaccines.

 

I read a book some years ago about this and other viruses (24 others)  and how they would seek bridges over into humans given the right conditions - it's a great pity preventative protocols weren't rolled out globally with the vehemence of the reaction to it. 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, itsari said:

I never post second hand information .

Look for your self .

 

Ridiculous.  Afraid to show where you get your info. I can guess.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, itsari said:

The disagreements lie in the broad answer and the question of the funding given to the laboratory built by the French in Wuhan China .

Post a link proving this.  Otherwise, BS.