4MyEgo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Just reading the below link and couldn't help notice that the infections in the UK have surged once again. So what is install for the rest of the world, Thailand is nowhere near the UK or even Australia when it comes to vaccinations. Do the governments know something that we don't, i.e. is it best to open up to kickstart the economies before the ships sink, regardless of further potential surges in infections/deaths, or is this the only real way to deal with Covid now that the masses have been vaccinated. I ask this because it sure doesn't look like it's going to work looking at the UK for example, in my opinion. https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/new-variant-no-masks-whats-driving-uks-covid-19-crisis-as-cases-spiral-out-of-control-c-4317835?fbclid=IwAR3f8gVbt3cmQBOCzNxrd3DZvXjKkYgnzSwWPyLQK4CfZsZTae2UrguDazs Edited October 24, 2021 by 4MyEgo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeijoshinCool Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 . Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling. Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me..... "Hope springs eternal"... I suppose 8 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 It's not just the UK, many places are seeing infections rise, and with a new variant out , which they say is 10% easier to be infected with, and with colder weather coming on for the West ,not good. regards Worgeordie 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: is it best to open up to kickstart the economies before the ships sink, regardless of further potential surges in infections/deaths, IMO yes. 7 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackjam Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 So 50K in the UK, thats getting worrying. Any indication if its mainly the unvaccinated or schoolkids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JackGats Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 The virus flares up for 2 months, then rests for 2 months, then flares up again for 2 months, etc. REGARDLESS of everything that is done to prevent it fron recurring. The only good news is that vaccines seem to prevent severe cases. I hope the latter is not just an illusion. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 A post containing misinformation or conspiracy theory rhetoric has been removed, along with quoted replies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO yes. This will be the new norm. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said: . Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling. Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me..... "Hope springs eternal"... I suppose Yeah, much better to listen to internet warriors and misinformation on social media. Jeez. 12 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 The current one will be replaced by one with a new mutations/variants, as is being seen in Spain, Africa and part of Euro. This will continue for several years, and booster vaccinations will be required. Cases will surge and deaths will continue especially in the unvaxxed communities, and in vaccine poor nations 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, hackjam said: So 50K in the UK, thats getting worrying. Any indication if its mainly the unvaccinated or schoolkids? Both as well as double vaxxed persons, however double vaxxed less likely to hospitalisation and ventilation. The concern is the "long" Covid effects on cardiac and renal functions 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said: . Yes, the governments know a lot they are not telling. Why anyone would trust their 'leaders' to do what is best for their citizens in these days and times is beyond me..... "Hope springs eternal"... I suppose and your qualifications, experience and peer reviewed research, in infectious diseases, epidemiology, biology are far superior to all the health scientists across the globe . 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO yes. Stunning you are so open to allowing more to die. But make sense based on your posts over the past year or so. A covid denier for sure. 4 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: and your qualifications, experience and peer reviewed research, in infectious diseases, epidemiology, biology are far superior to all the health scientists across the globe . The post is criticism of Governments rather than health scientist's . 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 It will end..........it is the time scale that is uncertain. Remember there are still 20 million not fully vaccinated in the UK........20 million! That is going to result in huge numbers of infections for many, many months (years?). 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, itsari said: The post is criticism of Governments rather than health scientist's . Governments are composed of health scientists. Many of whom set the policy. Ridiculous to be so critical when this is a new virus, worst pandemic in a century, etc, etc, etc. Keyboard warriors are the worst. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, JackGats said: The virus flares up for 2 months, then rests for 2 months, then flares up again for 2 months, etc. REGARDLESS of everything that is done to prevent it fron recurring. The only good news is that vaccines seem to prevent severe cases. I hope the latter is not just an illusion. The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said: Governments are composed of health scientists. Many of whom set the policy. Ridiculous to be so critical when this is a new virus, worst pandemic in a century, etc, etc, etc. Keyboard warriors are the worst. Governments employ the services of health scientists for advise . That advise is often not broadcast to the masses . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, itsari said: The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not . You mean deaths due to infection? They are a fraction of the number of deaths before the vaccination roll out in the UK. Edited October 24, 2021 by Will B Good 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Will B Good said: You mean deaths due to infection? They are a fraction of the number of deaths before the vaccination roll out in the UK. Fatalities from fully vaccinated is what I meant . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just now, itsari said: Fatalities from fully vaccinated is what I meant . So let's assume ALL the deaths recorded are fully vaccinated........they are still a fraction of the deaths before the vaccine roll out.....????? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, itsari said: The latter you mention is hard to find the facts if it is an illusion or not . It's not an illusion if you follow the science. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, itsari said: Governments employ the services of health scientists for advise . That advise is often not broadcast to the masses . BS. I saw Fauci on the TV almost every day. He's a true hero. Sad some don't understand this. A man who's committed his life to public service, and, an expert in this area. 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Will B Good said: So let's assume ALL the deaths recorded are fully vaccinated........they are still a fraction of the deaths before the vaccine roll out.....????? That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, itsari said: That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine . Fair enough.....but don't forget the "vaccine paradox". If the vast majority of a population are vaccinated and the minority unvaccinated (some of whom could still be immunized through natural infection), then the number of vaccinated people becoming infected, hospitalized or dying could/should(?) exceed those of the unvaccinated population. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, itsari said: That makes sense what you say . However it is hard to pick up what the facts are on the media i read to differentiate between fully vaccinated and fatalities with no vaccine . What media do you read? https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/15/health/cdc-covid-risk-higher-unvaccinated/index.html New CDC data shows the risk of dying from Covid-19 is 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: BS. I saw Fauci on the TV almost every day. He's a true hero. Sad some don't understand this. A man who's committed his life to public service, and, an expert in this area. BS ? , can you be more specific ? I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . Many have a totally different opinion about the man . We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . That does not make us above scrutiny 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, itsari said: BS ? , can you be more specific ? I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . Many have a totally different opinion about the man . We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . That does not make us above scrutiny If you doubt Fauci, then you're reading the wrong news. Where do you get your information? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, itsari said: BS ? , can you be more specific ? I do not believe your mention of Fauci strengthens your argument . Many have a totally different opinion about the man . We all give our lives to a service and often rewarded with a monthly salary . That does not make us above scrutiny The list of people who might have been under more scrutiny than Fauci must be quite short. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said: If you doubt Fauci, then you're reading the wrong news. Where do you get your information? I am not qualified to make a statement about the man . I can just mention that there are many in the world that do not agree with his statement's on the origin of covid 19 for example . 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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