Enlarged prostate treatment (Rezum)

[sapson]

17 hours ago, Bvor said:

i'm stuck in oz, attached is my swanson stinging nettle root online order with Iherb. 

Thanks for the information.

[sapson]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

iHerb, mine came via Germany, takes around 2 weeks for delivery to Thailand (but they always say 4 weeks).

Thanks appreciated.

[fredscats]

Kicking the can down the road   get it chopped

[chakatee]

Bangkok Pattaya Hospital does it, they have some poster about package price in their hallway.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, fredscats said:

Kicking the can down the road   get it chopped

1 in 8 people who get it chopped suffer incontinence and/or impotence for the rest of their life.

You need to ask yourself, "Do you feel Lucky?" ......

Edited December 17, 2021 by BritManToo

[fredscats]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

1 in 8 people who get it chopped suffer incontinence and/or impotence for the rest of their life.

You need to ask yourself, "Do you feel Lucky?" ......

Better than pissing your pants day in,day out...but yes I do

[ozimoron]

22 hours ago, sapson said:

What are the pills called are they simply stinging nettle root extract 500mg and where can you buy them ? online only?

 

Thanks

This is the one you want. I paid a stinging AUD $22.50 per bottle on eBay in Australia.

 

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-stinging-nettle-root-500-mg-100-caps

[ozimoron]

I'd suggest that anyone over about 55 or 60 should get an ultrasound to check their prostate. I am 67 and had some blood in urine one time so the doc sent me for an ultrasound. That showed I had BPH but I had no idea until they told me. I did notice over recent years that I urinate a lot but didn't connect the dots. After seeing this thread I ordered the stinging nettle root. It's possibly a bit early to tell if they are effective but I do notice I urinate a lot less often since taking them.

 

Apparently almost all men suffer enlarged prostate as they grow older. Bottom line, if you are getting on in years, don't wait to be told, add this supplement to the long list of medications you already take.

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's possibly a bit early to tell if they are effective but I do notice I urinate a lot less often since taking them.

I noticed a difference the first day I took a tablet.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, fredscats said:

Kicking the can down the road   get it chopped

It depends upon what you mean by "get it chopped"?

 

Having a TURP can involve some side effects, but nonlifethreatening and these days incontinence after having a TURP is minimal (can be a different scenario altogether if one has the prostate removed).

 

The problem with prostate problems is manifold, in as much as BPH can mean that you can't pass water, or that you get an immediate urge to do it and have to be within metres of a toilet!

 

Medicines can help with this problem, and as you can see from the posts on this thread folks are desperate to also try herbal/alternate remedies.

 

Different scenario altogether if one has cancer of the prostate or an extreme enlargement, which might involve removing it altogether and this is where the incontinence and erectile dysfunction scenarios come into play, or at least they did in the old days, but now there is the robotic surgery with the da Vinci machine and that to all intents and purposes is a "nerve sparing" operation, although it is still a major operation.

 

Prostate removal is the last thing anyone should consider, unless of course it is for cancer, when it becomes just about a necessity, however as I said the latest technology for this operation does limit any side effects.

 

So there has to be a lot of thought going into this and in most cases I have come across, including myself, the thought of taking a medicine/natural alternative to ease the situation is the number one consideration, although I did have a TURP about 11 years ago, and hoping that one can last up one's life taking a few tablets is preferential.

[fredscats]

It comes down to this....growth,large growth pushing on the pipe that leads to the bladder,chokes it off.  Needs pruning,release pressure on the pipe ,thats all

[silver sea]

Out of interest, has anyone tried kegel exercises, which increase the strength of the pelvic floor?

 

If you Google ‘do kegel exercises help prostate problems?’, you will get a whole list of articles: some in favour, some less so; some are about enlarged prostate, some about urinating too much and some relate to post cancer treatment.

 

Also, if you click on “videos”, at the top of your page, there are several short films to watch too.

 

As usual, the only way to know, I guess, is to try it yourself. Looks like you need to be patient and to do it for several weeks/months. That’s why I am wondering if other posters have experience of kegels, which they are willing to share ☺️????

 

Btw, it seems that kegel exercises can also help women tighten their pelvic floor, which may also please their man in the bedroom.

Edited December 17, 2021 by silver sea

[GarryP]

3 hours ago, chakatee said:

Bangkok Pattaya Hospital does it, they have some poster about package price in their hallway.

Good to see Bamrungrad has a competitor. It may bring the price down. 

[GarryP]

As I mentioned before, I had the Rezum treatment at Bamrungrad on 21 October. I was under full anesthetic so the treatment was painless (I have read that many doctors prefer going with full, rather than local, anesthetic because the treatment can be a bit painful and some patients find it difficult to tolerate). I had 4 steam injections of the prostate. For the first 7 days I was catheterized with a Foley catheter. As I am working from home it was not a big deal. When I had the catheter removed I continued taking tadalfil despite it not really helping (the Doc asked if I wanted to change . For the first couple of weeks there was a burning sensation and urinary urgency but the flow was getting worse. With this treatment, many clinic/hospital websites seem to indicate an improvement after two weeks, but the more reputable websites indicate that there will often be a worsening of the condition after two weeks and you do not return to pre-treatment levels until about 4 weeks after the treatment. In my case, I got much worse and ended up going in to see another doctor for medication as I was worried I would not be able to urinate at all (my doctor was not on duty that day). I was prescribed Saw Palmetto and Silodosin to help relieve my symptoms, but within 36 hours started to suffer from severe diarrhea so stopped taking the Silodosin. I battled away that week and went for my appointment a few days later. The doctor was worried that the Uroflow test was much weaker than pre-treatment so put me on 2 weeks of Xatral 10 mg (Alfuzosin). Luckily the Alfuzosin worked and I did not suffer any side effects. I have been off that drug for about 8 days now so am not taking any medication for BPH at the moment. 

 

Tomorrow I will have another appointment with my doctor at 8 weeks and 2 days post treatment and see what he says. However, I understand that it can take up to 6 months to fully benefit from the treatment. Would I got through the treatment again? I think so, but I would not be so optimistic about when I would see the results.

 

Current situation: The biggest improvement has been in urinating at night. I still get up 2 or 3 times a night to pee, but instead of waiting forever to get started and then dribbling for 2 or 3 minutes, by which time I am fully awake, I just point Percy to the porcelain and he is off and I can go back to bed and drop off immediately. 

 

Flow with a full bladder during the day time has improved somewhat, but not to the levels of when I was on Xatral. Still it is slightly better than pre-treatment.

 

What has not improved and in fact has got much worse, has urgency and frequency. Sometimes I feel the need to pee even though I know there is not much in my bladder, and at such times the flow is not really good. But I would rather let it go in the toilet than down my leg so I follow the urges.

 

I can confirm that I have not suffered from retrograde ejaculation, although there was blood in it the first couple of times, which is normal.

 

I am still confident that the treatment will work for me, but I just have to give it more time. I would also warn others that they should skip the hype and read some actual medical studies of the treatment. It is not some magic treatment that will put you in order straight away. It may take quite some time to improve. Everyone is different. Some have much larger prostates than me and would require more steam injections and the inflammatory response of each person can vary considerably. 

 

Apologies for the length of the posts, but I think it best to share all information, rather than pick and choose.                        

[fredscats]

2 hours ago, GarryP said:

Good to see Bamrungrad has a competitor. It may bring the price down. 

LOL  race to see who charges the most

 

Steam? it was beads a few years ago,block blood flow to prostate,whats wrong with laser?  same same   heat

Edited December 17, 2021 by fredscats

[olfu]

Youtube has video lecture by M.D. about prostate problems and its medicine.

[xylophone]

5 hours ago, fredscats said:

It comes down to this....growth,large growth pushing on the pipe that leads to the bladder,chokes it off.  Needs pruning,release pressure on the pipe ,thats all

You make it sound very simple, however the growth inside of the prostate capsule can also push into the bladder itself, which presents a whole new set of problems with regards to future urination.

 

Also a general anaesthetic is used, and that is a good indication as to the potential severity of the operation.

 

The gold standard TURP uses the implement with a cutting tool, which is used to cut part of the prostate away, whereas the newer laser operations can be preferred because they cause less bleeding and tend to cauterise the wound.

 

The problem with laser is that one touch of the button and part of the prostate is vaporised, so it has to be done by a very skilful and experienced surgeon, whereas the surgeon using the older method can elect and see exactly what part of the prostate he is cutting.

 

When I went for my TURP at Epworth Hospital in Melbourne, I requested the use of a laser, however the surgeon did not want to use it because he said that my prostate growth (read overgrowth) was very near the bladder neck and one false move could result in me having to use a nappy for the rest of my life, so he preferred the older "gold standard" procedure.

 

I can understand men not wanting to undergo the operation because it is an operation which goes to the very heart of a mans "masculinity" (the sexual organ) and there are horror stories of operations gone wrong from the past, however these days not so much.

 

Finally, if a medicine/treatment can ease the pressure on the urethra as it passes through the prostate (actually it becomes part of the prostate) then why not use it, or at least try it.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

Finally, if a medicine/treatment can ease the pressure on the urethra as it passes through the prostate (actually it becomes part of the prostate) then why not use it, or at least try it.

I'm surprised someone hasn't invented a 'stent' to be fixed inside.

It seems the obvious answer.

[xylophone]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I'm surprised someone hasn't invented a 'stent' to be fixed inside.

It seems the obvious answer.

Apparently it has been tried, but presents its own set of problems, one of them being because the stent can move, and I can't remember the others but I think it has to do with the prostate continuing to grow and causing other problems.

[xylophone]

23 hours ago, xylophone said:

Apparently it has been tried, but presents its own set of problems, one of them being because the stent can move, and I can't remember the others but I think it has to do with the prostate continuing to grow and causing other problems.

Update: you may wish to look at this article..............

New Treatment Option Available for Men Suffering from Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia

UC San Diego Health among first medical centers in region to offer non-surgical solution for enlarged prostates.

July 09, 2018    

 

[bubblegum]

Swanson Premium Stinging Nettle Root 500 mg [ 100 Capsules ] now foods Stinging Nettle root | Lazada.co.th

 

 

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Swanson Premium Stinging Nettle Root 500 mg [ 100 Capsules ] now foods Stinging Nettle root | Lazada.co.th

 

 

900bht for an item that's RRP is $6.50 ........ they gotta be joking!

[GarryP]

46 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

900bht for an item that's RRP is $6.50 ........ they gotta be joking!

For most of my supplements, I usually buy via iHerb. Even with shipping they are often much cheaper than Lazada or Shoppee.

 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Swanson Premium Stinging Nettle Root 500 mg [ 100 Capsules ] now foods Stinging Nettle root | Lazada.co.th

 

 

I have given up buying any more Stinging Nettle Root, because even doubling the dose has made no difference over a four week period, whereas one poster suggested that one tablet/capsule worked for him!!!!!

 

Lots of "recommendations" for natural remedies, but I wonder how many of the reports are that factual, or perhaps there is a placebo effect in play??
 

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

I have given up buying any more Stinging Nettle Root, because even doubling the dose has made no difference over a four week period, whereas one poster suggested that one tablet/capsule worked for him!!!!!

 

Lots of "recommendations" for natural remedies, but I wonder how many of the reports are that factual, or perhaps there is a placebo effect in play??
 

 

As I previously stated, I believe you have been permanently damaged by poor quality surgery.

There is no medicinal fix left for you (herbal of big pharma).

 

I'm sorry it's happened to you, but I wouldn't let a Thai doctor cut into me.

 

PS. 

If the nettle root is purely a placebo effect on me, why didn't the Saw Palmetto help me?

Edited December 21, 2021 by BritManToo

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

900bht for an item that's RRP is $6.50 ........ they gotta be joking!

Yeah, I spewed when I saw the real price after paying AUD $45 in Australia on mail order. What a rip off.

[rumak]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:00 PM, BritManToo said:

I'm always careful with Cipro as it hurts my tendons as well.

ya know......... I once started a thread on this lovely forum which was shut down for warning about the side effects of floroquinolones (class of antibiotics with black box warnings) .

 

though bm2 and i agree on most things........ at the time when i told of my bad experience with Cipro he suggested I might not be in good health  ???? .    I stopped the pills after 2 days when tendons were hurting and i got electric shocks .

 

All is well now .   Please everyone be careful with those drugs.  Some people suffer great harm (do a deep search to find how seriously , as Pharma does its usual censoring on google) 

 

As for peeing problems at night...... if someone's condition is not TOO bad,  as in my case, I found that eating very very little (usually just a salad)  at night keeps me from bloating, i sleep better,  and usually just twice a night to pee.   No drugs for me............... yet

[GarryP]

Went for my appointment on Saturday and did the usual Uroflow and retention tests. Flow was about the same as pre-treatment levels but there was little retention. The doctor wasn't happy with the results and asked if I wanted to go back on meds for a while, but I declined. He said that he had done the treatment on more than 50 men so far who had passed the 2 month post procedure time frame. He said that all but one had greatly improved flow at 6 weeks. The one who had not was an 80 year old man whose condition greatly improved by the 8 week mark. 

 

I am still feeling burning from time to time when passing urine so there is still some inflammation. Hopefully, this will improve over the next couple of months. My next appointment is 6 weeks down the road so it is just a wait and see approach. I do think my condition is improving, but I need to stop peeing so frequently (suggestion of the doctor was to try to hold off peeing for longer). The doctor offered meds to relax the bladder muscles so it should be able to hold more without the urge to pee, but again I declined. I'll just let nature take its course for now as there are many cases that take up to 4 months or more before they see the full benefits.  Fingers crossed.  

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, rumak said:

As for peeing problems at night...... if someone's condition is not TOO bad,  as in my case, I found that eating very very little (usually just a salad)  at night keeps me from bloating, i sleep better,  and usually just twice a night to pee.   No drugs for me............... yet

I'm taking 3mg of Doxazocin + 1 stinging nettle root 500mg a day + 5mg Finasteride every other day.

Peeing normally almost all the time, a lot of exercise or heavy work seems to make things worse that day. Sometimes I need to go at night if something disturbs my sleep, but normally not.

 

So I'm way better than 2 years back when I needed a catheter and when off that 6mg Doxazosin and a lot of effort to wee.

 

@GarryPGood luck, I hope it gets better for you.

Edited December 21, 2021 by BritManToo

[rumak]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I'm taking 3mg of Doxazocin + 1 stinging nettle root 500mg a day + 5mg Finasteride every other day.

Peeing normally almost all the time, a lot of exercise or heavy work seems to make things worse that day. Sometimes I need to go at night if something disturbs my sleep, but normally not.

 

So I'm way better than 2 years back when I needed a catheter and when off that 6mg Doxazosin and a lot of effort to wee.

i remember that time.   Glad you have found what works for you  (something both of us has always recommended over the  "go see a doctor!"  crowd.) 

maybe go see ten doctors,  then possibly one will come up with something other than what he read in a book