Thailand reports 8,467 new COVID-19 cases, 69 deaths

[Kadilo]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Again countries classify Covid-19 deaths differently. The UK changed how they classified and the historical death toll went up. I wonder if Thailand has reclassified it's way of classifying Covid-19 deaths. Deaths from Covid-19 to deaths with covid-19. The UK changed from deaths with to deaths from. This I would say is bourne out in excess death numbers. Deaths with doesn't count.

 

Whatever way you wish to juggle it, the death numbers/population are extremely low. 
 

Factor in the age profile of the deaths and those with pre existing and unvaccinated and it becomes minute when compared to the destruction of the economy, and the devastation to every day life’s of the majority of Thai people. 
 

Fortunately the people that matter and who make the important decisions recognise that fact and are taking the appropriate actions whilst others keep finding ways of producing their own numbers to satisfy their own pessimistic nature, which is easy enough to do if you spend prolonged time digging around, juggling and dissecting numbers and interpretations to suit. 
 

They probably wouldn’t be so keen if it was them out of work and struggling,  as opposed to sitting comfortably on a privileged position at a PC with a regular income attempting to advise others of how they should run and behave in their country.

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[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

 

Whatever way you wish to juggle it, the death numbers/population are extremely low. 
 

Factor in the age profile of the deaths and those with pre existing and unvaccinated and it becomes minute when compared to the destruction of the economy, and the devastation to every day life’s of the majority of Thai people. 
 

Fortunately the people that matter and who make the important decisions recognise that fact and are taking the appropriate actions whilst others keep finding ways of producing their own numbers to satisfy their own pessimistic nature, which is easy enough to do if you spend prolonged time digging around, juggling and dissecting numbers and interpretations to suit. 
 

They probably wouldn’t be so keen if it was them out of work and struggling,  as opposed to sitting comfortably on a privileged position at a PC with a regular income attempting to advise others of how they should run and behave in their country.

Always nice to hear from you. Simple fact is the vaccination process here was botched and the testing regime is amongst the lowest in the world. By the way my school cut my pay. I have a family. I'm struggling so don't assume you know how other people are going. That's just rude.

[candide]

The number of excess deaths all causes has been released for October.

With 4808 excess deaths compared to 2020, It's still around twice the official deaths count for Covid (2478) the same month.

However, the good news is that this trustable indicator (it is sure that nearly all deaths are recorded by the administration) confirms the strong decline observed in official statistics, with excess deaths declining from 8768 in September, and 16126 in August.

It is difficult to deduce the true number of Covid cases from the excess deaths number, as there is also likely a decrease of the deaths rate thanks to some vaccination of the high risk population. But it is obviously declining.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Edited November 6, 2021 by candide

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Covid (2478) the same month.

However, the good news is that this trustable indicator (it is sure that nearly all deaths are recorded by the administration) confirms the strong decline observed in official statistics, with excess deaths declining from 8768 in September, and 16126 in August.

The true cost of the mortality in Thailand that is not picked up by worldometers

[Bkk Brian]

Yesterdays "Official" deaths from covid

 

36 males, 33 females : Thai(69)
• Median age 74 years (16 – 98 years)
• Median (known infection-death) 8 days (maximum 46 days)
❖ age 60 and over 55 cases (80%)
❖ under 60 years of age:
10 had chronic disease (14%).
No history of chronic disease, 4 cases (6%).
Risk Factors - Key Issues
• HT (37), DM (30), HPL(14), obesity(8), kidney disease(9), bedridden(3).

https://media.thaigov.go.th/uploads/public_img/source/061164.pdf

[Bkk Brian]

Vaccinations yesterday: 861,848

https://media.thaigov.go.th/uploads/public_img/source/061164.pdf

[Kadilo]

 

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Always nice to hear from you.

Thanks. 
 

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

By the way my school cut my pay. I have a family. I'm struggling so don't assume you know how other people are going. That's just rude.

Well that’s not uncommon as you are not working as you normally would. So understandable, albeit unfortunate for yourself and your family. 
 

No it’s not rude to highlight how desperate many Thai families are out in food lines waiting for handouts. Even with you’re pay reduction I would doubt you will be joining them. 

 

Perspective. 
 

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Simple fact is the vaccination process here was botched

Always looking back. What’s gone is gone. How about now?
800,000+ /day, still botched?

 

Incredible efforts by all involved in that achievement.  Yes, before you say, inferior vaccine and could have secured better with better planning, but still a massive effort from where they were to achieve 70% in key areas already and hopefully across the country by year end. 
 

What a shame the country is not run by the forum hindsight experts, everything would be so rosy. 
 

Give some credit where it’s due for a change. 
 

[mtraveler]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

 

Whatever way you wish to juggle it, the death numbers/population are extremely low. 
 

Factor in the age profile of the deaths and those with pre existing and unvaccinated and it becomes minute when compared to the destruction of the economy, and the devastation to every day life’s of the majority of Thai people. 
 

Fortunately the people that matter and who make the important decisions recognise that fact and are taking the appropriate actions whilst others keep finding ways of producing their own numbers to satisfy their own pessimistic nature, which is easy enough to do if you spend prolonged time digging around, juggling and dissecting numbers and interpretations to suit. 
 

They probably wouldn’t be so keen if it was them out of work and struggling,  as opposed to sitting comfortably on a privileged position at a PC with a regular income attempting to advise others of how they should run and behave in their country.

 

Those of us on the other side of the aisle believe just the opposite.  We believe that those in charge find ways of producing numbers that suit their agenda.  And we, on the other hand, study what scientists say, look at all the data, and deduce from the available facts what we consider to be the truth. 

 

Not counting all positive cases is just one example of something we see.  And if that's not proof enough, wind the clock back to when the numbers of Covid cases in prisons was buried.  Look at the lack of testing.  Is it to save money, or to keep the numbers low?  And the list goes on. I'm not sure how familiar you are with Thai culture, but none of this is surprising in a culture where saving face trumps facts.  I'm not besmirching, just pointing out what is considered to be a recognized fact.    

 

As to the death numbers being low, first of all I'm really happy about that.  But maybe that's why all of us on this side keep harping on things like testing, and getting vaccines, and getting high quality vaccines, and waiting to open the country until vaccination levels are safe for the locals, so they don't contract Covid when they rush out to earn money from tourists, who some of whom will inevitably have Covid.  

 

Secondly, regarding the low death numbers, I think there's been enough studies done regarding excess deaths.  If you haven't read about it, I might suggest a current article in the NY Times, which analyzes excess deaths in countries throughout the world.  I was pleasantly surprised to see that Thailand was in the middle of the pack comparatively, but the fact still remains that there have been excess deaths during this time of Covid.  I'm not one to dismiss data that's carefully collected by scientists.   

[mtraveler]

12 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 

Thanks. 
 

Well that’s not uncommon as you are not working as you normally would. So understandable, albeit unfortunate for yourself and your family. 
 

No it’s not rude to highlight how desperate many Thai families are out in food lines waiting for handouts. Even with you’re pay reduction I would doubt you will be joining them. 

 

Perspective. 
 

Always looking back. What’s gone is gone. How about now?
800,000+ /day, still botched?

 

Incredible efforts by all involved in that achievement.  Yes, before you say, inferior vaccine and could have secured better with better planning, but still a massive effort from where they were to achieve 70% in key areas already and hopefully across the country by year end. 
 

What a shame the country is not run by the forum hindsight experts, everything would be so rosy. 
 

Give some credit where it’s due for a change. 
 

I don't think anyone is saying anything negative about the vaccination program now, except for what you've already pointed out (inferior vaccine, and some missteps about not taking advantage of offers for high quality vaccine).   So, yes, we agree.  Nice job now, but missteps in the past, and though a very good job, still some continued avoidable missteps.. 

 

Am I supposed to be applauding the captain and crew of the Titanic for all their efforts as the ship sank, or am I allowed to consider how the ship got into that predicament in the first place, on account of blunders by those in charge?  Do you think that's a fair analogy?

[dinsdale]

39 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 

Thanks. 
 

Well that’s not uncommon as you are not working as you normally would. So understandable, albeit unfortunate for yourself and your family. 
 

No it’s not rude to highlight how desperate many Thai families are out in food lines waiting for handouts. Even with you’re pay reduction I would doubt you will be joining them. 

 

Perspective. 
 

Always looking back. What’s gone is gone. How about now?
800,000+ /day, still botched?

 

Incredible efforts by all involved in that achievement.  Yes, before you say, inferior vaccine and could have secured better with better planning, but still a massive effort from where they were to achieve 70% in key areas already and hopefully across the country by year end. 
 

What a shame the country is not run by the forum hindsight experts, everything would be so rosy. 
 

Give some credit where it’s due for a change. 
 

How many fully vaccinated? You keep saying key areas. Myself I think the key areas are the people of the entire nation. Seems like those of us who were saying this nation will not be fully vaccinated until sometime next year were correct with more than 50% of the country not double jabbed or triple jabbed if they had 2 Sinovac. 7 weeks to go to have the country at least 70% fully covered. Will it happen? The govt said all 12 to 16 (16?) yr. old students would be vaccinated last month nation wide. Didn't happen. There's no hindsight to this as you say, it's factual.

Edited November 6, 2021 by dinsdale

[dinsdale]

42 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 

Thanks. 
 

Well that’s not uncommon as you are not working as you normally would. So understandable, albeit unfortunate for yourself and your family. 
 

No it’s not rude to highlight how desperate many Thai families are out in food lines waiting for handouts. Even with you’re pay reduction I would doubt you will be joining them. 

 

Perspective. 
 

Always looking back. What’s gone is gone. How about now?
800,000+ /day, still botched?

 

Incredible efforts by all involved in that achievement.  Yes, before you say, inferior vaccine and could have secured better with better planning, but still a massive effort from where they were to achieve 70% in key areas already and hopefully across the country by year end. 
 

What a shame the country is not run by the forum hindsight experts, everything would be so rosy. 
 

Give some credit where it’s due for a change. 
 

I will give credit. My vaccination process went well. 12 wks between AZ jabs and now I'm meant to be good for around another six months. Part of this going well for me was the governor of my province who went against the govt. I believe and opened walk in jabs to the community. Everyone. Not just Thais. Nicely done. I now have my bit of paper to state I'm double vaxed. I am in the minority in this country.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

 

Thanks. 
 

Well that’s not uncommon as you are not working as you normally would. So understandable, albeit unfortunate for yourself and your family. 
 

No it’s not rude to highlight how desperate many Thai families are out in food lines waiting for handouts. Even with you’re pay reduction I would doubt you will be joining them. 

 

Perspective. 
 

Always looking back. What’s gone is gone. How about now?
800,000+ /day, still botched?

 

Incredible efforts by all involved in that achievement.  Yes, before you say, inferior vaccine and could have secured better with better planning, but still a massive effort from where they were to achieve 70% in key areas already and hopefully across the country by year end. 
 

What a shame the country is not run by the forum hindsight experts, everything would be so rosy. 
 

Give some credit where it’s due for a change. 
 

Jabs are now going well. Shame it didn't start earlier. You have still not responded to my question. Will Thailand be at the 70-80% fully vaccinated by years end? That was the target wasn't it? Looking at what @Bkk Brianposted above around 30% got their 1st jab today. Not sure if it's possible to do this in 7 wks.

Edited November 6, 2021 by dinsdale

[coolcarer]

4 hours ago, Kadilo said:

 

They probably wouldn’t be so keen if it was them out of work and struggling,  as opposed to sitting comfortably on a privileged position at a PC with a regular income attempting to advise others of how they should run and behave in their country.

I take it you know the personal circumstances of the poster, his family and friends that you’re replying to then?

 

Thought not.
 

For the local Thai’s that are in dire need of help because of the devastation  brought on by the the virus and subsequent business closures, they are the ones asking why the government has not helped them and instead having to rely on food handouts, a lot of it being supported by local expats.

[anchadian]

Among 7,574 local new domestic cases, excluding the cases in the prisons, the highest number of infections listed by provinces was discovered in Bangkok with 809, Chiang Mai with 487, Songkhla with 462, Nakhon Si Thamarat with 449, and Pattani with 437.

 

https://tpnnational.com/2021/11/06/recap-thailand-announces-8467-new-cases-of-covid-19-and-69-additional-deaths/

[Rimmer]

Thailand reports 7,960 new Covid-19 cases, 6,950 recoveries, 53 deaths

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