dr dies despite 2 jabs and masks

[codemonkey]

On 11/24/2021 at 8:22 AM, Danderman123 said:

96% of all US physicians are vaccinated.

You mean 96% of all US physicians, or just those included in the sample size of this survey? (Sample size – N=301). I am sure there are more than 301 doctors in the US.

Misleading.

Edited November 28, 2021 by codemonkey

[GroveHillWanderer]

6 hours ago, codemonkey said:

You mean 96% of all US physicians, or just those included in the sample size of this survey? (Sample size – N=301). I am sure there are more than 301 doctors in the US.

Misleading.

You don't understand how surveys (or statistics) work, do you? You don't have to survey everybody (or even a majority of people) to get an accurate result.

 

As stated in the article below:

 

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As a very rough rule of thumb, 200 responses will provide fairly good survey accuracy under most assumptions and parameters of a survey project. 

Survey Statistical Confidence: How Many is Enough?

Edited November 28, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer

[codemonkey]

34 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You don't understand how surveys (or statistics) work, do you? You don't have to survey everybody (or even a majority of people) to get an accurate result.

 

As stated in the article below:

 

Survey Statistical Confidence: How Many is Enough?

It's misleading to make a claim that 96% of ALL physicians...when there are over a million physicians in America. It's false and misleading. And if you can't see it then you have the problem, I forgot more about stats than you know.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, codemonkey said:

You mean 96% of all US physicians, or just those included in the sample size of this survey? (Sample size – N=301). I am sure there are more than 301 doctors in the US.

Misleading.

Do you have better data?

[DavisH]

On 11/20/2021 at 10:41 PM, Scott said:

 

Natural immunity is not better at fighting Covid.  The mRNA vaccines are about 5X better at preventing Covid than natural immunity. 

 

Natural immunity is tricky.  When we get any foreign matter like viruses or bacteria, our body has an innate immune response to get rid of it.  The innate immune response, however, is not very specific in being able to target that exact virus, but it kicks in the adaptive immune system that starts manufacturing all kinds of cells to kill it.  Some work well and some don't.  Those that do work get reproduced, but this takes times and during that time some people getting very sick or die. 

 

The natural immunity may target any number of proteins on the virus and some of those might be more able to eventually evade detection.  The vaccines target the protein on the spike that attaches to our cells.  That is sort of like the key to the door. 

 

There is nothing wrong with natural immunity and I suspect that most people who get it have gotten quite lucky and the immune system found the right target.  It's just a little less reliable and predictable than the vaccines.  

 

If you are young and healthy, natural immunity is statistically an option.  If you are older, immunocompromised or have a number of other conditions, it might be extremely risky.  I think the shot is a much better option.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity

Vaccines stimulate natural immunity also. Not just getting immunity from infection. Natural immunity refers to the innate immune system. Some seem to be conflating "natural immunity' with infection, which is not correct. One does not need to be infected to get "natural immunity". Otherwise, the 5billion+ vaccines would serve no purpose at all, aside from giving a short burst of antibodies, which we KNOW wane over time, regardless if they were gotten from the vaccine or infection. 

[Scott]

12 hours ago, DavisH said:

Vaccines stimulate natural immunity also. Not just getting immunity from infection. Natural immunity refers to the innate immune system. Some seem to be conflating "natural immunity' with infection, which is not correct. One does not need to be infected to get "natural immunity". Otherwise, the 5billion+ vaccines would serve no purpose at all, aside from giving a short burst of antibodies, which we KNOW wane over time, regardless if they were gotten from the vaccine or infection. 

The immune system has 2 main parts, the innate immune system and the adaptive immune system.  The innate immune system is on guard all the time, it's not specific and all it does is distinguish between self and other when encountering anything.  If it's self, it's part of our own body and it ignores, if it's not part of other, it mounts a defense.   If it can't handle the fight, then the next level of immunity kicks in.

The adaptive immune system is much, much more specific in its targeting.  It starts putting out highly mutated cells and when a mutation works on the specific infection, it starts producing those specific cells and mounts a defense against a specific pathogen.  

 

In the very young, the immune system is low simply because it takes time to build up a memory of pathogens.  In older people, the adaptive system is simply much slower to kick in.  

 

Vaccines simply help the immune system to be able to quickly mount an adaptive response.  No waiting time, no going through self-selection to find the right immune cells. 

 

Natural immunity is fine and probably does the same thing, however, in natural immunity, our body may have found some other protein combination on the virus to attack.  They may be effective or less effective.  
 

There are a lot of studies looking at natural immunity vs vaccine-aquired immunity.  Thus far, most show that natural immunity seems to wane as fast or faster than those vaccinated.   I suspect it will take a long time and a lot of study to make a definitive determination about the effectiveness of both natural and vaccine-aquired immunity. 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 hours ago, codemonkey said:

You mean 96% of all US physicians, or just those included in the sample size of this survey? (Sample size – N=301). I am sure there are more than 301 doctors in the US.

Misleading.

OK, so you missed the Math class on statistical sampling.