Omicron may become dominant variant with its high transmissibility – Dr. Yong Poovorawan

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11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Probably, but there is a non-zero possibility that they died from Delta. 

 

Not non-zero enough to accept the claim that Omicron is benign

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Macrohistory said:

 

Not non-zero enough to accept the claim that Omicron is benign

 

Too early to know for sure, the sample size is small, and not much time has passed.

 

i was hoping that the data would be less ratty by now.

[VBF]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

Doctors and nurses vent anger as unvaccinated Covid cases delay vital operations

The NHS has a backlog of 5.8 million waiting for surgery and specialists are increasingly frustrated at how the unvaccinated have left them unable to tackle it

Doctors and nurses vent anger as unvaccinated Covid cases delay vital operations

The NHS has a backlog of 5.8 million waiting for surgery and specialists are increasingly frustrated at how the unvaccinated have left them unable to tackle it

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doctors-and-nurses-vent-anger-as-unvaccinated-covid-cases-delay-vital-operations-z3zchvv9l

As far as I'm concerned, the NHS should refuse to treat anyone who has refused a Covid vaccination for no reason other than ridiculous conspiracy nonsense.

They won't of course, but I wish......

And before anyone starts banging on about "freedom of choice"...that's OK too.....but choices have consequences.

[Blumpie]

6 minutes ago, VBF said:

As far as I'm concerned, the NHS should refuse to treat anyone who has refused a Covid vaccination for no reason other than ridiculous conspiracy nonsense.

They won't of course, but I wish......

And before anyone starts banging on about "freedom of choice"...that's OK too.....but choices have consequences.

Hear hear!  Just stay at home and let nature take it's course.  

[Blumpie]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Too early to know for sure, the sample size is small, and not much time has passed.

 

i was hoping that the data would be less ratty by now.

IT is too early to state that it is benign or deadly.  Nobody should be jumping to any conclusions yet.  Every health care expert on the planet is telling people to just stop and wait.  

So far it does look benign, however, things can change for the worse quickly.  

Nobody should be making any judgements for a few weeks.  To do so is irresponsible.  

The good news is so far it IS looking benign.  If people were flooding hospitals at this point then there would be no reason to have to sit back and wait.  Even as late as yesterday they were saying so far so good with the latest numbers just released from South Africa.  Good being it's not a blowout yet.  

Let's hope that the numbers stay low.  

I am not a doctor, just parroting what doctors are all saying.  

[Sanookmike]

On 12/8/2021 at 2:25 AM, placeholder said:

 

The NHS has a backlog of 5.8 million waiting for surgery and specialists are increasingly frustrated at how the unvaccinated have left them unable to tackle it

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doctors-and-nurses-vent-anger-as-unvaccinated-covid-cases-delay-vital-operations-z3zchvv9l

Agreed I haven't said anyone should be not have a vaccine.. quite the opposite. This still doesn't take from the damage lockdowns do it's well known that ppl went without care and illness's went untreated.

 

On 12/8/2021 at 2:05 AM, coolcarer said:

What’s fear mongering about a model that is predicting a potential increase to 100,000 a day of Omicron, it’s not saying 100k sick people just confirmed cases. The UK is already experiencing 46k cases of delta daily, with Omicron almost certainly being a much higher transmissibility variant then 100k could well be an underestimate. The importance is sickness levels which are uncertain.

You can just go back and look at all their predictions.. they are all massively inflated and have never come to fruition. They should just stick to reporting actual facts rather than their "predictions".

 

One issue with the SA study available that ppl are not mentioning when looking at hospitaliaztion's is that majority in that paper where admitted to hospital for non covid reasons and omicron was picked up after as they test as part of procedure when admitted. 

 

More data is needed... Saying that of today still 536 cases in the UK and still not one person in hospital. Looking good for countries with higher vaccine uptake.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Sanookmike

[Sanookmike]

On 12/8/2021 at 3:58 AM, Bkk Brian said:

And for those who say "but not a single person died from Omicron". Well, that's not quite correct: the "it's mild" Tshwane report found that of 166 Covid-positive patients admitted to this 1 hospital in the last 2 weeks, 9 died of Covid & 5 out of 33 admissions aged over 60 died.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

States right here tho that the patients where admitted for non covid reasons and was later tested posted. 

 

Those ppl are more likely to have died from the actual thing they went in for, not saying you are wrong but we need more information.

 

"The main observation that we have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for another medical, surgical or obstetric reason."

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1 minute ago, Sanookmike said:

States right here tho that the patients where admitted for non covid reasons and was later tested posted. 

 

Those ppl are more likely to have died from the actual thing they went in for, not saying you are wrong but we need more information.

 

"The main observation that we have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for another medical, surgical or obstetric reason."

We do need a lot more information before being happy clappy about this variant thats what I've been saying all along.

[Sanookmike]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

We do need a lot more information before being happy clappy about this variant thats what I've been saying all along.

It would seem then despite our bickering we somewhat agree.. 

 

I've not said anything is concrete either, only stated the theory that viruses generally get weaker and the science so far that says its looking milder etc and what that could mean. Fully accept that in a  months time things could be very different.

 

Clearly I'm optimistic but that doesn't mean im being selective etc if things turn I'll be here making a post saying so.

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3 hours ago, Sanookmike said:

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You can just go back and look at all their predictions.. they are all massively inflated and have never come to fruition. They should just stick to reporting actual facts rather than their "predictions".

 

One issue with the SA study available that ppl are not mentioning when looking at hospitaliaztion's is that majority in that paper where admitted to hospital for non covid reasons and omicron was picked up after as they test as part of procedure when admitted. 

 

More data is needed... Saying that of today still 536 cases in the UK and still not one person in hospital. Looking good for countries with higher vaccine uptake.

Predictions are based on an 'if' factor.  If X happens/doesn't happen, then the result is 'Y'.   If vaccination rates are below a certain level, then deaths will be high.   I don't know that the numbers are inflated, they are simply a matter of worst case scenarios being reported.   If you dig, you'll find many of the predictions are accurate for the level of mitigation -- mask wearing, vaccines, social distancing, etc. that are actually being adhered to.

 

The weather forecast is a prediction and one I pay attention to.  I know where I lived, when a tornado warning was issued, thousands of people take shelter, but we know a tornado will only hit a limited number of buildings, if any.