Omicron panic decimates Thai tourism "high season" - foreign tourists cancel, events scrapped, flights stopped, insurance woes

[Thunglom]

36 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

so actually lockdowns are driving more mutations by keeping the virus hanging around. Giving it time to mutate.

to mutate, it has to transmit - the number of cases is directly proportional to the number of variants.

[Cherrytreeview]

Omicron hospitalization risk upside, vaccine protection is good: U.K. study 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/31/omicron-hospitalization-risk-upside-vaccine-protection-good-uk-study-.html?__source=androidappshare
 

[Thunglom]

47 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

Depends on your timescale.  100 years, 1000 years......10,000 years.............   

Oracle - you are talking complete nonsense - you don't even seem capable of understanding your own references - and as for you concept of history, you are less well informed than a 7 year old.

Edited January 1, 2022 by Thunglom

[sezze]

50 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

It needs time and the right conditions to mutate.  Why do you think Spanish Flu in 1918 was done in 2 waves ?????

 

No lockdowns.......spread........burn itself out. All over.

 

This is now a 4th wave for Covid - so actually lockdowns are driving more mutations by keeping the virus hanging around. Giving it time to mutate.

 

If you take the very basic and of course, not politically correct, view that had Covid simply been allowed to spread and kill in 2020, its very possible it would all have been over by now......the weak would have perished and the human race would now be stronger.  This "weak" perish has happened many times over in the past many thousands of years.........and has proven effective in the survival of the human race.,

 

 

Rubbish , mutations happen all the time . Time is of no importance for mutations , amount of infections around is .

Mutation also depend on the virus , some virus nearly not mutate , others do it very fast . Very fast meaning , in every single host it adapts itself , so again time is of no importance .

[Oracle2022]

1 hour ago, Thunglom said:

Oracle - you are talking complete nonsense - you don't even seem capable of understanding your own references - and as for you concept of history, you are less well informed than a 7 year old.

Look in the mirror.............

[Oracle2022]

2 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Another day, another series of posts by someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

Bashing the keyboard, giving us all the benefit of his ignorance.

The 1918 pandemic was officially a 3 wave pandemic.

Although some people think it was actually 4, with the fourth wave being the exit wave.

Some people, who actually know what they are talking about, hope this bodes well for this fourth covid wave.

The narrative of viruses always becoming weaker is a false one. I have heard many epidemiologists say that there biggest concern is a mutation as contagious as omicron but much more pathogenic.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

 

Feel free now to fill up these cyber pages with more of your "knowledge".

How do you define a wave ?

 

Do you define a wave as the same variant coming back around.........or a wave as in what is currently being used as a wave where there is a significant mutation ?  Current terminology for a "wave" is a very significant variation.

 

Can you tell us which were the different variants in 1918 and 1919 ?

 

The Spanish Flu is a historic event, some will say there were 5 waves, some 4, some 3 and some 2.   Two waves being the first mild version and then the second one........the second one which went on and came around again (where some will say this was a 3rd wave).

 

Are you showing us your own ignorance and arrogance ?  Your ineptitude ?   You inability to think outside of what your told ?

[keithkarmann]

On 12/29/2021 at 11:11 AM, stigar said:

Well..they been warned allready.Close down this country rigth now.UK(just england)with 130.000 new cases..france 180.000 new cases.USA 580.000 new cases.And thailand only about 3000 new cases????

Come on..start testing and tell the real truth.

Tell the truth? They would not know how to, as it would mean losing face, never admitting to be wrong.

[keithkarmann]

When does anyone get tested in Thailand?

[Cherrytreeview]

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/01/chonburi-governor-issues-new-order-for-restaurants-selling-alcohol/

 

Pattaya bar owners have been instructed to test their staff for the next 2 days.

Venues with over 100 people, will have to test their customers irrespective of vaccination status.

[morrobay]

7 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/01/chonburi-governor-issues-new-order-for-restaurants-selling-alcohol/

 

Pattaya bar owners have been instructed to test their staff for the next 2 days.

Venues with over 100 people, will have to test their customers irrespective of vaccination status.

So I guess no one is worried about what's going on  elsewhere?https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSeHyujfG/

Edited January 1, 2022 by morrobay

[HashBrownHarry]

40 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/01/chonburi-governor-issues-new-order-for-restaurants-selling-alcohol/

 

Pattaya bar owners have been instructed to test their staff for the next 2 days.

Venues with over 100 people, will have to test their customers irrespective of vaccination status.

Good luck with that.

[Trip Hop]

1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said:

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/01/chonburi-governor-issues-new-order-for-restaurants-selling-alcohol/

 

Pattaya bar owners have been instructed to test their staff for the next 2 days.

Venues with over 100 people, will have to test their customers irrespective of vaccination status.

Any customers that are left will just move over to the normally less busy bars as appeared to be happening in Soi Buakhao last night with the testing presence around Tree Town?  This process will then just roll over whenever a bar is deemed to be busy enough to require testing of its customers?

 

No one with any sense are going to submit to mandatory testing, knowing what may be lying in wait for them?

[Cherrytreeview]

There was a meeting at the beach club and Pattaya bar owners where told to get with the testing program or bars will be shut until the 16th.

Tests are not free in Thailand and i don't know how easily available they are.

More hoop jumping and uncoordinated responses.

Tourism is going to collapse after the end of the peak season middle of January.

 

[Pdavies99]

On 12/29/2021 at 10:44 AM, geisha said:

The health minister changed the rules the week before Christmas ! What do they expect now, nearly everyone got scared of loosing all their bookings, PCR tests / flights/hotels/ etc and cancelled. 
Thailand is constantly changing the rules, they have absolutely no idea that foreigners have to plan holidays, take time off work, book flights etc, and then the country they wanted to visit announces panic every bloody day, and cancels potential plans. Mr Anutin has shot himself in the foot ! 
We have all seen the small percentage of foreign travelers C positive on arrival. Do a second and third test at the tourists expense in a *hospitel * not in a state quarantine ward. They are now reducing the stay in EU to 7 days isolation., The only big worry for everyone is an overload of patients for hospital  beds and not enough ventilators.  The statistics this morning from Marseille France General, huge hospital, has 86% of its newer Covid patients non vaccinated , average age 57, the others are the very old and the very sick. 81 deaths since 15 of November. 
 What does that tell you. Children are the best vectors, spreading in school and then through their families, so they are now being mass vaccinated. The new Omicron is quickly being accepted as being much less dangerous and does, in most cases, not need hospitalisations. The two biggest errors of Thailand is not vaccinated early enough, you should by now all have had your booster. The other is panic news and closing down the country bringing its folk to their knees. How shameful to see photos and reports all over the western news of queues of people spending all day in the sun waiting for food donations. And all that while in other news they want to start a Space program ? They better get their act together as otherwise they will see their tourist dollars going down the drain for a good couple of years. 

Many were vaccinated...Sinovac!  Remember that diluted water.

[JackGats]

Says one Senator Marco Rubio (whoever he is, didn't bother to check): "Record numbers testing positive for a sore throat isn't a crisis. And people in the hospital for car accidents testing positive isn't a surge. ... The real crisis is the irrational hysteria which has people with no symptoms waiting hours for a test or missing work for 10 days"

Edited January 1, 2022 by JackGats
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[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, JackGats said:

Says Senator Marco Rubio (whoever he is, didn't bother to check): "Record numbers testing positive for a sore throat isn't a crisis. And people in the hospital for car accidents testing positive isn't a surge. ... The real crisis is the irrational hysteria which has people with no symptoms waiting hours for a test or missing work for 10 days"

So you'd rather they remained untested and free in the society to pass the virus on to kids who are mainly unvaccinated?

[Cherrytreeview]

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/02/chonburi-governor-releases-late-night-updated-orders-around-covid-19-and-food-and-beverage-establishments/

 

Looks like the party is over for Pattaya.

Tightened  the rules again.

- all staff must be tested daily

- all customers, irrespective of size of venue or number of customers, must show negative ATK test taken no longer than 72 hours ago

- any venue that cannot comply will be closed

- the order has no end date

 

More costs and hastles for the long suffering farang business owners.

 

 

 

 

[Credo]

5 hours ago, JackGats said:

Says one Senator Marco Rubio (whoever he is, didn't bother to check): "Record numbers testing positive for a sore throat isn't a crisis. And people in the hospital for car accidents testing positive isn't a surge. ... The real crisis is the irrational hysteria which has people with no symptoms waiting hours for a test or missing work for 10 days"

Marco Rubio is a senator from Florida.  It seems he is not really up-to-date.  The CDC is getting a great deal of heat for it, but they have lowered the period for asymptomatic people to 5 days and then an additional 5 days of mask wearing.   Many of the same people who were screaming about quarantine aren't happy it's been lowered.   

And if it's not a surge, I wonder why both the governor and the Director of the Florida Health Department have criticized the White House for not sending more Monoclonal antibodies, even though some have had their EUA removed and are not effective against Omicron.   

It might be better for everyone if there was less political interference in the whole process.   

 

I am hoping that Omicron acts like most other viruses and when it is as easily transmitted as it appears to be that it burns itself out quickly.   I also hope that, in addition to milder symptoms, there are no long term effects.

 

[morrobay]

3 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/02/chonburi-governor-releases-late-night-updated-orders-around-covid-19-and-food-and-beverage-establishments/

 

Looks like the party is over for Pattaya.

Tightened  the rules again.

- all staff must be tested daily

- all customers, irrespective of size of venue or number of customers, must show negative ATK test taken no longer than 72 hours ago

- any venue that cannot comply will be closed

- the order has no end date

 

More costs and hastles for the long suffering farang business owners.

 

 

 

 

Oy vey- is this really saying that all customers for all dining in restaurants and bars in Pattaya must show negative test with in 72 hours ?? Effective now. 

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by morrobay

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, keithkarmann said:

Tell the truth? They would not know how to, as it would mean losing face, never admitting to be wrong.

You have to be realistic..... the approach seems pretty similar to that of England and other countries. Sadly it does look like it is going pear shaped.

[spidermike007]

 

Please, please. If we are going to be truthful about this, and not use Covid as a cover, it is Prayuth, Phiphat and Anutin that have presided over what will likely become known as the great destruction, decimation and willful sabotage of a once thriving industry. 

 

No need for scapegoats. Blame them. They are utter cowards. 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Please, please. If we are going to be truthful about this, and not use Covid as a cover, it is Prayuth, Phiphat and Anutin that have presided over what will likely become known as the great destruction, decimation and willful sabotage of a once thriving industry. 

 

No need for scapegoats. Blame them. They are utter cowards. 

Cowards for wanting to reduce the intensity of covid outbreaks in their country? Get a grip.

[jerrymahoney]

40 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Cowards for wanting to reduce the intensity of covid outbreaks in their country? Get a grip.

No -- he got a gripe.

 

[Cherrytreeview]

 

 

Not so funny.

[KhunLA]

15 hours ago, keithkarmann said:

Tell the truth? They would not know how to, as it would mean losing face, never admitting to be wrong.

What politician or official has ever admitted he was wrong, anywhere, anytime.

 

Kennedy after Bay of Pigs ... can't think of any other off hand.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

What politician or official has ever admitted he was wrong, anywhere, anytime.

 

Kennedy after Bay of Pigs ... can't think of any other off hand.

Here's one although granted not many I can think of either.

 

Angela Merkel has taken the unusual step of issuing a personal apology to the nation as she performed a U-turn on plans to put Germany under a hard lockdown over Easter following a critical backlash.

[jerrymahoney]

... and in Khon Kaen Province with roughly the same population as Chonburi Province there were 102 new cases:

[Enzian]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

What politician or official has ever admitted he was wrong,

Daily trivia:  Salvini of Italy a couple of years ago tried to force a no confidence vote in Parliament which would lead to a snap election. He failed, and was out of government for a while. He admitted it was a mistake, and it took him a while to recover. I think Italians actually were impressed.

[Danderman123]

My story:

 

I had a lady friend over for drinks on 25 December. She is now in quarantine for Covid. 

 

I had a lady friend visit me at a pool villa on 27 December. She is now in the hospital for Covid. 

 

I guess my 5 vaccinations were effective. 

[Henryford]

Wait till they find out you need a Covid test in Chon Buri just to buy a beer or a McDonalds.