JBChiangRai Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: No Thought so, I couldn't smell burning this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Thought so, I couldn't smell burning this time. Did you mean to say thought not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) Just like ICEVs, nothing goes to waste, after an oops, or the rest of the vehicle can't keep up. Definitely an after market for battery packs, and most car's packs are larger than what people have on there solar system already. Our SS has 20kWh of ESS (cost ฿185k), our car has 50kWh (46.3 usable). When the motor & battery lasts longer then the rest of the car, 10-15-20 yrs ... yea, the solar system will be ready for an additional ESS bank. More savings from the EV: https://www.facebook.com/reel/281458917585652 Edited November 14, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KhunLA Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) EV savings vs ICEV. One of our common short overnight O&A trips, where we need a CS, is when visiting daughter at Krung Thep. PKK - KT - PKK is about the 600 kms, a bit less. We leave PKK @ 100%, and good for 250 kms, with nice reserve. We top up and try to make it back home, with about the same reserve, 50kms, so topping up at home with solar for 250 kms. 600 kms + 50 kms reserve. 650 kms trip, with 500 kms of that, from solar. If all goes to plan, that means we need 150 kms worth of energy, which is about 1/2 of battery use or 23 kWh, @ ฿7.5 / kWh = ฿173. EV - 600 kms = ฿173 ICEV - 600 kms = ฿1500 (600 ÷ 14 kpL X ฿34.88 (91) Savings pays for nice meal or inexpensive hotel. Price of 91 so far for 2023 Low - ฿34.18 (7 Jan) High - ฿40.18 (20 Sept) Edited November 15, 2023 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: EV - 600 kms = ฿173 ICEV - 600 kms = ฿1500 (600 ÷ 14 kpL X ฿34.88 (91) TTL is wrong, and more like ฿338 correction Edited November 15, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, KhunLA said: TTL is wrong, and more like ฿338 correction Do you not use a spreadsheet? If you're going to calculate your saving on every trip you would just have to set it up once and just plug and chug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Do you not use a spreadsheet? If you're going to calculate your saving on every trip you would just have to set it up once and just plug and chug. Nah, don't do it that often. I know how much 300 & 360 kms cost me vs petrol. Once is enough. With the ever changing petrol cost, I'd have to adjust it anyway. This is ball park enough for me, though I really don't think of it much, just if posting here. I just keep track of O&A trip kms, for a quick calculation at end of the year. So I know what to subtract off total kms for the year. Not sure I'll even do that again, as once was enough. Post elsewhere on AN, after 1yr / 19.990 kms: Edited November 15, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Thailand may be going through the joys of EV early days but other countries are taking a good, hard look. A new study in the USA discovered that fueling electric vehicles costs roughly $17 per gallon (in the US only) with hidden costs from an increased burden on the energy grid exerted by charging stations, and an enormous amount of federal subsidies. I guess Thailand will find out more a few years down the road. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/study-fueling-electric-vehicles-17-gallon I do wish there was more use of solar and wind energy here to replace coal and oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Purdey said: Thailand may be going through the joys of EV early days but other countries are taking a good, hard look. A new study in the USA discovered that fueling electric vehicles costs roughly $17 per gallon (in the US only) with hidden costs from an increased burden on the energy grid exerted by charging stations, and an enormous amount of federal subsidies. I guess Thailand will find out more a few years down the road. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/study-fueling-electric-vehicles-17-gallon I do wish there was more use of solar and wind energy here to replace coal and oil. Not really, consumers aren't paying anything like that. That article makes unrealistic assumptions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said: Not really, consumers aren't paying anything like that ... That article makes unrealistic assumptions You ain't kidding Check out an area where I used to live, suburb Philly, PA, USA Off peak - peak price @ CS: $.42-49kWh For our ZS, normal driving, 360 kms, cost about $19.45 - $22.69 Petrol for 360 kms would cost about $25.00 So not a whole lot of savings, if using CS. Charging at home, would cost $7.50 ... 1/3 of petrol cost for same kms 👍 Edited November 15, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 24, 2023 Author Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) On 11/15/2023 at 3:57 PM, KhunLA said: TTL is wrong, and more like ฿338 correction I wasn't far off, as it turned out to be 611 kms @ ฿306.12 Leaving house @ 100%, returning @ 20% Charging 2X along the way ,,, ... ฿162.82 @ ฿5,3 per kWh X 32.72 kWh ... ฿143.30 @ ฿5.5 per kWh X 26.6 kWh vs 611 ÷ 14 kpL = 42.64 L X ฿34.68 = ฿1513 for petrol if using ICE version of MG ZS Saving ฿1200, paying for our bungalow & dinner at our pitstop @ Phetchaburi on the way home. Thank You. Edited November 24, 2023 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 (or any idiot who is running on empty in any vehicle) https://www.facebook.com/reel/736120741888742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 EVs may be the future, and most here are happy with them, but as more information about them shows, there may be a penalty that is not too obvious at the beginning of the trend. When I read that "EVs had 79 percent more reliability problems than a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle, on average" I expect people to say they haven't seen these issues in Thailand yet as the country is at the beginning of the curve. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/evs-have-79-more-reliability-problems-than-gas-cars-says-consumer-reports/ Whenever a relatively "new technology" is introduced (keeping in mind the first EV was introduced in 1890), there is bound to be the odd teething issue. I intend to keep following this thread to hear what owners say over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macahoom Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, Purdey said: When I read that "EVs had 79 percent more reliability problems than a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle, on average" I expect people to say they haven't seen these issues in Thailand yet as the country is at the beginning of the curve. I had an MG ZS EV for more than four years and, other than a dud 12V battery shortly after taking delivery, the car was fault free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted December 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, Purdey said: EVs may be the future, and most here are happy with them, but as more information about them shows, there may be a penalty that is not too obvious at the beginning of the trend. When I read that "EVs had 79 percent more reliability problems than a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle, on average" I expect people to say they haven't seen these issues in Thailand yet as the country is at the beginning of the curve. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/evs-have-79-more-reliability-problems-than-gas-cars-says-consumer-reports/ Whenever a relatively "new technology" is introduced (keeping in mind the first EV was introduced in 1890), there is bound to be the odd teething issue. I intend to keep following this thread to hear what owners say over time. interestingly, there are no Chinese vehicles in the survey, my experience with Chinese EV’s is they are incredibly reliable, not a fault on the two we have. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: interestingly, there are no Chinese vehicles in the survey, my experience with Chinese EV’s is they are incredibly reliable, not a fault on the two we have. Another survey, totally irrelevant to TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: totally irrelevant Pretty sure the main differences are that the west has longer experience with EVs and more variety of models/brands. Thailand is going to catch up with all this in the future. Not trying to be overly critical but if I don't need to change, I would rather wait to see how the local market develops. Edited December 1, 2023 by Purdey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Purdey said: Pretty sure the main differences are that the west has longer experience with EVs and more variety of models/brands. Thailand is going to catch up with all this in the future. Not trying to be overly critical but if I don't need to change, I would rather wait to see how the local market develops. Agree, though I'm a bit too old to wait, and really happy with what we bought/ZS. Really like what's available now, though only the Atto 3 would interest me. Really like them. Like the SIVs, especially the small ones. Me & sedans don't get along any more. Wife won't go back either. Along with no desire to spend >1M for any 4 wheels. As nice as they are, don't think we would spring for anything new coming to market. Love the options & competition presented though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted December 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2023 Best Selling Vehicles daily tally at the ongoing Motor Expo 29 Nov-11 Dec 2023 in Bangkok. And the top selling manufacturers are not Toyota or Honda but as of 30 Nov it's Changun and BYD. https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 9:00 PM, Pib said: Best Selling Vehicles daily tally at the ongoing Motor Expo 29 Nov-11 Dec 2023 in Bangkok. And the top selling manufacturers are not Toyota or Honda but as of 30 Nov it's Changun and BYD. https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/ The Fortuner fights back and beat the EVangelists. 1. Toyota 2. Honda 3. BYD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: The Fortuner fights back and beat the EVangelists. 1. Toyota 2. Honda 3. BYD What the figures are saying is that people want EV's, the legacy automakers must be sh?tt?ng themselves. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: The Fortuner fights back and beat the EVangelists. 1. Toyota 2. Honda 3. BYD Gosh, I love my 2009 Fortuner (still using it as my secondary vehicle) and would have bought a 2023/24 Fortuner if they had an EV version; but they don't. So, I bought a 2023 BYD Atto 3 EV....been driving it for six weeks now and love it. As JBChiangRai said Toyota and Honda as legacy automakers must be shi%%ing themselves in how well EV automakers (mostly Chinese) are doing. While Toyota and Honda with their myriad of ICE vehicles came in #1 and #2 in "bookings" at the recent Moto Expo 30 Nov -11 Dec, BYD came in a strong 3rd followed by other Chinese manufacturers with a lot of EV models. Moto Expo Booking 30 Nov - 11 Dec 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Some updated of bookings at the recent Moto Expo along with estimated percentage (approx 44%) that were EVs. Thanks to @Andrew Dwyer and @KhunLA. 1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said: Results of the reservations from Motor Expo อันดับ 1 Toyota 7,245 คัน อันดับ 2 Honda 6,149 คัน อันดับ 3 BYD 6,119 คัน อันดับ 4 Aion 4,568 คัน อันดับ 5 MG 3,568 คัน อันดับ 6 GWM 3,524 คัน อันดับ 7 ChangAn 3,549 คัน อันดับ 8 Isuzu 2,460 คัน อันดับ 9 Nissan 2,459 คัน อันดับ 10 Mazda 2,159 คัน อันดับ 11 NETA 1,766 คัน อันดับ 12 Mitsubishi 1,675 คัน อันดับ 13 Suzuki 1,615 คัน อันดับ 14 Ford 1,415 คัน อันดับ 15 Mercedes-Benz 1,333 คัน อันดับ 16 BMW 1,188 คัน อันดับ 17 Hyundai 680 คัน อันดับ 18 TESLA* 528 คัน อันดับ 19 Volvo 485 คัน อันดับ 20 KIA 321 คัน อันดับ 21 Wuling 312 คัน อันดับ 22 NEX 229 คัน อันดับ 23 Subaru 206 คัน อันดับ 24 MINI 172 คัน อันดับ 25 Lexus 140 คัน อันดับ 26 Audi 120 คัน อันดับ 27 Peugeot 101 คัน อันดับ 28 Porsche 72 คัน อันดับ 29 Lotus 41 คัน อันดับ 30 Jeep 26 คัน อันดับ 31 TATA 15 คัน อันดับ 31 Maserati 15 คัน อันดับ 33 Bentley 1 คัน อื่นๆ BRG 69 คัน 48 minutes ago, KhunLA said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted December 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2023 23 hours ago, Pib said: Some updated of bookings at the recent Moto Expo along with estimated percentage (approx 44%) that were EVs. Thanks to @Andrew Dwyer and @KhunLA. 44% EVs is an interesting number, the honeymoon period is far from over. With overall EV sales around 16%, we will probably see a saturation point around 20-30% as subsidies fade away. That means 10-15% of cars on the road in 10 years will be EVs. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted December 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: 44% EVs is an interesting number, the honeymoon period is far from over. With overall EV sales around 16%, we will probably see a saturation point around 20-30% as subsidies fade away. That means 10-15% of cars on the road in 10 years will be EVs. Flawed logic. You don't look at an exponential curve and say it's about to plateau, that's fiction. IMHO, when the subsidies disappear, the prices will remain the same, I wouldn't rule out a drop in price next year too. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Flawed logic. You don't look at an exponential curve and say it's about to plateau, that's fiction. IMHO, when the subsidies disappear, the prices will remain the same, I wouldn't rule out a drop in price next year too. Competition is a beautiful things. We've seen MG w/price drops since competition has arrived. Along with tweak battery packs, cheaper chemistry (LFP) & production cost, and passed on to the consumer to remain competitive. As with all electronic tech, newer, upgraded, improved usually follows, along with price drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 For those saying they'd only ever consider an EV if it gave them equivalent or better range than an ICE vehicle, here's another contender to consider. NIO Revolutionizes Electric Vehicles with Solid-State Battery Pack Exceeding 930 km Range Quote NIO, the Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturer, has made a significant breakthrough in EV technology by introducing a solid-state battery pack with exceptional energy density, allowing for a range of over 930 kilometers on a single charge. Solid state batteries also promise shorter charging times, especially once faster chargers are available. It's a bit pricey though, with the more powerful battery model (that gives the longest range) costing around US $60,000. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said: It's a bit pricey though, with the more powerful battery model (that gives the longest range) costing around US $60,000. Only 1.7M baht, and the price of many imports from JP here. Less than some of the silly price Yanks pay for trucks & cars in USA. 1M is my limit for 4 wheels, and not exactly happy about that Point A to B with a bit of performance & comfort is all I need. Ouch ... 2023 Nissan Titan Platinum Reserve Price: $62,630 2024 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 ZR2 Price: $71,895 2023 Toyota Tundra Capstone Price: $77,645 2024 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate Price: $82,500 2023 Ram 1500 TRX Price: $85,050 2023 Ford F-150 Limited Price: $83,010 Edited December 13, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 29 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Only 1.7M baht, and the price of many imports from JP here. Less than some of the silly price Yanks pay for trucks & cars in USA. 1M is my limit for 4 wheels, and not exactly happy about that Point A to B with a bit of performance & comfort is all I need. Ouch ... 2023 Nissan Titan Platinum Reserve Price: $62,630 2024 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 ZR2 Price: $71,895 2023 Toyota Tundra Capstone Price: $77,645 2024 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate Price: $82,500 2023 Ram 1500 TRX Price: $85,050 2023 Ford F-150 Limited Price: $83,010 Base price for a new F-150 in the US is ~1.2M with a 3.3-liter V6 or ~1.3M with a 5-liter V8. A new Camry starts at ~950K with a 2.5-liter DOHC-I4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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