Video: Carnage in downtown Bangkok - Merc Benz goes through red light - two cars overturn

[drgoon]

5 minutes ago, Clarkey611 said:

Not only a loss of a Benz, but even worse, a loss of face for Phuri, especially after it is on here.

There will be people in court soon for causing loss of face ????

[ratcatcher]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

For sure Benz thought Honda would turn and this is why he went to the right . As pointed out already both absolute morons but legally Honda in the wrong 

Why do you think the Honda is in the wrong? She was already into the turn when the Benz came speeding towards her. It is the responsibility of any road user to be sure his path ahead is clear. The speeding Benz driver failed to brake or swerve and hit her square on. It just goes to show that even an expensive Mercedes bends.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Even after going through a red light?

Where in the CCTV video are the red traffic lights located that indicate the Merc should be stopped?   I can't see them.

[Chongalulu]

7 hours ago, edwinchester said:

After watching the video I come to the conclusion that both drivers are morons.

Talking about 2 Thai drivers and so that statement inherently has a 99.99% probability of being correct! ???? 

[Liverpool Lou]

44 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

I believe both drivers were at fault, the Benz for going through a red light

Where's the location of the red light in the CCTV video that he went through?

[sambum]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Sure the honda made a mistake not going through. 

You are sure on your soap box today Rob! Somebody jumps a red light and it's the other person's fault for not getting out of the way quickly enough? Sheesh!

[dunroaming]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The MB is thinking the Honda will continue the turn and the MB will pass the ass of the Honda. 

Could be that and maybe the Honda stopped (you can see he does that) because he thought that the Benz would then swing in front of him.  If the black car was running a red light then he is totally to blame here. IMO

[zyphodb]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's not careful, that's not being sure of your driving capabilities. Some equate slow with safe, false assumption.

Hesitation, not doing one thing or the other but dithering between the two is a good way to cause an accident...

 

[gerritkaew]

you see the Honda stop for the fast coming mercedes and the merc just drive in to it, not want to swerve around the honda no just try to hit the car ?

Like he do it on purpose, why he want to do like this ?

[TigerandDog]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

being careful, not all Thai s drive like lunatics

nothing to do with being careful. They think it's safe to drive at that speed, BUT from my experience in the north drivers that proceed at around 40km/hr, without a heavy load that would warrant that speed, usually don't have a license, and  they seem to think that by driving slow the police won't stop them. Unfortunately, driving that slowly is just as dangerous as speeding.

[TigerandDog]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

For sure Benz thought Honda would turn and this is why he went to the right . As pointed out already both absolute morons but legally Honda in the wrong 

how can the Honda be in the wrong? The merc ran a red light.

[Thunglom]

when will the media stop using the word carnage and THINK about the issues surrounding road safety in Thailand.

 

this video could take place in any country around the world and doesn't do help solve the road safety problems.

 

BTW - that looks like an "official" car.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Thunglom

[Bangkok Barry]

31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Where's the location of the red light in the CCTV video that he went through?

Well, as the report said so I have to accept that they didn't make it up. No guarantee, of course. Someone who knows the road might be able to confirm there is a set of signals out of camera range.

[Mike k]

3 hours ago, catch104 said:

Because most here do not respect red light, so better move with caution. The Benz mus also be the wost possible driver, 3 lanes to avoid and made the worst possible choice. Not to mention the car was probably aroun 100 kph for such impact 

They don't respect red lights, zebra crossings, traffic directions on 1 way streets or stop signs 

[Thunglom]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's not careful, that's not being sure of your driving capabilities. Some equate slow with safe, false assumption.

Yes - people use the phrase "defensive driving" without having a clue what it actually is.

"

The book has a useful road safety acronym: - mind you as a mnemonic it falls a bit short….

 

“IPSGA ...

 

·      I = Information received from the outside world by observation, and given by use of signals such as direction indicators, headlamp flashes, and horn; is a general theme running continuously throughout the application of the system by taking, using and giving information;

·      P =  Position on the road optimised for safety, visibility and correct routing, followed by best progress;

·      S =  Speed appropriate to the hazard being approached, attained via explicit braking or throttle control (engine braking), always being able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road;

·      G =  Gear appropriate for maximum vehicle control through the hazard, selected in one shift; and

·      A =  Acceleration for clearing the hazard safely.

 

[Roadcraft.]

[Mike k]

25 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Could be that and maybe the Honda stopped (you can see he does that) because he thought that the Benz would then swing in front of him.  If the black car was running a red light then he is totally to blame here. IMO

Depends on how rich the driver of the Benz is ????

[BestB]

53 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Why do you think the Honda is in the wrong? She was already into the turn when the Benz came speeding towards her. It is the responsibility of any road user to be sure his path ahead is clear. The speeding Benz driver failed to brake or swerve and hit her square on. It just goes to show that even an expensive Mercedes bends.

Might be wise to know road rules so then you do not have to ask why or go into a pointless demagogue  of what you think is right 

[2long]

The Merc driver lost control before impact. You can see the car change its stance. 

For sure he was driving too fast, even if the lights are green, it's blatantly clear that there's a car in the intersection and the colour of the lights means nothing. She could have stalled or broken down or even died... he was driving too fast and couldn't stop.

[BestB]

25 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

how can the Honda be in the wrong? The merc ran a red light.

Benz had right of way, Honda turning . Even if it’s half an inch out of the lane waiting to turn it’s already technically breaking the rules 

[kiwikeith]

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

That MB driver must have been busy on his phone or something to hit the Honda square on like this and the red light bit has nothing to do with the outcome...

The Benz driver ran the red light then tried to avoid the turning car, so why the enquiry into this???, the  driver should be prosecuted but --- not simple if they have access to post office envelopes

[Liverpool Lou]

18 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

51 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Where's the location of the red light in the CCTV video that he went through?

Well, as the report said so I have to accept that they didn't make it up. No guarantee, of course.

There's a video showing everything where it happened, you don't believe what can plainly be seen?

[Lokie]

My penny's worth;

- Root Cause is the abysmal standard of driver training in LOS (or non exsistant in a lot of cases) Yes the Merc was travelling at excessive speed, yes the Honda came to a standstill across the oncoming active lane (dithering, Rabbit in headlamp type of thing, who knows?)

 

Thing appears to me in the footage is: The Honda starts to execute the turn way too early for the entrance to the building grounds, so is travelling at an odd angle to access the gate coming diagonally across the rd (Honda is actually obstructing vehicles leaving the Grounds out of the exit filter because of its low angle of early attempted turn) shes coming into the wrong side of the gate at execution hence too early, another few meters before turn was to commence

 

- Now the Merc, way too fast, if you look again at CCTV It looks like he thinks I can make it passed in front of the Honda on the nearside kerb of the road. The merc jinks to the left half way along the rd then realizes holy $ hi t not gonna make it, then jinks back to the right, his speed mixed with these quick wheel inputs then upsets his MB ASSYS system and puts the merc into what in the motorbike world is commonly know as a Tank-Slapper!! If/What - Cudda/Shudda etc...

 

If one had been a competent driver accident would probably not happend but on the occasions you get two incompetent drivers then it will end in tears. Hope they ok mind, but yeah its cringe-worthy watching the awful driving... 555

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Not if you want to gain a high number of readers. Who wants to read Benz and Honda Collide In Downtown Bangkok. I once called such headlines on this site clickbait and was banned from posting for a week. So, to avoid any misunderstanding in this land of free speech, I believe this was a simple misunderstanding of the English language. Could happen with anyone. I'm sure many of us have used the wrong word on occasion.

funny, the same happened to me.

surely, this would not happen on one of the "approved news sources" ????

Edited January 28, 2022 by tgw

[NatureFilm]

Don't think, the woman in the Honda was unhurt.

MB driver breaks far too late. Feels to me, he migth has been drunk, very slow reaction. Woman was confused, didn't know, what to do, maybe old or very unexperienced.

[chalawaan]

10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The MB is thinking the Honda will continue the turn and the MB will pass the ass of the Honda. 

MB thought wrong (if they thought at all, probably playing with phonesie) and both paid the price. Defensive driving is the only way to survive anywhere. 

Casualness causes casualties. 

[chalawaan]

4 hours ago, Quickmill said:

Brakes failure for benz, microsleep for honda.

????????Amulet blamed....????

[Thunglom]

29 minutes ago, Mike k said:

Depends on how rich the driver of the Benz is ????

people always want to attribute "blame" in an accident..... and they like to see it in black and white.

In this case assuming the Merc crashed the red light it is legally his fault - no doubt

BUT one should also ask could the Jazz have done anything to mitigate the accident - this is difficult to say. What if they were drunk?

[Thunglom]

32 minutes ago, Mike k said:

Depends on how rich the driver of the Benz is ????

 

Just now, Thunglom said:

people always want to attribute "blame" in an accident..... and they like to see it in black and white.

In this case assuming the Merc crashed the red light it is legally his fault - no doubt

BUT one should also ask could the Jazz have done anything to mitigate the accident - this is difficult to say. What if they were drunk?

It looks like an official car, maybe that is why there is a delay on who was in it.

[firemans35]

Some are blaming the driver of the white Car for being careful saying the driver must be unsure of their ability. Looks like to be the driver of the white car was creeping forward so they could get a better look at what was coming in the opposite direction. There is something in between the two roads. Perhaps it was partially blocking the view. Also looked like to me the driver of the MB was driving faster than he should have been and panicked

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

Some are blaming the driver of the white Car for being careful saying the driver must be unsure of their ability. Looks like to be the driver of the white car was creeping forward so they could get a better look at what was coming in the opposite direction. There is something in between the two roads. Perhaps it was partially blocking the view. Also looked like to me the driver of the MB was driving faster than he should have been and panicked

While sometimes ‘over caution’ does create issues... i.e the ‘creepers’....    I had one at a traffic island yesterday, so hesitant, stopped, crept, stopped a bit more, turned for the exit changed his mind !!!

 

The creepers are generally those who are ‘scared’ of their car or don’t know their direction and will just stop in the middle lane !!!...    

 

Thats not to say anyone faster than a creeper is a lunatic.. but the creepers cause problems. 

 

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In this case - the Merc went through a red light (as reported) so, it doesn’t really matter what the creeper was doing. If the lights were on red, that was that.

 

 

Now... Has the Merc driver claimed brake failure yet ?