Thai Road Carnage: Same old story as motorcyclist hit by pick-up while making a U-turn

[webfact]

Picture: Thai Rath

 

It was a story heard all too frequently on the dangerous Thai roads last night in Sattahip.

 

A driver of a Revo pick-up called Jirasak, 22, said he was going straight when a motorcycle attempting to make a U-turn cut in front of his path from the left giving him no chance to brake.

 

Jirasak ended up 100 meters down the road with a damaged front end.

 

Forty four year old Phairach on a Honda Dream was not so lucky.

 

Bits of him - in too graphic details to reproduce from Thai Rath - were all over the road. 

 

The accident happened outside the Phlu Ta Luang Housing estate about 8 pm.

 

Local police officer Lt-Col Ekkachai Moonlee is investigating the death of Phairach, a local man. 

 

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[mikebell]

If it took the driver 100 metres to stop and there were body parts strewn all over the road, then the  pickup was going too fast. 500 baht fine.

[Enoon]

Indeed it is the "same old story".

 

Why bother printing it?

 

Not had enough lists of "never to be applied" solutions?

 

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Enoon

[thailand49]

Yep same excuse!  Brake failure? going too fast to be able to stop! If this road has any CCTV, one can go back and check how fast this Revo guy was going I suspect it was fast to have taken the bike after impact so far!  Lucky there wasn't a Crosswalk?

[hotchilli]

The infamous... he did something I wasn't expecting, and I couldn't stop.

Another one bites the dust....

[sateuk]

1 hour ago, thailand49 said:

Yep same excuse!  Brake failure? going too fast to be able to stop! If this road has any CCTV, one can go back and check how fast this Revo guy was going I suspect it was fast to have taken the bike after impact so far!  Lucky there wasn't a Crosswalk?

Says he swerved to try and avoid the motorbike, causing his brakes to fail, that's if the translation is correct, looks like he was speeding

[thailand49]

2 hours ago, sateuk said:

Says he swerved to try and avoid the motorbike, causing his brakes to fail, that's if the translation is correct, looks like he was speeding

Although ABS depending on the model pretty standard these days if the police are trained which I highly don't think it possible here you will see markings on the road that can determine the accident and if the driver is lying.

 

What I've found living here and witnessing a number of accident and of course reading them here Thais never were told or instructed to always brake and head straight it is human nature to try to avoid but unless you have been trained properly and even then it isn't easy (human nature) you want to avoid and at times it creates much more problems this is particular true if you are driving a tractor trailer. In this case my assumption there was no doubt he was speeding examining the brakes lines etc can easily determine if the brakes actually failed.  Here?????

 

[yeahbutif]

It does say motorcycle over took on the left then cut in front......so bike at fault .. nothing to do with speed of the car surely..

[Moonlover]

12 minutes ago, yeahbutif said:

It does say motorcycle over took on the left then cut in front......so bike at fault .. nothing to do with speed of the car surely..

Agreed, I see that dangerous manoeuvre by motorcyclists time and time again. They do not seem to have a clue how to approach a right turn or a U turn safely.

 

They move to the left and then look over their shoulder. All too often they either don't see an approaching vehicle or misjudge its speed.

 

I can see little reason to blame the pick up driver for this tragic accident.

[sateuk]

43 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Agreed, I see that dangerous manoeuvre by motorcyclists time and time again. They do not seem to have a clue how to approach a right turn or a U turn safely.

 

They move to the left and then look over their shoulder. All too often they either don't see an approaching vehicle or misjudge its speed.

 

I can see little reason to blame the pick up driver for this tragic accident.

Watch the CCTV 

[Moonlover]

13 minutes ago, sateuk said:

Watch the CCTV 

What CCTV?

[connda]

12 hours ago, mikebell said:

If it took the driver 100 metres to stop and there were body parts strewn all over the road, then the  pickup was going too fast. 500 baht fine.

Actually the Revo drivers was probably doing the speed limit.

[connda]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Agreed, I see that dangerous manoeuvre by motorcyclists time and time again. They do not seem to have a clue how to approach a right turn or a U turn safely.

 

They move to the left and then look over their shoulder. All too often they either don't see an approaching vehicle or misjudge its speed.

 

I can see little reason to blame the pick up driver for this tragic accident.

Total lack of driving skills as well. MC pull to the far left and then cut directly across the road at almost a 90 degree angle to traffic AT the U-turn.  Happens all the time. 
How do you do it safely.  Anticipate the turn, bring you MC up to at least 80, gauge traffic behind you and merge to the far right,  keep your speed up unless you have a shoulder on the right otherwise run the risk of being hit by someone at speed in the "fast-lane", move into the deceleration lane as soon as possible.   That's not what happens.  My last trip to Lamphun I had three separate instances where I had to lay on the horn as MC drivers pulled out from the left without looking, and one moron women simple placed her MC in the middle of oncoming traffic and simply stopped to turn right.  Just Insanity.

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, yeahbutif said:

It does say motorcycle over took on the left then cut in front......so bike at fault .. nothing to do with speed of the car surely..

Who actually said that..... ( I cannot read Thai)? If it was the Revo driver I would be cynical. Dead people can't answer back. Would a small bike like that be able to undertake a fast moving vehicle? I live near a U-Turn on Hwy 36, it is a death trap, and cars mostly really travel too fast in it's vicinity. 

[actonion]

10 hours ago, sateuk said:

Watch the CCTV 

Watch  CCTV if its working ....Thai's dont do Maintenance

[brianthainess]

13 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Who actually said that..... ( I cannot read Thai)? If it was the Revo driver I would be cynical. Dead people can't answer back. Would a small bike like that be able to undertake a fast moving vehicle? I live near a U-Turn on Hwy 36, it is a death trap, and cars mostly really travel too fast in it's vicinity. 

 

22 hours ago, webfact said:

A driver of a Revo pick-up called Jirasak, 22, said he was going straight when a motorcycle attempting to make a U-turn cut in front of his path from the left giving him no chance to brake.

Seems you can't read English either. There is nothing to say the pick-up was speeding, or that his brakes failed. 

[jacko45k]

11 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Seems you can't read English either. There is nothing to say the pick-up was speeding, or that his brakes failed. 

No, what I quoted was 

Quote

It does say motorcycle over took on the left 

And I could not find where that was said, can you?.. Sorry if it is too early for you. I directed the question at the person who posted that statement, not you. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by jacko45k

[brianthainess]

12 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

cut in front of his path from the left

[bbko]

11 hours ago, Moonlover said:

What CCTV?

Motorbike 100% at fault, look at this vid, he make an illegal turn directly in front of the oncoming truck.

https://www.thairath.co.th/tv/program/khoa_yen_thairath/594577

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, bbko said:

Motorbike 100% at fault, look at this vid, he make an illegal turn directly in front of the oncoming truck.

https://www.thairath.co.th/tv/program/khoa_yen_thairath/594577

Yes, that makes it clear. What a dangerous looking place to do that. He wasn't even making a U-Turn. 

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, bbko said:

Motorbike 100% at fault, look at this vid, he make an illegal turn directly in front of the oncoming truck.

https://www.thairath.co.th/tv/program/khoa_yen_thairath/594577

Thanks for that. Yes that really does show us where the blame lies. Although I would criticize the pick up driver to a degree. He, like far too many drivers here, was driving at a fairly high speed, in the outside lane whilst passing a U turn opening. That is also the cause of many accidents and I've actually witnessed one very similar to this, plus numerous near misses.

[UbonEagle]

Watched some mullet grab rider just blatantly gun across lanes during u turn today, honestly 1 slip of clutch or motor stall and he'd be a pile of ashes in an urn. Agree lots of distracted lunatics in cars and trucks, but honestly watching some of these bike riders just makes me cringe

Edited February 19, 2022 by UbonEagle

[Mr Meeseeks]

Driving on the wrong side of the road, trying to cross three lanes of a highway at a junction... complete and utter idiocy that resulted in the forfeit of his own life.

 

Pick-up driver is not completely absolved of blame though, driving in the outside lane at speed, without due care and attention.

[Thunglom]

On 2/9/2022 at 6:16 AM, Enoon said:

Indeed it is the "same old story".

 

Why bother printing it?

 

Not had enough lists of "never to be applied" solutions?

 

 

"same old story" - yet no-one asks why. The answer is there but the police and authorities have ignored it for over 20 years.

Same old, same old cynical remarks from expats who also choose to ignore the answer, preferring tell us how much better they are than Thai people.

[couchpotato]

9 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

"same old story" - yet no-one asks why. The answer is there but the police and authorities have ignored it for over 20 years.

Same old, same old cynical remarks from expats who also choose to ignore the answer, preferring tell us how much better they are than Thai people.

Your reply is rather cynical also, so please tell us this 'answer' which you say is there. 

[Thunglom]

1 hour ago, couchpotato said:

Your reply is rather cynical also, so please tell us this 'answer' which you say is there. 

I'm not cynical at all - I'm skeptical. 

the answer is the same world wide - that is the "Safe System" - until Thailand adopts this there will be no improvement

 

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Thunglom

[Golden Triangle]

14 hours ago, Thunglom said:

I'm not cynical at all - I'm skeptical. 

the answer is the same world wide - that is the "Safe System" - until Thailand adopts this there will be no improvement

 

the answer is the same world wide - that is the "Safe System" - Which is what ?? Please explain further.

 

[Thunglom]

31 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

 

This is the problem on EL websites - the average punter has no idea what the safe system is. It is the basic system for implementing road safety. It is the scientific gold standard 

 

I think before people take time to post on road safety they should familiarise themselves with this science.

So I suggest you start with Google.

 

The Safe System is considered to be international best practice in road safety by the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the Organisation of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Both organisations recommend that all countries, regardless of their level of road safety performance, follow a Safe System approach.

 

Here is a list of organisations that have advocated implementation  the Safe System in Thailand.

·      The World Health Organization (WHO)  - https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/thailand/roadsafety/overview-en-final-25-7-19.pdf?sfvrsn=f9d7a862_2

·      Save the children Thailand - https://thailand.savethechildren.net/sites/thailand.savethechildren.net/files/library/Save%20the%20Children’s%20Work%20in%20Road%20Safety%20-%20The%207%25%20Project_1.pdf

·      ThaiRoads Foundation - http://www.thairoads.org/en/

·      International Road Assessment Program (iRAP) and Chulalongkorn University - https://irap.org/2018/11/new-thai-centre-of-excellence-chulalongkorn-university/

·      The Embassy of Sweden is coordinating a group called “the Embassy Friends of Road Safety (EFRS) - https://scandasia.com/tag/the-embassy-friends-of-road-safety-efrs/

·      Thailand Road Safety Observatory, TRSO -=http://www.atransociety.com/resources/pdf/pdfResearch2013-2018/2014/Project2014-006(Dr.Paramet).pdf

·      Arrive Alive - Association of Southeast Asian Nations Regional Road Safety Strategy and Action Plan (2005–2010) - https://www.adb.org/publications/arrive-alive-asean-regional-road-safety-and-action-plan-2005-2010

·      ASEAN TRANSPORT STRATEGIC PLAN 2016-2025 - https://www.itf-oecd.org/asean-transport-strategic-plan-2016-2025-and-progress-road-safety-initiatives

·      EU/ASEAN - https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/eu-and-asean-exchange-knowledge-and-best-practices-road-safety_en

·      Australia, Safe System Solutions  - https://www.austrade.gov.au/news/success-stories/australian-consultancy-helps-improve-road-safety-in-thailand

·      Bloomberg Philanthropies Initiative for Global Road Safety - https://www.bloomberg.org/public-health/improving-road-safety/

·      Office of Transport & Traffic Policy & Planning(OTP), Ministry of Transport - https://www.mot.go.th/about.html?dsfm_lang=EN&id=12

·      Thai RSC. - Accident road safety Data for Thailand - http://www.thairsc.com/eng/

·      World Bank - https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2019/03/26/working-towards-improving-road-safety-and-saving-lives-in-thailand

 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Thunglom

[greenmonkey]

wow... if you are stupid enough to make such a dangerous manouever, at least look to see what is coming... that is just crazy.

[Golden Triangle]

Thanks, a bit of reading to catch up on ????????????