Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[beautifulthailand99]

Zelenskiy has now sacked his hugely popular head of armed forces General Zalunhyi who refused to resign. This follows on from the sacking of his corrupt defence minister Resnikov last November. I'm away from my desktop working on an android tablet so unable to link the Guardian article and now many others openly reporting on this. Make no mistake this is huge and commentary suggests one of the fault lines over and above his popularity which is 96% to Zelenkiys 67% is his desire to conserve forces and equipment at the front rather than shamelessly ape the Russians meat assaults. Zelenskiy increasingly looking like South Vietnam's Nguyen Van Phieu their last President before the fall. Many of the NAFO Fellas on social are spitting blood Zalunhyi is hugely popular with his troops. We are entering the end game now messy oeace deal enforced by the US incoming probably along the lines of ceasefire and frozen fronts. It can't continue as it is with the mass slaughter for no good purpose.

 

This will come as a surprise to many on this thread as you seem only to read highly curated western propaganda rather than the unalloyed and sometimes uncomfortable truth. If the assertion is as I surmise then it really shows Zelenskiy in a terrible light with overtones of a dictator unable to share the limelight with a more popular army hero. But then he is an actor more used to the roar of the crowd than the rattle of the gun. 

Edited January 31 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

Link to that story snuck away down the page. And this my friends is how western media frames the Ukrainian conflict probably one of the biggest stories of the year so far and hugely impact full as to the progress of the war hidden as almost it didn't happen.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/volodymyr-zelenskiy-asked-top-general-to-step-down-but-he-refused?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Wobblybob]

15 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Zelenskiy has now sacked his hugely popular head of armed forces General Zalunhyi who refused to resign. This follows on from the sacking of his corrupt defence minister Resnikov last November. I'm away from my desktop working on an android tablet so unable to link the Guardian article and now many others openly reporting on this. Make no mistake this is huge and commentary suggests one of the fault lines over and above his popularity which is 96% to Zelenkiys 67% is his desire to conserve forces and equipment at the front rather than shamelessly ape the Russians meat assaults. Zelenskiy increasingly looking like South Vietnam's Nguyen Van Phieu their last President before the fall. Many of the NAFO Fellas on social are spitting blood Zalunhyi is hugely popular with his troops. We are entering the end game now messy oeace deal enforced by the US incoming probably along the lines of ceasefire and frozen fronts. It can't continue as it is with the mass slaughter for no good purpose.

 

This will come as a surprise to many on this thread as you seem only to read highly curated western propaganda rather than the unalloyed and sometimes uncomfortable truth. If the assertion is as I surmise then it really shows Zelenskiy in a terrible light with overtones of a dictator unable to share the limelight with a more popular army hero. But then he is an actor more used to the roar of the crowd than the rattle of the gun. 

Doesn't your Android tablet facilitate posting links, my does?

[beautifulthailand99]

It does but I hate it I prefer to work with a keyboard and mouse at a desktop anyway have rectified that with my last link.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Zelenskiy has now sacked his hugely popular head of armed forces General Zalunhyi who refused to resign. This follows on from the sacking of his corrupt defence minister Resnikov last November. I'm away from my desktop working on an android tablet so unable to link the Guardian article and now many others openly reporting on this. Make no mistake this is huge and commentary suggests one of the fault lines over and above his popularity which is 96% to Zelenkiys 67% is his desire to conserve forces and equipment at the front rather than shamelessly ape the Russians meat assaults. Zelenskiy increasingly looking like South Vietnam's Nguyen Van Phieu their last President before the fall. Many of the NAFO Fellas on social are spitting blood Zalunhyi is hugely popular with his troops. We are entering the end game now messy oeace deal enforced by the US incoming probably along the lines of ceasefire and frozen fronts. It can't continue as it is with the mass slaughter for no good purpose.

 

This will come as a surprise to many on this thread as you seem only to read highly curated western propaganda rather than the unalloyed and sometimes uncomfortable truth. If the assertion is as I surmise then it really shows Zelenskiy in a terrible light with overtones of a dictator unable to share the limelight with a more popular army hero. But then he is an actor more used to the roar of the crowd than the rattle of the gun. 

Rubbish. The Guardian article you refer to does not say he is sacked at all. In addition. You are reading too much disinformation on social.

 

It’s Not True’ – Ukraine’s Defense Ministry Responds to Reports That Zaluzhny Has Been Fired

 

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27339

Edited January 31 by Bkk Brian

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish. The Guardian article you refer to does not say he is sacked at all. In addition. You are reading too much disinformation on social.

 

It’s Not True’ – Ukraine’s Defense Ministry Responds to Reports That Zaluzhny Has Been Fired

 

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27339

Rubbish you are seeing a rare flaring of the true tensions at the top which even well connected and briefed western msm can't ignore. Looks pretty much like a damage limitation job in Western media with Zelenkiy may have backed down if that is the case. Plus this is all over western media they wouldn't be reporting social media tittle tattle. This has been brewing for months as well informed observers know only too well. Budanov the SBU chief is being touted as a replacement should the coup take place. What seems certain is Zaluhyi won't go quietly. 

Edited January 31 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Rubbish you are seeing a rare flaring of the true tensions at the top which even well connected and briefed western msm can't ignore. Looks pretty much like a damage limitation job in Western media with Zelenkiy may have backed down if that is the case.

You made some very specific claims here...........(my highlights)

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Zelenskiy has now sacked his hugely popular head of armed forces General Zalunhyi who refused to resign. This follows on from the sacking of his corrupt defence minister Resnikov last November. I'm away from my desktop working on an android tablet so unable to link the Guardian article and now many others openly reporting on this. Make no mistake this is huge and commentary suggests one of the fault lines over and above his popularity which is 96% to Zelenkiys 67% is his desire to conserve forces and equipment at the front rather than shamelessly ape the Russians meat assaults. Zelenskiy increasingly looking like South Vietnam's Nguyen Van Phieu their last President before the fall. Many of the NAFO Fellas on social are spitting blood Zalunhyi is hugely popular with his troops. We are entering the end game now messy oeace deal enforced by the US incoming probably along the lines of ceasefire and frozen fronts. It can't continue as it is with the mass slaughter for no good purpose.

 

This will come as a surprise to many on this thread as you seem only to read highly curated western propaganda rather than the unalloyed and sometimes uncomfortable truth. If the assertion is as I surmise then it really shows Zelenskiy in a terrible light with overtones of a dictator unable to share the limelight with a more popular army hero. But then he is an actor more used to the roar of the crowd than the rattle of the gun. 

You can't back them up, that is where the rubbish is

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish. The Guardian article you refer to does not say he is sacked at all. In addition. You are reading too much disinformation on social.

 

It’s Not True’ – Ukraine’s Defense Ministry Responds to Reports That Zaluzhny Has Been Fired

 

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27339

Rubbish you are seeing a rare flaring of the true tensions at the top which even well connected and briefed western msm can't ignore. Looks pretty much like a damage limitation job in Western media with Zelenkiy may have backed down if that is the case. https://kyivindependent.com/commander-in-chief-zaluzhnyi/

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

Rubbish you are seeing a rare flaring of the true tensions at the top which even well connected and briefed western msm can't ignore. Looks pretty much like a damage limitation job in Western media with Zelenkiy may have backed down if that is the case. https://kyivindependent.com/commander-in-chief-zaluzhnyi/

Then back up your claims with a credible link that he has been sacked? Done

[beautifulthailand99]

From the Guardian article; 

Key points - 

* Assertion is that Zelensky's office is concerned by Zaluzhny on a political level, not military level

* Zelensky appears irritated that Zaluzhny is the most popular man in the country aside from him

* Zaluzhny posting photos of himself with his wife on Facebook were interpreted by Zelensky's office as a signal of political intent

* Zelensky warned generals against entering politics in November, stressing importance of military hierarchy 

* Now that Zaluzhny has refused, Zelensky's only recourse is to sack him - which he is considering how to do

* Likely replacement would be Budanov

Confirms most of the leaks from yesterday, and comes from an extremely pro-UA source in the British Guardian newspaper.

Edited January 31 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

From the Guardian article; 

Key points - 

* Assertion is that Zelensky's office is concerned by Zaluzhny on a political level, not military level

* Zelensky appears irritated that Zaluzhny is the most popular man in the country aside from him

* Zaluzhny posting photos of himself with his wife on Facebook were interpreted by Zelensky's office as a signal of political intent

* Zelensky warned generals against entering politics in November, stressing importance of military hierarchy 

* Now that Zaluzhny has refused, Zelensky's only recourse is to sack him - which he is considering how to do

* Likely replacement would be Budanov

Confirms most of the leaks from yesterday, and comes from an extremely pro-UA source in the British Guardian newspaper.

You claimed Zelensky sacked Zaluzhny. 

 

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Zelenskiy has now sacked his hugely popular head of armed forces General Zalunhyi who refused to resign.

5. You will not use ASEAN NOW to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Topics or posts deemed to be scaremongering, deliberately misleading or which deliberately distort information will be removed. In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.

[beautifulthailand99]

Let the mods decide its the Guardian and other MSM discussing this which interestingly you seek to censor rather than debate. If this is just a proganda thread then let's have a rule and I'll be out. There are plenty of other places after all ti have an informed discussion amongst adults.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Let the mods decide its the Guardian and other MSM discussing this which interestingly you seek to censor rather than debate. If this is just a proganda thread then let's have a rule and I'll be out. There are plenty of other places after all ti have an informed discussion amongst adults.

No its you spreading false claims then attempting to deflect them. 

[beautifulthailand99]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No its you spreading false claims then attempting to deflect them. 

Claims made in the western mainstream media now contested fair enough thats my claim no need for any deletion. You would rather kill the messenger than address the substance of my post. I caught you out on an Israel thread with a false claim which you were forced to retract where you claimed a source was a conspiracy site which it wasn't.

Edited January 31 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

Claims made in the western mainstream media now contested fair enough thats my claim no need for any deletion. You would rather kill the messenger than address the substance of my post. I caught you out on an Israel thread with a false claim which you were forced to retract where you claimed a source was a conspiracy site which it wasn't.

You haven't caught me out anywhere troll, just tell the truth and stop derailing topics:

 

[beautifulthailand99]

Being discussed and the implications if it were to happen at The Hill. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4436569-firing-ukraines-top-general-would-be-a-mistake/

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

Being discussed and the implications if it were to happen at The Hill. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4436569-firing-ukraines-top-general-would-be-a-mistake/

Who cares, more deflection from your deliberate misinformation that you refuse to acknowledge

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You haven't caught me out anywhere troll, just tell the truth and stop derailing topics:

 

You are trying to goad me into abuse of which I will not do as I am a reasonable man I suggest politely you follow suite.You appear not to want a debate just promote and discuss Ukraine propaganda without any tough love critical friend concern. Don't worry when I'm back to the UK in a couple of weeks I'll leave you to it and retire once more from these hallowed portals. Have a nice day.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You are trying to goad me into abuse of which I will not do as I am a reasonable man I suggest politely you follow suite.You appear not to want a debate just promote and discuss Ukraine propaganda without any tough love critical friend concern. Don't worry when I'm back to the UK in a couple of weeks I'll leave you to it and retire once more from these hallowed portals. Have a nice day.

No, correct, I don't want to debate with posters who spread misinformation. Unless of course you acknowledge you were wrong to do so and get back on the actual topic of this thread.

 

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Rubbish you are seeing a rare flaring of the true tensions at the top which even well connected and briefed western msm can't ignore. Looks pretty much like a damage limitation job in Western media with Zelenkiy may have backed down if that is the case. https://kyivindependent.com/commander-in-chief-zaluzhnyi/

RT propaganda

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, correct, I don't want to debate with posters who spread misinformation. Unless of course you acknowledge you were wrong to do so and get back on the actual topic of this thread.

 

he must have been following RT and their daily propaganda

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

he must have been following RT and their daily propaganda

Lol. Also add Putin shill, how many roubles are they paying you comrade, its a quiet day in St Petersburg to that epithet. More informed speculation in the Financial Times

 

https://www.ft.com/content/aa9aacfc-c248-4550-bf28-d79ad4c553cb

 

 

[Mavideol]

12 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Lol. Also add Putin shill, how many roubles are they paying you comrade, its a quiet day in St Petersburg to that epithet. More informed speculation in the Financial Times

 

https://www.ft.com/content/aa9aacfc-c248-4550-bf28-d79ad4c553cb

 

 

you jumped to conclusions too fast, it's not done yet.... below you will find some good links to keep you up to date

Top Ukrainian general ‘refused to step down’ as Zelensky rift deepens

https://au.yahoo.com/news/top-ukrainian-general-refused-step-220641213.html

 

Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyi at center of rumors after alleged removal request

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-top-general-zaluzhnyi-center-110600968.html

 

Edited January 31 by Mavideol

[Mavideol]

and while some question Ukraine performance, they are doing just fine... IF  they only had the right tools

Russian attacks on Tavria front plummet after Ukraine takes out Su-34 fighter over Luhansk Oblast

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russian-attacks-tavria-front-plummet-131000735.html

 

Ukraine would win war faster if it could fire British weapons into Russia, head of navy says

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-win-war-faster-could-154800500.html

 

Edited January 31 by Mavideol

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Link to that story snuck away down the page. And this my friends is how western media frames the Ukrainian conflict probably one of the biggest stories of the year so far and hugely impact full as to the progress of the war hidden as almost it didn't happen.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/volodymyr-zelenskiy-asked-top-general-to-step-down-but-he-refused?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Lol, using the guardian to prove your claim

"And this my friends is how western media frames the Ukrainian conflict probably one of the biggest stories of the year so far and hugely impact full as to the progress of the war hidden as almost it didn't".

[CharlieH]

Reported Trolling/Baiting remark has been removed.

[beautifulthailand99]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Lol, using the guardian to prove your claim

"And this my friends is how western media frames the Ukrainian conflict probably one of the biggest stories of the year so far and hugely impact full as to the progress of the war hidden as almost it didn't".

Like I said it's being reported by the BBC, New York Times ,The Spectator - the esteemed Russia commentator Mark Galeotti no less and many other sources. Which means in the terms of reference for this forum at least it happened. None of you want to discuss this intelligently it would seem. Never mind I am on X with several hundred followers and Reddit with 20k karma where we do of course. Slava Ukrainia ! https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/zelenskys-rivalry-with-zaluzhny-spells-bad-news-for-ukraine/

Edited January 31 by beautifulthailand99

[Morch]

11 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Being discussed and the implications if it were to happen at The Hill. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4436569-firing-ukraines-top-general-would-be-a-mistake/

 

Earlier you said it did happen. In the above post it's 'were it to happen'.

 

 

11 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Let the mods decide its the Guardian and other MSM discussing this which interestingly you seek to censor rather than debate. If this is just a proganda thread then let's have a rule and I'll be out. There are plenty of other places after all ti have an informed discussion amongst adults.

 

Plenty of places, and yet you keep coming back here. Hmmm.

[tgw]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Like I said it's being reported by the BBC, New York Times ,The Spectator - the esteemed Russia commentator Mark Galeotti no less and many other sources. Which means in the terms of reference for this forum at least it happened. None of you want to discuss this intelligently it would seem. Never mind I am on X with several hundred followers and Reddit with 20k karma where we do of course. Slava Ukrainia ! https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/zelenskys-rivalry-with-zaluzhny-spells-bad-news-for-ukraine/

 

Don't worry, the GLiSDiBs have arrived in Ukraine.
Better news are coming soon.

Boom here, Badaboom there.

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, tgw said:

 

Don't worry, the GLiSDiBs have arrived in Ukraine.
Better news are coming soon.

Boom here, Badaboom there.

Yep, here's a couple of links...............

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/30/new-us-made-longer-range-bomb-expected-to-arrive-as-soon-wednesday-in-ukraine-00138566

 

The video shows the ground-launched small-diameter bombs (GLSDB) Ukraine was set to receive from the US. 

GLSDB is a novel long-range weapon yet to be in the US arsenal capable of hitting targets 150 km away.