Russian and Ukrainian tourists in Thailand beginning to face financial transaction and travel problems due to sanctions, invasion

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

As far as I know there is no other carriers to/from Russia left. And the remaining tourists will have a difficult time to return home.

Special arrangements?

 

Charter?

 

The major ticket distribution systems, like SABRE and Amadeus, have stopped processing agreements with AEROFLOT.

 

 

I assume immigration will grant these folks Invasion Extensions?

 

But if they can't pay  - credit cards not being processed - not sure what will happen?

 

And those on legitimate extensions may face income/money-in-bank challenges.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 6:04 AM, bkk6060 said:

Yes.  I would let the Ukrainians stay for free.  The Russians can fend for themselves good luck.

Would that not be a bit like blaming ordinary Thais for the incompetence of the unelected soldier posing as their PM?

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 7:33 AM, wombat said:

I'm disgusted with the negativity shown towards Russians by members on this thread.

Speak to a Russian and ask what their opinion is before decrying them.

When I saw George Bush calling out Putin for invading a sovereign nation with no provocation was when I went.... what the fornicate?

I was going to give you a like until I saw these words ".... what the fornicate?" I just don't understand this, I apologise if you are not an English Native Speaker.

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 8:46 AM, RocketDog said:

Holding individuals responsible for the actions of their governments is short-sighted, misguided, and frankly ignorant.

I hope you didn't mean that to sound as bigoted as it came out in print.

I wonder how many farangs are blaming their wives for a bunch of tinpot soldiers backed up by guns overthrowing a democracy elected government here in Thailand.

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 8:54 AM, bunnydrops said:

I am against all wars. But I do think people should see both sides of the picture.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

There is no excuse for any country in the world to invade any other country against the will of that other countries people, especially if they are killing innocent people like women and children as the news reports say the Russians have been doing.

Just remember, you cannot blame the ordinary Russian people for what that despot Putin is responsible for.

[rott]

3 hours ago, daejung said:

And now Visa and Mastercard suspended their services in Russia. Russian travellers can no longer use these credit cards

Does that mean they have only suspended their services in Russia or Russian issued cards are suspended everywhere.? 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, rott said:

Does that mean they have only suspended their services in Russia or Russian issued cards are suspended everywhere.? 

 

Worldwide

 

NEW YORK — Mastercard and Visa are suspending their operations in Russia, the companies said Saturday, in the latest blow to the country’s financial system after its invasion of Ukraine.

Mastercard said cards issued by Russian banks will no longer be supported by its network and any card issued outside the country will not work at Russian stores or ATMs.

“We don’t take this decision lightly,” Mastercard said in a statement, adding that it made the move after discussions with customers, partners and governments.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/05/mastercard-visa-suspend-operations-russia-00014425

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 9:34 AM, OmegaRacer said:

Yes, he's for real and quite right. There have been agreements in place to keep countries as buffer zones between Russia and the West (Churchill to Stalin at Yalta and Potsdam in 1944-45 first and NATO to Yeltsin in the 1990s in return for accepting the reunification of Germany). However, these concessions have been pretty much ignored, leading to Putin to lash out.
Not that I condone any of his actions, but it would be wise to consider all points of views before pointing fingers. The world ain't all neatly black and white, despite what some people think.

And making the Russian tourists here scapegoats for their president's action is exactly the shortsighted and irrational-emotional reaction that got us in this mess in the first place.

"Not that I condone any of his actions, but it would be wise to consider all points of views before pointing fingers."

There is no excuse for anyone invading a country and murdering innocent women and children.

End of story.

[steven100]

On 3/2/2022 at 5:13 AM, garyk said:

Rumor is they are going to invade Jomtien! 

I would like to join the Jomtien's and fight for their land ......   where do i sign up    !!

[NoshowJones]

On 3/2/2022 at 10:14 AM, Neeranam said:

Interesting. Are the soldiers held at gunpoint to join the army?

This is a war and drastic measures ensue. I urge all hotel owners and other business owners to ban Russians. 

"Are the soldiers held at gunpoint to join the army?"

For the countries who still have compulsary national service. then the answer is yes. ie, if protesters here in Thailand storm the government after the pandemic finishes to get rid of the unelected PM, if Thailands history is anything to go by, then you can bet the soldiers will use guns on them.

[Woof999]

On 3/5/2022 at 8:57 AM, StraightTalk said:

Thanks for the link. Well, he wasn't bluffing, was he?

Do you think that Putin represents the views of the Russian people? If so, why the need to lie to them about what he is actually ordering the military to do in Ukraine? Why the need to immediately quell any protest in Russian cities against his war (for that is what it is).

 

If the war is in fact what the people of Russia want, then why shouldn't those outside of Russia have strong feelings against ordinary Russian citizens?

 

Or is the reality that this war was brought on by a dictator that is holding on the desire to reinstate an empire that collapsed 3 decades ago. An empire that the majority of his subjects never saw in their lifetime. An empire that was built on suppression, threat and the inability to form ones own beliefs. An empire that requires any neighbouring country to give up any right they have to self determination. An empire built on "we think you are a threat to us, so we will attack you".

 

Do you think any Ukrainians want to see their own homeland become another Belarus?

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I was going to give you a like until I saw these words ".... what the fornicate?" I just don't understand this, I apologise if you are not an English Native Speaker.

It's a euphemism for a four-letter word which is automatically deleted on this forum.

Took me back to an episode of "The Sweeney" where John Thaw questions a Scottish detective:

Thaw: "Who or what is hob ma gandy?"

Scot: "Fornication."

[tomazbodner]

17 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

Do you think that Putin represents the views of the Russian people? If so, why the need to lie to them about what he is actually ordering the military to do in Ukraine? Why the need to immediately quell any protest in Russian cities against his war (for that is what it is).

 

If the war is in fact what the people of Russia want, then why shouldn't those outside of Russia have strong feelings against ordinary Russian citizens?

 

Or is the reality that this war was brought on by a dictator that is holding on the desire to reinstate an empire that collapsed 3 decades ago. An empire that the majority of his subjects never saw in their lifetime. An empire that was built on suppression, threat and the inability to form ones own beliefs. An empire that requires any neighbouring country to give up any right they have to self determination. An empire built on "we think you are a threat to us, so we will attack you".

 

Do you think any Ukrainians want to see their own homeland become another Belarus?

Saw this video which makes me believe, we're going to see a long war in Ukraine:

 

While some will disagree, I think it's well articulated and supported.

 

This article (not sure if BBC links are allowed) shows that Russian media has possibly stronger grip on people than many other parts of the World: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Saw this video which makes me believe, we're going to see a long war in Ukraine:

 

While some will disagree, I think it's well articulated and supported.

 

This article (not sure if BBC links are allowed) shows that Russian media has possibly stronger grip on people than many other parts of the World: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487

Putin is now squealing the sanctions are "an act of war".

IMO he thought the insulation he had built up in foreign reserves and fuel supply were enough to protect Russia from economic collapse. Now he is finding his Central Bank can't access those foreign reserves. The Europeans are cancelling energy projects and looking for supply elsewhere. Foreign companies are stampeding for the exits.

He's facing a prolonged insurgency in the Ukraine, and economic disaster at home. His only lifeline is China, good luck with that.

Back to the Cold War, everyone knows how that ended.

 

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Putin is now squealing the sanctions are "an act of war".

What's he gonna do? Nuke MasterCard?

 

 

[zoltannyc]

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I was going to give you a like until I saw these words ".... what the fornicate?" I just don't understand this, I apologise if you are not an English Native Speaker.

If someone is a native English speaker and doesn't know what fornication is maybe it's time to invest in a dictionary.

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Putin is now squealing the sanctions are "an act of war".

IMO he thought the insulation he had built up in foreign reserves and fuel supply were enough to protect Russia from economic collapse. Now he is finding his Central Bank can't access those foreign reserves. The Europeans are cancelling energy projects and looking for supply elsewhere. Foreign companies are stampeding for the exits.

He's facing a prolonged insurgency in the Ukraine, and economic disaster at home. His only lifeline is China, good luck with that.

Back to the Cold War, everyone knows how that ended.

 

If Putin thinks sanctions are an act of war, then we are already at WW3, so what is NATO waiting for?

[Longwood50]

I empathize with the Russian and Ukrainian people who are stuck in other countries.  Unless they came with some hard currency like Euro's or USD whatever purchasing power they thought they had with Rubles is now worth either very little or nothing at all.  If they can't access money back from their home country or use credit cards I can't imagine what alternatives they have. 
 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

I empathize with the Russian and Ukrainian people who are stuck in other countries.  Unless they came with some hard currency like Euro's or USD whatever purchasing power they thought they had with Rubles is now worth either very little or nothing at all.  If they can't access money back from their home country or use credit cards I can't imagine what alternatives they have. 
 

Not many I suppose.

They are in effect a kind of refugee but a kind that are not likely to be seen as a.priority group compared to.women and children fleeing Ukraine.

[Mavideol]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I am.

timing is everything and when opportunity present's itself  ????  rhetoric sounds/looks familiar and hope the US holds their word

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/china-pledge-taiwan-peace-reunification-095004377.html

China pledge Taiwan peace, 'reunification'

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has pledged to advance a "peaceful growth in relations" with Taiwan on the way to "reunification", and said his government firmly opposes any separatist activities or foreign interference.

 

[Mavideol]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not many I suppose.

They are in effect a kind of refugee but a kind that are not likely to be seen as a.priority group compared to.women and children fleeing Ukraine.

 Russians "refugee's" will not be starting "Go Fund Me" accounts soon  555

Edited March 6, 2022 by Mavideol

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

so they will not be starting "Go Fund Me" accounts  555

Not sure. Will Russians be blocked?

Edited March 6, 2022 by Jingthing

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, zoltannyc said:

If someone is a native English speaker and doesn't know what fornication is maybe it's time to invest in a dictionary.

Maybe he has led a sheltered life.

[John Drake]

Has any self identified Russian posted to AN and criticized Putin and Russia?  Some apparently joined the Ukrainian led protest a week or so ago in Bangkok. But I just wondered if any posted in protest on this forum. 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Has any self identified Russian posted to AN and criticized Putin and Russia?  Some apparently joined the Ukrainian led protest a week or so ago in Bangkok. But I just wondered if any posted in protest on this forum. 

I haven't seen any. For good reason I suspect.

[onthedarkside]

A trolling and off-topic meme has been removed.

 

[candide]

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Charter?

 

The major ticket distribution systems, like SABRE and Amadeus, have stopped processing agreements with AEROFLOT.

 

 

I assume immigration will grant these folks Invasion Extensions?

 

But if they can't pay  - credit cards not being processed - not sure what will happen?

 

And those on legitimate extensions may face income/money-in-bank challenges.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They will have to sell their properties.... And there are no Chinese to buy them.

It will be a good time to buy a condo in Jomtien! ????

[Banana7]

Russians can still get back to Moscow using Etihad airways. Flight EY63 from AUH to SVO. Etihad has  BKK and HKT to AUH flights daily. Next available flight in economy one way on March 10, 28,885 baht. Prices are fluctuating widely, up to 134,620 baht. Cash ONLY, no Rubles.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Banana7

[Will B Good]

On 3/2/2022 at 8:54 AM, bunnydrops said:

I am against all wars. But I do think people should see both sides of the picture.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

Even accepting every printed word in this article, do you feel these Nazis are such a threat to the Russian nation (with 2 million soldiers and a nuclear arsenal) .........that Russia is justified in invading Ukraine????

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Russians can still get back to Moscow using Etihad airways. Flight EY63 from AUH to SVO. Etihad has  BKK and HKT to AUH flights daily. Next available flight in economy one way on March 10, 28,885 baht. Prices are fluctuating widely, up to 134,620 baht. Cash ONLY.

 

 

Cash only....but not Roubles?