Thailand sees "kratom" as export crop now that narcotics laws have changed

[SiSePuede419]

 

Kratom is much more dangerous than THC.

 

regular kratom consumption may affect the cardiac rhythm and be associated with a risk of myocardial ischemia.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.726003/full

 

[kwak250]

7 hours ago, Henk Langeweg said:

Bought some Kratom powder at Shopee, put it in capsules and have 3 a day. I love it ... helps good to stay focussed. Not that I that always want of course ...

Say it again !

[wpcoe]

5 hours ago, David T Pike said:

I've been mispronouncing it this whole time?  He says KRAY-tuhm.  I've been saying kruh-TAHM.

[jts-khorat]

12 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:

i have gone all over the net to learn how to make tea .Nothing Tried chewing it still nothing. For sale now at many intersections  at 50 baht for around 15 leaves. Enough for tea. I sun dried it for two days then put it through A blender. instructions say many things but most say do not boil it just let it steep in hot water. for me No reaction. I was looking to help relax before sleep. But... Nothing??

Leaves must come from old trees, look for strong leaf veins and a decidedly nasty, bitter taste. The taste comes from the alcaloids, mainly mitragynine. You are making a tea, but you need to be aware that the tea is only a transport medium to get the plant material down. The alkaloids themselves are not water soluble, so the tea does absolutely nothing in this respect. Mitragynine is stable well beyond boiling temperature, so no reason to hold back in this regard.

 

Maybe people just expect too much from this? To really feel something, the dose needed is considerable and even then it compares abslutely not at all to any "real" drug.

 

Here in Germany, I use around 5 grams of high-quality dried and powdered material (from Indonesia, as they have very old-growth plantations), unheated, together with black pepper (Piperin) and grapefruit juice to prevent fast breakdown of alcaloids in the liver. 15 fresh leaves should be around the equivalent of this dry weight, but the whole leaf brings nothing if the cell structure is not broken up so the alkaloids become accessible, so I have never used those myself.

 

A lower dose was unfeelable, but I also never tried a higher dose to see if the effects would be stronger, as to date I saw no need for it: my dose will bring me into a very quiet, undisturbed feeling, nothing more, lasting around 1 hour max but taking up to 1.5 hours to start. I use it therefore, very seldomly, in conjunction with meditation if my head is just too much monkeying around and I cannot quiet myself in any other way.

 

I would not say that I sleep better afterwards, and I cannot say anything if it would help with chronic pain (I am not afflicted with such), as supposedly it does.

 

As somebody wrote about the side effects: besides chronic pain, Kratom is used for opiate withdrawal, but is itself opioid-like in its effect, hence there is the same risk of addiction and side effects if used indiscriminately often or over a longer period of time. Therefore, as with all drugs, take care and inform yourself beforehand, nobody should ever just "try something out", but make a proper risk asessment based on his own personal circumstances.

Additionally, maybe you should ask somebody actually consuming those same leaves in Thailand, if he is happy with this particular product quality-wise, how he prepares it and what the intended effects for him are and then evaluate if there really is any use case for you there. As they are sold openly and legally, making such an aquaintance should be really easy.

[Train]

Meanwhile, Indonesia has been exporting for years.  I'd be looking at cash crops that are in there infancy here in Asia.  Air America is hiring.

[AustinRacing]

20 hours ago, Docno said:

Central Narcotics Bureau of Singapore | News (cnb.gov.sg)
 

Well, I guess I'll be seeing more stories like these... and possibly 5 strokes of the cane

Try this. Pull the stalk from the middle of the leaves. Place a handful in a blender with a bit of water to make a smoothly. Pour content in steel pot squeeze a lemon into it and bring it to boil. Acid (lemon) is needed to extract the active ingredient. Filter out using cloth (coffee filter won’t work). There u have it. If it doesn’t work you ain’t got the right plant! How much you consume will depend on you so try a bit at a time, wait 10mins for it to kick in. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by AustinRacing

[connda]

Now if they could just grasp the same economic model for cannabis.

[connda]

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

Try this. Pull the stalk from the middle of the leaves. Place a handful in a blender with a bit of water to make a smoothly. Pour content in steel pot squeeze a lemon into it and bring it to boil. Acid (lemon) is needed to extract the active ingredient. Filter out using cloth (coffee filter won’t work). There u have it. If it doesn’t work you ain’t got the right plant! How much you consume will depend on you so try a bit at a time, wait 10mins for it to kick in. 

It's akin to drinking a beer. 

 

[Harveyboy]

22 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Try Jameson... works for me.

or the poor mans version..sangsom

[Batty]

23 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Kratom sounds really good if you don't mind any of the following.

Glatter says side effects of kratom include seizures, dangerously high blood pressure, damage to liver and kidneys, swelling of the brain, breathing problems, and cardiac arrest 

I guess it's ok as long as you export it??? Also the swelling of the brain may be good for some people.

Yes, if you take a pound of it. Take a pound of salt and you will likley experience liver damage also. Take too much Aspirin and you will have a stroke. Riding a motorcycle carries far more risk than driving a car. Want to be absolutely certain of avoiding an STD? Well, just stop shagging.

 

Christ, if you eat too much KALE you can have a fit and die.

 

Kratom is perfectly safe in appropriate doses and has buckets of benefits. Unlike actual opioids, if you begin to take too much you will feel sick, rather unwell and never make that mistake again. The chances of anything more serious than that are very small indeed.

 

Kratom isn't perfect, it does have risks if seriously abused (and I know, I know, you are one single Google search away from finding a horror story about some moron somewhere who had a heart attack after taking 200 grams in a day) those risks are small however and as a 48 year old intelligent bloke I would prefer it if governments allowed me to decide, as a fully grown man, if it's safe to take or not. 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 3/11/2022 at 3:12 PM, vandeventer said:

Kratom sounds really good if you don't mind any of the following.

Glatter says side effects of kratom include seizures, dangerously high blood pressure, damage to liver and kidneys, swelling of the brain, breathing problems, and cardiac arrest 

I guess it's ok as long as you export it??? Also the swelling of the brain may be good for some people.

Those are the side effects of taking excessive amounts of Kratom, or taking it regularly over a long period.  Almost anything can be harmful if taken in large enough amounts - even water. Ever heard of water toxemia?

 

Even some of the most commonly used medicines have a list of side effects as long as your arm.

 

Here are just some of the documented side effects of paracetamol:

 

Liver failure

Nausea

Vomiting

Abdominal pain

Diarrhea

Constipation

Dyspepsia

Enlarged abdomen

Anemia

Postoperative hemorrhage

Thrombocytopenia

Pulmonary edema

Hypoxia

Pleural effusion

Hypertension

Hypotension

Tachycardia 

 

And that's not even all of them.  In addition, excessive amounts of paracetamol can cause death.

 

You may not be aware of this (few people are, in my experience) but regular prescription drugs kill hundreds of thousands of people every year.

 

Each year in the US, about 128,000 people die from drugs prescribed to them. In Europe, the European Commission estimates that adverse reactions from prescription drugs cause 200,000 deaths per year.

 

Major Health Risks of Prescription Drugs

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by GroveHillWanderer

[leba]

Legalize cocaine, it will bring even more revenue ! haha

[mtls2005]

On 3/12/2022 at 11:29 AM, Train said:

Meanwhile, Indonesia has been exporting for years. 

Meh. Two years. And it's still banned for domestic use in Indonesia.

 

Now do Singapore.

 

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