Popular Post JimmyJ Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Being charged more than 5, and the illegal overcharge amount is printed on fliers for the landlord's buildings so there is no question of it existing. He has a lot of apartment units, more than the qualifier. Has anyone pursued this? With what result? If one wanted to report this, where/how to do that? Edited March 13, 2022 by JimmyJ 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just move to a condo where you can get govt rate, norm for apartments is 8 baht, sometimes 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: Just move to a condo where you can get govt rate, norm for apartments is 8 baht, sometimes 10 Government (legal) rate is 5. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hamus Yaigh Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, JimmyJ said: Government (legal) rate is 5. So buy your own property and pay the gov rate? Landlords can charge what they like, and tenants can accept it or leave. 3 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 We looked at renting a unit closer to my son’s school. The place was fine, large enough etc we were told that they were charging 8 baht per unit of electricity. I informed the Apartment manager that this was illegal and by law they have to provide the government rate and also only request 1 month deposit not two. Their response - its 8 baht per unit and 2 months deposit. They simply didn’t care what the law was. We went elsewhere, they knew why, they didn’t care. So... my guess is, no one will do anything about this. But, it would be nice know of how and where the complaint can be made and if it is followed up. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freedomnow Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 There's what they say, and what you pay. See how your life is in that place after trying to force that to happen.... If it's the end of your world to pay a few more baht per unit, move on. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyJ said: Has anyone pursued this? With what result? what do you think the result would be ..... you'd likely end up in the Khlong .. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post WEBBYB808 Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 The laws set in stone, so just go to police and file a complaint. They will straighten them out. The reason the land lords keep doing it is because no one reports them. Whats the worst that could happen you'd have to move and probably get a better deal? 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBBYB808 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 6 hours ago, freedomnow said: There's what they say, and what you pay. See how your life is in that place after trying to force that to happen.... If it's the end of your world to pay a few more baht per unit, move on. Si you say be a door mat! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 46 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said: Si you say be a door mat! I have a friend named Matt--people walk all over him! i used to pay 7 bt in my apt----just moved to a new place--cheaper rent but 8bt elec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBBYB808 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 12:02 AM, Sticky Rice Balls said: I have a friend named Matt--people walk all over him! i used to pay 7 bt in my apt----just moved to a new place--cheaper rent but 8bt elec You dont have to pool pay tgat. Just file a pokice conplaint 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunchWrapSupreme Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 5:02 PM, steven100 said: you'd likely end up in the Khlong .. That's pretty much what my wife said. We lived out in the provinces and took a 2 week BKK holiday. I then came home to another high electric bill as if we'd still been home. I said I want to show him the bus tickets. She said "No no, Mafia". Hah. If the electric's tacked on to your monthly rent invoice, you're at their mercy. If you rent say a condo and get the official govt bill in your mailbox, the orange one in BKK, or the purple one in the provinces, that's usually the only way it's fair. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steven100 Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 11:13 PM, WEBBYB808 said: The laws set in stone, so just go to police and file a complaint. They will straighten them out. The reason the land lords keep doing it is because no one reports them. Whats the worst that could happen you'd have to move and probably get a better deal? you haven't been in Thailand very long have you ..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WEBBYB808 Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, steven100 said: you haven't been in Thailand very long have you ..... Yes since 2015 and many times I have had to file complaints with the police and only once has it not came out in my favor. The police will uphold the law if its is the law and you file a complaint 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 16 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: You dont have to pool pay tgat. Just file a pokice conplaint I would but the manager lives here and I think id rather suck it up then have bad blood...she been nice to me with my room, which is only 3000 anyway....but thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 4:52 PM, WEBBYB808 said: Yes since 2015 and many times I have had to file complaints with the police and only once has it not came out in my favor. The police will uphold the law if its is the law and you file a complaint Surely one poster here is shocked - that you are still alive! "what do you think the result would be ..... you'd likely end up in the Khlong .. " He must regard you as "The man who has cheated death - Multiple times!!!" Good for you for standing up for your rights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) A poster in this thread states one reports the illegal overcharge to the OCPB - Office of the Consumer Protection Board. https://www.ocpb.go.th/index.php https://www.consumersinternational.org/members/members/office-of-the-consumer-protection-board-of-thailand Some more info in this thread which I'd forgotten I started: Edited March 18, 2022 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) On 3/13/2022 at 11:13 PM, WEBBYB808 said: The laws set in stone, so just go to police and file a complaint. They will straighten them out. The reason the land lords keep doing it is because no one reports them. Whats the worst that could happen you'd have to move and probably get a better deal? No need to complain...just calculate your probable monthly electricity consumption with the asked rate, then negotiate rent reduction with that amount so you don't pay any electricity at all. It is buyers market. They'll probably agree on rent reduction than reduce the electricity rate. Edited March 18, 2022 by gearbox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyman Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 4:25 PM, freedomnow said: There's what they say, and what you pay. See how your life is in that place after trying to force that to happen.... If it's the end of your world to pay a few more baht per unit, move on. Why not just look for a place that doesn’t mark up the electricity? Do you give people money just because they ask for it? If so, PM me for my prompt pay i could use a few baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Everyman said: Why not just look for a place that doesn’t mark up the electricity? Do you give people money just because they ask for it? If so, PM me for my prompt pay i could use a few baht Let me know if you find a place that doesn't...don't waste my time with this level of penny pinching...better things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 is there a "legal" set up price for rental, I don't think so. Prices are based on offer and demand, the owner asks as much as he wants for rent and/or for electricity, potential tenants have 2 choices = 1 accept or 2 decline and look for something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 hours ago, Mavideol said: is there a "legal" set up price for rental, I don't think so. Prices are based on offer and demand, the owner asks as much as he wants for rent and/or for electricity, potential tenants have 2 choices = 1 accept or 2 decline and look for something else Not quite... there is a legal stipulation on what an owner charges a tenant for deposit and electricity. IF the owner has 5 or more properties rented out they can only charge the government electricity rates and 1 month deposit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 22 hours ago, Mavideol said: is there a "legal" set up price for rental, I don't think so. Prices are based on offer and demand, the owner asks as much as he wants for rent and/or for electricity, potential tenants have 2 choices = 1 accept or 2 decline and look for something else "is there a "legal" set up price for rental, I don't think so." You (and Hamus Yaigh) could have answered this question simply by reading the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWNZ Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I know of someone here in Chiang Mai who challenged his condo office, they did reduce his electricity charge to 5THB, then the following month increased his rent.................... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) On 3/24/2022 at 12:05 PM, JWNZ said: I know of someone here in Chiang Mai who challenged his condo office, they did reduce his electricity charge to 5THB, then the following month increased his rent.................... It's disappointing if the Police are now handling this and not the OCPB. I went to the OCPB site (link in previous post of mine) and it is in Thai - cannot find an English language link for the site, which is also disappointing. I was imagining that this could be done by sending an anonymous complaint to the OCPB, along with proof (copy of the property's rental ad, etc.), that they would (eventually) followup, and that they would make sure that electricity for ALL apartments in the property would then only be listed/charged at the legal limit of 5 THB per Unit. If one has to make a non-anonymous complaint, then the Police follow up and reduce the charge to 5/Unit for the Complaintant ONLY while allowing the overcharging to continue for all other tenants, it is not going to change the abusive overcharging that is prevalent. Non-anonymity will also allow the simple method of retaliation which JWNZ describes. If there are fines to the overcharging landlords, the OCPB could make a fortune simply by looking at Real Estate ads and/or phone calling to Landlords/Rental Agents and asking what costs are involved when renting. Edited March 30, 2022 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Currently, overcharging for Electrical units is a hidden cost, along the lines of the USA's scammy "Resort Fees" - a hidden charge that allows landlords/hotels to give a deceptively low listing price. This also makes it much more difficult to compare prices, as many have the hidden extras of different amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/30/2022 at 2:58 PM, JimmyJ said: Currently, overcharging for Electrical units is a hidden cost, along the lines of the USA's scammy "Resort Fees" - a hidden charge that allows landlords/hotels to give a deceptively low listing price. This also makes it much more difficult to compare prices, as many have the hidden extras of different amounts. If the cost of electricity and or resort fee is listed in the lease agreement how is it the are hidden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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