Thailand’s #MeToo moment? Political sex assault scandal sparks debate, calls for change

[webfact]

Prinn Panitchpakdi, a former deputy leader of Thailand’s Democrat party, faces allegations of sexual misconduct and rape. Photo: Thai New Pix Handout via Reuters

 

Vijitra Duangdee in Bangkok

 

● Prinn Panitchpakdi resigned as deputy leader of Thailand’s Democrat Party after multiple sexual assault allegations against him surfaced

 

● Thailand has yet to have a #MeToo moment, but activists hope the younger generation’s lack of tolerance for such behaviour will bring about change

 

Allegations of rape and sexual assault against a deputy leader of Thailand’s oldest political party have stirred hopes for a belated #MeToo movement in the country, as the revelations also raise questions about the impunity and power enjoyed by Thai men.

 

Prinn Panitchpakdi, 44, resigned as a deputy leader of the Democrat Party in the wake of the allegations, with at least 15 other women thought to be preparing legal action against him.

 

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The British-educated ex-banker and son of a former secretary general of the World Trade Organization currently faces three charges of sexual assault and rape. More are expected to follow as additional victims come forward. He was released on bail over the weekend.

 

Prinn denies any wrongdoing and has vowed to clear his name. But his resignation seemingly ended a rising political career and threw his party into chaos.

 

Full story: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3174929/thailands-metoo-moment-political-sex-assault-scandal-sparks

 

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[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Prinn denies any wrongdoing and has vowed to clear his name. But his resignation seemingly ended a rising political career and threw his party into chaos.

Always the denial, but skeletons in the cupboard tell a different story.

[spidermike007]

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

[mikeymike100]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

Well said sir!

[Iamfalang]

Complain online.   Defamation.  Arrested.  Jailed.  
 

Good luck

[mtls2005]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

but activists hope the younger generation’s lack of tolerance for such behaviour will bring about change

Meh.

 

"Change"? Maybe in another fifty years.

 

This behavior is rooted in the thai social contract.

 

There will be no acknowledgement of the issue(s), there will be no discussions, except the usual defenses by the deniers and enablers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Peter pop]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

You write well but use a broad brush.  Your generalisation about the worrying decline in men's masculinity, manifests itself mostly amongst the chattering educated classes in all countries.  These same people are overrepresented in the 'entitled' generations.  My experience as someone who has been lucky enough to have worked in many countries, chosen to live in Thailand with my Thai wife , but have five children in England and Australia, is that they, their friends and the children of my ex work colleagues behave [for the most part] just the same way as I did in their elationships.  The girls are a little more confident and noisy but have no need to embrace 'me too' movements.  The men have loads of respect for ladies, with a helpful dose of 'Laddish' behaviour.  You worry too much.  Too much influenced by what you choose to read perhaps.

A more serious issue is the decline in male virility; their increasing inability to get the girls pregnant.  This compounded by the girls choosing to delay having children.  When I read about this, I do worry about the future.

[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, Peter pop said:

A more serious issue is the decline in male virility

Just how serious is this? It sounds like you are up to speed on this development and can share your "thoughts".

 

The Swanson Frozen Dinner heir told me that male virility can be enhanced with Testicle Tanning? Did that work for you?

 

More than happy to let you experiment with lasers on the testicles.

 

 

 

 

[mberbae]

I see a quick name change coming - Prinn  Papitchpakdi will

become Nok Petchaburi , and Life will continue on as normal.

[BangkokReady]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

I think that one of the reasons that metoo has been so successful in the West is that those societies are very "gynocentric", where women have a lot of power and privilege simply for the fact that they are women.  This means that an erosion of masculinity allows women to still be "themselves" and maintain their influence and lifestyle, a kind of double-dip.  In Thailand, however, things between men and women are a lot more quid pro quo.  If men were stopped from behaving how they wish, it would have an immediate knock-on effect on women's position in society.  Women cannot use their sexuality or femininity to get what they want and then scream "metoo!".

 

Thai men are a long way from being doting, grovelling, "happy wife - happy life", "let me check with the boss" types, and even modern and progressive Western men are beginning to question the narrative of "remove all the old fashion ways that women have to behave to keep men happy, but keep all the things that men have to do to keep women happy".

 

If we consider that the way men generally behave is selected by women, as women decide what kind of man is desirable and this then has an affect on how men typically behave, then Thai women choose men who act in this way and therefore benefit from it.  If you remove the benefits of being a powerful, wealthy and connected man, you remove the motivation to do the hard work involved in reaching that status.

 

If women choose money and power as the decider of who is a desirable man, if they approach relationships in terms of what the man can provide and not how the man treats them, turning a blind eye to infidelity and choosing to socialise more with other women than their spouses, they are the ones who have chosen this type of man to be the ideal version.

 

It becomes a "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it" situation.

 

(Obviously the metoo movement is aimed at solely sexual harassment, but in the West it quickly morphed into bad dates and unwanted romantic propositions as being viewed as sexual harassment.  It's sort of "the thin end of the wedge" in terms of feminising men and making then feel scared of approaching women in any way, lest they lose their job, their social position, or end up in court.)

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

I think that one of the reasons

So this is just one reason of, many?

 

Feel free to continue your mansplaining.

 

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

This means that an erosion of masculinity allows women to still be "themselves" and maintain their influence and lifestyle, a kind of double-dip.

The "force" is strong with this one.

 

 

 

Posts like this should come with a warning, not sure I can wash the stench off.

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

13 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think that one of the reasons that metoo has been so successful in the West is that those societies are very "gynocentric", where women have a lot of power and privilege simply for the fact that they are women.  This means that an erosion of masculinity allows women to still be "themselves" and maintain their influence and lifestyle, a kind of double-dip.  In Thailand, however, things between men and women are a lot more quid pro quo.  If men were stopped from behaving how they wish, it would have an immediate knock-on effect on women's position in society.  Women cannot use their sexuality or femininity to get what they want and then scream "metoo!".

 

Thai men are a long way from being doting, grovelling, "happy wife - happy life", "let me check with the boss" types, and even modern and progressive Western men are beginning to question the narrative of "remove all the old fashion ways that women have to behave to keep men happy, but keep all the things that men have to do to keep women happy".

 

If we consider that the way men generally behave is selected by women, as women decide what kind of man is desirable and this then has an affect on how men typically behave, then Thai women choose men who act in this way and therefore benefit from it.  If you remove the benefits of being a powerful, wealthy and connected man, you remove the motivation to do the hard work involved in reaching that status.

 

If women choose money and power as the decider of who is a desirable man, if they approach relationships in terms of what the man can provide and not how the man treats them, turning a blind eye to infidelity and choosing to socialise more with other women than their spouses, they are the ones who have chosen this type of man to be the ideal version.

 

It becomes a "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it" situation.

 

(Obviously the metoo movement is aimed at solely sexual harassment, but in the West it quickly morphed into bad dates and unwanted romantic propositions as being viewed as sexual harassment.  It's sort of "the thin end of the wedge" in terms of feminising men and making then feel scared of approaching women in any way, lest they lose their job, their social position, or end up in court.)

Good points. Back there, most of the men I know in relationships were highly emasculated prior to me too. Now? It is even worse. I feel for them. They squirm and try to explain why they don't pay cash for anything or why they can't get out to hang out with the boys. But, it is transparent. I am really grateful to be here, when it comes to women and relationships. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Peter pop said:

You write well but use a broad brush.  Your generalisation about the worrying decline in men's masculinity, manifests itself mostly amongst the chattering educated classes in all countries.  These same people are overrepresented in the 'entitled' generations.  My experience as someone who has been lucky enough to have worked in many countries, chosen to live in Thailand with my Thai wife , but have five children in England and Australia, is that they, their friends and the children of my ex work colleagues behave [for the most part] just the same way as I did in their elationships.  The girls are a little more confident and noisy but have no need to embrace 'me too' movements.  The men have loads of respect for ladies, with a helpful dose of 'Laddish' behaviour.  You worry too much.  Too much influenced by what you choose to read perhaps.

A more serious issue is the decline in male virility; their increasing inability to get the girls pregnant.  This compounded by the girls choosing to delay having children.  When I read about this, I do worry about the future.

It is not just based on my observations of many friends and relatives. It is also based on what they say, and how they behave. It can be a very sad thing to witness. 

[BangkokReady]

23 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Feel free to continue your mansplaining.

Oh dear... ????

[OneMoreFarang]

But we have MeToo in Thailand. Sometime when I go out with friends and we spot a pretty girl on stage one of my friends tells us: I want her.

And we all agree: MeToo, MeToo.

[OneMoreFarang]

Do we need a MeToo movement?

Almost all men agree that guys who rape women should go to jail or be executed.

If women come forward after such a traumatic event most men are on her side. Report the guy and hopefully he will be prosecuted and then go to jail.

 

But there there are those other cases. Suddenly some women remember that a guy raped them a decade or two ago. Most men don't have much patients with these kind of accusations. Mostly because it is about she said and he said. And for whatever reason some people think women always tell the truth and men always lie. Many (most?) guys get upset with this unfair treatment.

 

And then there is sexual harassment and/or what some people call assault. I.e. maybe a guy makes a (not very sophisticated) move to ask a woman out. That was harassment. He should/will lose his job.

Or a guy slaps a girl on her butt. Should he do that? Normally not. But how about if she returns the favor and slaps him in the face. Action, reaction, message sent and likely received. There was a time when that was what happened. Most men learned and didn't do it again.

 

IMHO lots of guys don't like MeToo. They don't like it because everything gets dragged into "rape" and assault and harassment. Women would receive a lot more support from men if they would concentrate on real rape. A woman was raped, the rapist should be punished. Clear rule, clear support. But that is obviously not what many of those feminists want.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

53 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Feel free to continue your mansplaining.

I love this video about mansplaining. Enjoy!

 

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Women would receive a lot more support from men if they would concentrate on real rape.

Real rape? So, as well as victim blaming and lecturing survivors of sexual assaults on what they should or should not do, you are suddenly an authority on what constitutes rape or sexual assault?

 

I don’t think so…

 

Oh and you may be trying to set yourself up as a spokesperson on what men think about the #metoo movement…but you really aren’t as your post above the one I quote from here shows. 

[zzaa09]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

Well reasoned, Mike. 

It's rather unfortunate that we're forced and conditioned to analyze such things [comparatively] from a lesser than Eurocentric spin and perspective - as it is the case these days to prop up most everything using a Western "standard" that almost always contradicts traditional values and thought elsewhere. 

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Real rape? So, as well as victim blaming and lecturing survivors of sexual assaults on what they should or should not do, you are suddenly an authority on what constitutes rape or sexual assault?

 

I don’t think so…

 

Oh and you may be trying to set yourself up as a spokesperson on what men think about the #metoo movement…but you really aren’t as your post above the one I quote from here shows. 

I talk with men, I watch discussions of other men (and women). I don't pretend to be the speaker of all men or even a group of men. Maybe you should listen more to what men talk about and maybe you could learn from that. You don't have to agree, just listen what they think.

 

There was a time when rape was something that included violence. A guy (tried to) rape a woman, she would scream, she would scratch his face, maybe she would kick him. That is without doubt rape.

And then there are cases where the woman doesn't say anything. A guy f$#%s her, all seems to be fine, and later it comes to her mind that he raped her.

And then there are cases like with Julian Assange where a woman had 3 times sex with him. According to her the first and third time was consensual sex. But when they had sex the second time she thinks he raped her. Really?

And why would any women have consensual sex with a guy after he supposedly raped her. It doesn't make any sense - at least not for men.

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

23 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

survivors

Someone should look up the meaning of that word.

 

[BritManToo]

30 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh and you may be trying to set yourself up as a spokesperson on what men think about the #metoo movement…but you really aren’t as your post above the one I quote from here shows. 

I'm OK with OMF speaking for me ............ you, not so much, even if you're actually a man.

 

I can define real and fake rape if you want.

Real rape ....... abducted off the street by strangers, staggering to the police station covered in blood as soon as they can stand.

Fake rape ...... going back to a guy's room after a date, then reporting it 10 years later, coincidentally at the same time as 13 other women.

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I talk with men, I watch discussions of other men (and women). I don't pretend to be the speaker of all men or even a group of men. Maybe you should listen more to what men talk about and maybe you could learn from that. You don't have to agree, just listen what they think.

 

There was a time when rape was something that included violence. A guy (tried to) rape a woman, she would scream, she would scratch his face, maybe she would kick him. That is without doubt rape.

And then there are cases where the woman doesn't say anything. A guy f$#%s her, all seems to be fine, and later it comes to her mind that he raped her.

And then there are cases like with Julian Assange where a woman had 3 times sex with him. According to her the first and third time was consensual sex. But when they had sex the second time she thinks he raped her. Really?

And why would any women have consensual sex with a guy after he supposedly raped her. It doesn't make any sense - at least not for men.

 

 

 

All the above just confirms you are not an expert on what constitutes rape. 

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm OK with OMF speaking for me ............ you, not so much, even if you're actually a man.

I’m certainly not one like you…and that is something to be proud of. 

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Someone should look up the meaning of that word.

 

Yes and that person is you. 

[Skallywag]

2 hours ago, Peter pop said:

A more serious issue is the decline in male virility; their increasing inability to get the girls pregnant.  This compounded by the girls choosing to delay having children.  When I read about this, I do worry about the future.

Virility is certainly not in decline in most countries.  Human population doubled in the last 50 years. 

Human population reached sustainability on earth in the 70's at around 3 billion.

Religious reasons for declining birth control has resulted in 10's of millions of children living poverty, with malnutrition, and all sorts of suffering which was fairly uncommon in the 50's and 60's.

China had the right idea, one child only. 

The future does not depend on Billions more human beings, less is more

[AndyFoxy]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't see me too happening here to any meaningful degree. It is a good thing for women to be able to call out men who are taking advantage of them. That is all good. But, Thai women value their femininity too much, to risk losing that power, like most Western women have. 

 

They will not allow the corrosive side of me too to destroy them. I think a large part of the equation is the erosion of femininity in the west. It has gotten so bad, that masculinity is now considered toxic, by deluded women who do not know themselves nor know any better. This is an existential threat to civilization, no doubt. It is me-too, and uber-feminism that has been the real nuclear bomb to relationships and a woman's ability to express herself, have sex freely, date normally, manifest the incredible dignity within femininity, and relate to men, in a healthy manner. It seems to contribute to an extremely unfulfilled female gender, and has resulted in making life very difficult for most men in the West. With Covid, things are even worse than before. A real life Zombieland. Thankfully, little of that toxic nonsense has reached the shores of Thailand. Women here seem to intuitively know how powerful their innate femininity is, and they use it to the fullest. I am very thankful for that. I think many have simply rejected alot of mind numbingly wrong headed Western notions, that women are saddled with. 

 

The positive side of it, is about a man who is comfortable being a man, making an effort to preserve his masculinity in the face of a war on what the fools are referring to as "toxic masculinity", by extremist "me too" women, SIMPS, and feminists. It is about a man who still maintains some testosterone, and is fortunate to be with a Thai woman who is totally comfortable manifesting the immense amount of dignity within femininity. This has nothing to do with Epstein, the murdered sex offender. Zero. Do not even attempt any sort of equation of masculinity with what he did. A truly masculine man has deep respect for women, and great regard for the quality of femininity. 
 
It is about men comfortable being men, and women comfortable being women. A very alien concept in the West, and in other very weak, emasculated nations like OZ, Canada, the US, Scandinavia, the UK, and NZ. 

Good points. Personally I prefer my woman to be feminine (feminist is ok too)……but not masculine. If I want that, I find myself a well hung ladyboy.

[Tony125]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Just how serious is this? It sounds like you are up to speed on this development and can share your "thoughts".

 

The Swanson Frozen Dinner heir told me that male virility can be enhanced with Testicle Tanning? Did that work for you?

 

More than happy to let you experiment with lasers on the testicles.

 

 

 

 

I guess you are not aware of the many studies showing  much lower level of Testosterone in men now than those that were in WW2. Blamed on plastics and other chemicals as well as obesity.

 

You're Not The Man Your Father Was

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/?sh=83614a88b7fd

 

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

57 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

All the above just confirms you are not an expert on what constitutes rape. 

What is considered rape is a legal definition, and it varies all over the world.

Experts can argue about that and I am sure not all experts (what's a rape expert?) agree what is rape.

For some sexual activities men would go to jail in some countries and they wouldn't be punished at all in other countries.

 

We can all have our own idea of what we call rape. Like we can all have our ideas what we call harassment. 

And those ideas don't have to match legal definitions.

But obviously we must recognize that what matters legally are the legal definitions and not our opinions. 

 

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Whilst the top echelons of Thai male society think it is their god given right to abuse, denigrate and be totally misogynistic nothing will change unfortunately