Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[TronxII]

On 11/4/2024 at 4:46 AM, Bandersnatch said:

Recent post from Autolifethailand to follow on from @mistral53 post above.

 

Which would be your choice?

 

 

 

 

 

OMG, these things look like even uglier copies of SSangyong Rhodius. Any european would buy this? 

[motdaeng]

this short video highlights some good points: Why didn't the West see Chinese EVs coming?

 

https://youtu.be/xSkOi0pUG6s?si=gKfJiQPsgJDgkwdc

[mistral53]

8 hours ago, motdaeng said:

this short video highlights some good points: Why didn't the West see Chinese EVs coming?

 

https://youtu.be/xSkOi0pUG6s?si=gKfJiQPsgJDgkwdc

 

I got this same video in my YT feed...... really makes me wonder how these algos figure out what to feed to whom?

 

But more importantly - begs the question why Western governments and companies are so obsessively putting up blinders, when in fact they have intellectuals in their midst that are properly tuned into the pulse of world affairs.

 

The more I watch the Chinese automotive industry progress, the more I realize how little prepared Western counterparts are for the tsunami that is picking up speed in the East.

[digbeth]

10 hours ago, motdaeng said:

this short video highlights some good points: Why didn't the West see Chinese EVs coming?

 

https://youtu.be/xSkOi0pUG6s?si=gKfJiQPsgJDgkwdc

 

The Thai China FTA that has allowed 0% tariff on EV was enacted in 2018, talks and drafting were probably much earlier, 

Western EVs in 2016-17 was quite established at that point -Tesla model S, Chevy Bolt, VW Golf and Hyundai Ionic  - in hindsight the VW e-Golf and many ICE-platformed cars that has 'EV trim' from Europe didn't fare well long term or developed into solid choice

Only Hyundai seem to offer it for sale officially in Thailand then, and that was years after

 

even when the first Chinese EV that came to Thailand the MG ZS EV came and didn't ripple the market too much

 

Even the traditional Western brands that manufactures their EVs from China for sale in Thailand didn't quite know what to do with pricing their Chinese EVs look at the price of various models of BMW iX3 that they try not to cannibalise the ICE-engine sales and even the Volvo XC40 were hampered by existing ICE car that has full import tax and 'prestige' pricing still 

[Clapped out]

Euro based car mfgs with plants in China are against tariffs being raised.  ( actually their MIC products are by-in-large very significant profit contributors ) 

 

Euro country govts on the other hand .......

[motdaeng]

electric train registered in Thailand, October 2024:

electric vehicle registration (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) October 2024 Total 4,954

(Accounting for 14.2% of the total registered cars in Thailand, R.1, a total of 34,865 vehicles)

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-oct-2024-thailand/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

37 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

electric vehicle registration (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) October 2024 Total 4,954

(Accounting for 14.2% of the total registered cars in Thailand, R.1, a total of 34,865 vehicles)

 

Thanks @motdaeng I haven't seen registration figures from autolifethailand for a few months, so great to get an update. 

 

14.2% of vehicle registrations being fully electric dismisses the claim that we often hear that EV sales are collapsing 

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Thanks @motdaeng I haven't seen registration figures from autolifethailand for a few months, so great to get an update. 

 

14.2% of vehicle registrations being fully electric dismisses the claim that we often hear that EV sales are collapsing 

The problem is that these figures are incorrect according to DLT website for RY.1 the total number of vehicles registrations for October is correct at 34,865  but the number of electric registrations is 4,780 which represents

13.711% market share 

 

[motdaeng]

37 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The problem is that these figures are incorrect according to DLT website for RY.1 the total number of vehicles registrations for October is correct at 34,865  but the number of electric registrations is 4,780 which represents

13.711% market share 

good morning vinny41 

 

i think most of us wouldn't see this small inconsistencies in the percentage as a problem ...

it might be worth trying (at least for once) to just leave a number as it is and let it be ... thank you.

 

wish you and eveyone a nice weekend 

[vinny41]

Just now, motdaeng said:

good morning vinny41 

 

i think most of us wouldn't see this small inconsistencies in the percentage as a problem ...

it might be worth trying (at least for once) to just leave a number as it is and let it be ... thank you.

 

wish you and eveyone a nice weekend 

for a number of months now members have been unable to work out how autolife reached their numbers

Here is a screensot that shows for electric vehicles it is impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include all 17 DLT vehicle types and then exclude RY 12 motorcycles

[JBChiangRai]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

for a number of months now members have been unable to work out how autolife reached their numbers

Here is a screensot that shows for electric vehicles it is impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include all 17 DLT vehicle types and then exclude RY 12 motorcycles

 

Autolife are journalists, they have something in common with politicians (they don't let facts get in their way).  IMHO the only official source is DLT registrations.

[AndreasHG]

On 4/22/2022 at 11:14 AM, steve187 said:

hybrid nissan kicks, honda hrv etc. no problem with charging but, how good is the technology and is the increase mpg worth the possible future problems, 

 

Hybrid technology is very reliable and has been around for quite some time (Toyota's first hybrid vehicle development dates back to 1968). 

 

Hybrids combine an ICE motor with batteries and an electric motor. Their main advantage is their capability to recover energy when the vehicle decelerates. In ICE vehicles deceleration is achieved by using conventional brakes, which convert kinetic energy into heat, which is subsequently dispersed into the air.

Hybrids, albeit still equipped with conventional brakes, decelerate by converting the kinetic energy in electricity, which is stored in the batteries and used to propel the vehicle.

 

If you mainly drive on traffic free streets or motorways, with infrequent decelerations, then an HEV (hybrid vehicle) will not save you a significant amount of money. But if you often drive in congested streets (e.g. Bangkok) with continuous stop-and-go traffic, the energy recovery will do its magic and significantly reduce your fuel bill.

 

Hybrids are by far the most sold type of vehicle in China, albeit most of them are plug-in (PHEVs). They have larger battery packs compared to HEV (hybrid vehicles), which allow them to be used as EVs (electric vehicles) to travel significant distances. After which they perform like HEV.

Hybrid vehicles are so popular that there is a third category of vehicles falling in this family: the EREVs (extended-range electric vehicles). These are basically EVs, they can be plugged in and recharged as any EV. But they are also equipped with an ICE engine which is solely used as generator of electric power, with no physical connection to the drivetrain whatsoever.

 

The reasons why PHEVs and EREVs are popular in China are fundamentally two: most Chinese families only possess one car, and they want the convenience and flexibility a car running on petrol offers. Plus, most Chinese people take holidays twice a year, on Chinese New Year (Spring Festival) and on Qingming Festival (Tomb-Sweeping Day). During these holidays roads are terribly congested, traffic is intense and electric recharging stations so busy that long queues build up, and travellers have to wait for hours before being able to recharge.

 

[steve187]

42 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Hybrid technology is very reliable and has been around for quite some time (Toyota's first hybrid vehicle development dates back to 1968). 

 

Hybrids combine an ICE motor with batteries and an electric motor. Their main advantage is their capability to recover energy when the vehicle decelerates. In ICE vehicles deceleration is achieved by using conventional brakes, which convert kinetic energy into heat, which is subsequently dispersed into the air.

Hybrids, albeit still equipped with conventional brakes, decelerate by converting the kinetic energy in electricity, which is stored in the batteries and used to propel the vehicle.

 

If you mainly drive on traffic free streets or motorways, with infrequent decelerations, then an HEV (hybrid vehicle) will not save you a significant amount of money. But if you often drive in congested streets (e.g. Bangkok) with continuous stop-and-go traffic, the energy recovery will do its magic and significantly reduce your fuel bill.

 

Hybrids are by far the most sold type of vehicle in China, albeit most of them are plug-in (PHEVs). They have larger battery packs compared to HEV (hybrid vehicles), which allow them to be used as EVs (electric vehicles) to travel significant distances. After which they perform like HEV.

Hybrid vehicles are so popular that there is a third category of vehicles falling in this family: the EREVs (extended-range electric vehicles). These are basically EVs, they can be plugged in and recharged as any EV. But they are also equipped with an ICE engine which is solely used as generator of electric power, with no physical connection to the drivetrain whatsoever.

 

The reasons why PHEVs and EREVs are popular in China are fundamentally two: most Chinese families only possess one car, and they want the convenience and flexibility a car running on petrol offers. Plus, most Chinese people take holidays twice a year, on Chinese New Year (Spring Festival) and on Qingming Festival (Tomb-Sweeping Day). During these holidays roads are terribly congested, traffic is intense and electric recharging stations so busy that long queues build up, and travellers have to wait for hours before being able to recharge.

 

you replied to a post from 30 months ago

[Pib]

From review of one of the DLT stat spreadsheets where a person can sort/display by month, brand, fuel type, etc., it indicates that Autolife probably also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles from some other vehicles categories other than R.Y.1 which contains the great bulk of BEV registrations. 

 

It appears Autolife also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles R.Y.3 Personal Truck, R.Y.6 Passenger Vehicle for Hire Not Carrying More Than 7 People, R.Y.10 Sight Seeing Vehicles, etc.,   However, Autolife does "not" mention their monthly article/chart can also include these other categories if the BEV vehicle is being used to transport no more than 7 passengers and basically a company is using the BEV just like a private person would use their BEV to transport their family/friends as passengers. 

 

For example below (but not limited to) some BEVs "not" listed as R.Y.1 by DLT but as another vehicle category.  I bet Autolife counted them as R.Y.1.  Autolife probably don't want to confuse readers by stating what categories of BEV/100% electric vehicles were actually listed in by DLT which can be around 20 different categories a vehicle can be coded as.  Instead their article/chart just mentions R.Y.1 where the great, great, great majority of current BEV/100% electric vehicles end-up being coded in. 

 

- 16 BYD BEVs listed by DLT  in category R.Y.3

- 1 Aion BEV listed by DLT in category R.Y.6

- 3 Changan Deepal BEV  listed by DLT in R.Y.3

- 100 MG BEV listed by DLT in  category R.Y.6 (registered in Bangkok and Phuket provinces most likely by rental/tourist companies) and  3 more MG BEV in category R.Y.10

 

In closing, assuming Autolife is also counting some non-R.Y.1 BEVs which carry 7 or less passengers for business purposes (like sight seeing, rental)  and if we really want to know how many BEV/100 electric cars/trucks using 4 wheels and carrying 7 passengers or less, then the Autolife stats/chart is really more accurate in my opinion in how well BEVs are selling.  Autolife's BEV R.Y.1 numbers will always be a little higher than DLT BEV R.Y.1 numbers since Autolife is really counting some BEVs from some other categories also.

 

 

10 hours ago, vinny41 said:

for a number of months now members have been unable to work out how autolife reached their numbers

Here is a screensot that shows for electric vehicles it is impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include all 17 DLT vehicle types and then exclude RY 12 motorcycles

 

10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Autolife are journalists, they have something in common with politicians (they don't let facts get in their way).  IMHO the only official source is DLT registrations.

 

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, Pib said:

From review of one of the DLT stat spreadsheets where a person can sort/display by month, brand, fuel type, etc., it indicates that Autolife probably also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles from some other vehicles categories other than R.Y.1 which contains the great bulk of BEV registrations. 

 

It appears Autolife also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles R.Y.3 Personal Truck, R.Y.6 Passenger Vehicle for Hire Not Carrying More Than 7 People, R.Y.10 Sight Seeing Vehicles, etc.,   However, Autolife does "not" mention their monthly article/chart can also include these other categories if the BEV vehicle is being used to transport no more than 7 passengers and basically a company is using the BEV just like a private person would use their BEV to transport their family/friends as passengers. 

 

For example below (but not limited to) some BEVs "not" listed as R.Y.1 by DLT but as another vehicle category.  I bet Autolife counted them as R.Y.1.  Autolife probably don't want to confuse readers by stating what categories of BEV/100% electric vehicles were actually listed in by DLT which can be around 20 different categories a vehicle can be coded as.  Instead their article/chart just mentions R.Y.1 where the great, great, great majority of current BEV/100% electric vehicles end-up being coded in. 

 

- 16 BYD BEVs listed by DLT  in category R.Y.3

- 1 Aion BEV listed by DLT in category R.Y.6

- 3 Changan Deepal BEV  listed by DLT in R.Y.3

- 100 MG BEV listed by DLT in  category R.Y.6 (registered in Bangkok and Phuket provinces most likely by rental/tourist companies) and  3 more MG BEV in category R.Y.10

 

In closing, assuming Autolife is also counting some non-R.Y.1 BEVs which carry 7 or less passengers for business purposes (like sight seeing, rental)  and if we really want to know how many BEV/100 electric cars/trucks using 4 wheels and carrying 7 passengers or less, then the Autolife stats/chart is really more accurate in my opinion in how well BEVs are selling.  Autolife's BEV R.Y.1 numbers will always be a little higher than DLT BEV R.Y.1 numbers since Autolife is really counting some BEVs from some other categories also.

 

 

 

 

So the bottom line is Autolife Market share figures are meaningless

DLT stats state numbers of electric cars 4,780 where Autolife stated 4,954 a difference of  174

I don't have a problem if they want to add in electric cars from other vehicles groups but once they should also include the total sales for each of those vehicle groups you can't base market share based on total number of cars sold in RY1 of  34,865 if you are including electric vehicles from other vehicle categories 

 

[AndreasHG]

1 hour ago, steve187 said:

you replied to a post from 30 months ago

Technology progresses in at an impressive speed. EREVs were almost unknown 30 months ago 😀 

[Pib]

32 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

So the bottom line is Autolife Market share figures are meaningless

DLT stats state numbers of electric cars 4,780 where Autolife stated 4,954 a difference of  174

I don't have a problem if they want to add in electric cars from other vehicles groups but once they should also include the total sales for each of those vehicle groups you can't base market share based on total number of cars sold in RY1 of  34,865 if you are including electric vehicles from other vehicle categories 

 

 

Include too many details in the article/chart would just turn-off a lot of folks...their eyes would just glaze over....they would stop reading such AutoLife articles which Autolife definitely don't want.   

 

And I'm a one thousand percent sure the great, great, great, great, great majority of folks don't look at DLT stats since they are more for the spreadsheet-comfortable type people.

 

Yes, by throwing-in some BEV registrations dealing from some categories which also deal with vehicles that carry 7 or less passengers just like the R.Y.1 category, it does create an inaccuracy which is small at this time....make it appear R.Y.1 BEV sales are a little higher. 

 

If a person is more interested in how 4-wheel BEV registrations/sales that carry 7 or less passengers "regardless of whether its coded as DLT category RY1, RY3, RY6, RY10, etc., then the AutoLife article/chart gives a good vision of such.

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Pib said:

 

Include too many details in the article/chart would just turn-off a lot of folks...their eyes would just glaze over....they would stop reading such AutoLife articles which Autolife definitely don't want.   

 

And I'm a one thousand percent sure the great, great, great, great, great majority of folks don't look at DLT stats since they are more for the spreadsheet-comfortable type people.

 

Yes, by throwing-in some BEV registrations dealing from some categories which also deal with vehicles that carry 7 or less passengers just like the R.Y.1 category, it does create an inaccuracy which is small at this time....make it appear R.Y.1 BEV sales are a little higher. 

 

If a person is more interested in how 4-wheel BEV registrations/sales that carry 7 or less passengers "regardless of whether its coded as DLT category RY1, RY3, RY6, RY10, etc., then the AutoLife article/chart gives a good vision of such.

Its not small as you state as the RY1 figures for October were 34,865 the combined figures for all vehicles  categories excluding motorcycles groups RY12 and RY17  gives total registrations of 49,389 which is a huge 14,524

If we took the total number of registered in October of 210,009 and then remove RY12 and RY17 Motorcycles this would leave a figure of 49,389 would give electric vehicles excluding motorbikes a market share of 10.03% this calculation method shouldn't be used as it includes DLT vehicle categories  where there are no electric vehicles listed  

 

[Pib]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Its not small as you state as the RY1 figures for October were 34,865 the combined figures for all vehicles  categories excluding motorcycles groups RY12 and RY17  gives total registrations of 49,389 which is a huge 14,524

If we took the total number of registered in October of 210,009 and then remove RY12 and RY17 Motorcycles this would leave a figure of 49,389 would give electric vehicles excluding motorbikes a market share of 10.03% this calculation method shouldn't be used as it includes DLT vehicle categories  where there are no electric vehicles listed  

 

No....you are considering too many of the categories.   Like where you said for October the DLT stats showed 4,780 BEVs sold in RY1; but the Autoife article/chart showed 4.954 for a difference of 174. 

 

That 174 is just a small percentage (like 0.5%)  of the total DLT RY1 numbers  of 34,865 which represents EV/ICEV/Hybrid/etc., registrations.   The way Autolife is treating the numbers that 174 (which is actually other categories) get counted a second time but this time as RY1 BEVs.

[motdaeng]

i think there's a need (without name-calling) for a new topic: how to calculate the correct number of bev's ... 

 

 

[vinny41]

22 minutes ago, Pib said:

No....you are considering too many of the categories.   Like where you said for October the DLT stats showed 4,780 BEVs sold in RY1; but the Autoife article/chart showed 4.954 for a difference of 174. 

 

That 174 is just a small percentage (like 0.5%)  of the total DLT RY1 numbers  of 34,865 which represents EV/ICEV/Hybrid/etc., registrations.   The way Autolife is treating the numbers that 174 (which is actually other categories) get counted a second time but this time as RY1 BEVs.

So if we limit the vehicle categories to 

RY1,RY2.RY3,RY4,RY6,RY8,RY9,RY10,RY13 Total number of vehicles registered in October was 49,223 which included  4,934 electric vehicles giving a market share of 10.025%

Bottom line to get accurate picture of market share if vehicles are included outside of RY1 then all the vehicles in those vehicles  categories should be included

[Pib]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

So if we limit the vehicle categories to 

RY1,RY2.RY3,RY4,RY6,RY8,RY9,RY10,RY13 Total number of vehicles registered in October was 49,223 which included  4,934 electric vehicles giving a market share of 10.025%

Bottom line to get accurate picture of market share if vehicles are included outside of RY1 then all the vehicles in those vehicles  categories should be included

Yea...if you want to be super, super accurate to ensure any double counting is compensated for to several decimal points and the BEV percentage is reported by multiple categories.     But if willing to allow a small inaccuracy by allowing some 4 wheel BEVs carrying 7 passengers or less to be counted as RY1 as the Autolife chart does probably for ease of reading and avoid having an overly complicated chart which shows how many 7 passenger or less BEV vehicles are being registered then in my opinion the Autolife chart is fine.  Totally accurate--No; but acceptable accuracy in order to provide an easy to read/understandable chart for the layman.

 

Now assuming BEV numbers continue to increase at some point that double counting talked above will create too big of an inaccuracy even for the layman, but I expect Autolife will switch to reporting such stats in a different way....and probably stop reporting any type of detailed BEV stats like how they report on the various models.  Time will tell.

[vinny41]

25 minutes ago, Pib said:

Yea...if you want to be super, super accurate to ensure any double counting is compensated for to several decimal points and the BEV percentage is reported by multiple categories.     But if willing to allow a small inaccuracy by allowing some 4 wheel BEVs carrying 7 passengers or less to be counted as RY1 as the Autolife chart does probably for ease of reading and avoid having an overly complicated chart which shows how many 7 passenger or less BEV vehicles are being registered then in my opinion the Autolife chart is fine.  Totally accurate--No; but acceptable accuracy in order to provide an easy to read/understandable chart for the layman.

 

Now assuming BEV numbers continue to increase at some point that double counting talked above will create too big of an inaccuracy even for the layman, but I expect Autolife will switch to reporting such stats in a different way....and probably stop reporting any type of detailed BEV stats like how they report on the various models.  Time will tell.

If you referring to pickup trucks they are already in RY1 as shown here

 Type 1: Private passenger cars with no more than 7 seats (R.Y.1) are cars that must be no wider than 2.50 meters and no longer than 12 meters, such as single-cab sedans, double-cab sedans, double-cab vans with two seats and a cargo area at the back, etc.

Type 2: Private passenger cars with more than 7 seats (R.Y.2) are cars that must be no wider than 2.50 meters, no longer than 12 meters, and the length of the body measured from the center of the rear axle to the rear of the car must not exceed 2/3 of the length measured from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle, such as a three-section sedan with two rows of seats, a two-section two-row van with three rows of seats, etc.

Type 3: Personal trucks (R.Y.3) are vehicles that are not used for personal transport in accordance with the law on land transport. They must be no wider than 2.50 meters, no longer than 12 meters, and the length of the body measured from the center of the rear axle to the rear of the vehicle must not be more than 3/5 of the length measured from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle, such as a pickup bed, a cargo van, a pickup bed with a roof, etc.

So Type 3 is not to be used for personal transport 

https://cityleasing.co.th/content21052021/#:~:text

 

Its impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include every single DLT  vehicle   categories including buses just excluding motorcycles RY12

[Pib]

21 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Its impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include every single DLT  vehicle   categories including buses just excluding motorcycles RY12

 

To get that extra 174 to reach 4,954 is not a big number at all.  Heck in my post a few hours ago (partial quote below I found 123 of the 174 by briefly sorting thru the DLT spreadsheet I mentioned earlier.   I just quickly looked at some of the most well known BEV brands like Aion, Deepal, BYD, and MG.   I stopped looking at that point....I'm sure if I had kept looking at some more brands I would have found all 174.....those 174 that DLT had listed other than RY1 but Autolife tossed them into RY1 chart.

 

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16 BYD BEVs listed by DLT  in category R.Y.3

- 1 Aion BEV listed by DLT in category R.Y.6

- 3 Changan Deepal BEV  listed by DLT in R.Y.3

- 100 MG BEV listed by DLT in  category R.Y.6 (registered in Bangkok and Phuket provinces most likely by rental/tourist companies) and  3 more MG BEV in category R.Y.10

 

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[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

To get that extra 174 to reach 4,954 is not a big number at all.  Heck in my post a few hours ago (partial quote below I found 123 of the 174 by briefly sorting thru the DLT spreadsheet I mentioned earlier.   I just quickly looked at some of the most well known BEV brands like Aion, Deepal, BYD, and MG.   I stopped looking at that point....I'm sure if I had kept looking at some more brands I would have found all 174.....those 174 that DLT had listed other than RY1 but Autolife tossed them into RY1 chart.

 

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Here is a snapshot of every vehicle  category that has an electric vehicle and the total is 4,950

 R.Y.3 total number 40

R.Y.6 total number 101

R.Y.22  22- wheel trailer truck total number 9

R,Y,19 Bus

[JBChiangRai]

I don’t care whether use Autolife or DLT, but we should stick to only one and not bicker over the numbers.

 

I can’t speak for other members, but  what interests me is trends.

 

How EV uptake compares to previous months and years, not in number of vehicles sold (which I find meaningless because the auto industry is on it’s knees) but as a percentage of total sales in the same category.

[Pib]

58 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I can’t speak for other members, but  what interests me is trends.

 

Here's a trend.  On my Bangkok moobaan soi there are 10 houses/families.  4 of the 10 now have BEVs.  But around a year and half ago 0 of 10 houses had BEVs.

 

Around 16 months ago one house got a  Tesla Model Y....then around 14 months ago another house got a BYD Atto .....then about 13 months another house (mine) got a BYD Atto ....and over the last few weeks another house now has a white Neta X.    All 4 houses have EV wall chargers installed.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t care whether use Autolife or DLT, but we should stick to only one and not bicker over the numbers.

 

I can’t speak for other members, but  what interests me is trends.

 

How EV uptake compares to previous months and years, not in number of vehicles sold (which I find meaningless because the auto industry is on it’s knees) but as a percentage of total sales in the same category.

I just rely on my eyes, and see a bunch of BEVs & hybrids now, along with all version of 2 & 3 wheelers. 

 

Especially in the big chain store parking lots, as they're locals, and not just tourist visiting surfside or on hwy #4 passing through.

 

Two years ago I used to point them out to the wife, now, it would be silly to.

 

Only a blind person doesn't see the trend 

[Andrew Dwyer]

Exact same thing happened to me !!

 

 

 

Don’t think the dog has forgiven me .

[vinny41]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:49 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

Autolife are journalists, they have something in common with politicians (they don't let facts get in their way).  IMHO the only official source is DLT registrations.

 

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t care whether use Autolife or DLT, but we should stick to only one and not bicker over the numbers.

 

I can’t speak for other members, but  what interests me is trends.

 

How EV uptake compares to previous months and years, not in number of vehicles sold (which I find meaningless because the auto industry is on it’s knees) but as a percentage of total sales in the same category.

A forum member did contact Autolife a few months ago requesting information on what method  they were using to get their numbers but didn't receive an answer to the question