The times they are a changin!

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

Pretty sure you blatantly omitted a few letters of the alphabet ????

Trashing LGBT people is apparently a hobby for some.

[BangkokReady]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Post on the medical forum.

I don't need to.  I know the difference between a vagina and a non-vagina.  They are in no way biologically the same and there is about as much logic in a trans woman going to an OBGYN as there is someone going to one for a joint problem.

 

The only way I can imagine it being appropriate for a trans woman to go to an OBGYN, is if some authority forces them to double specialise in female reproductive systems and trans-vaginas simply to allow trans women to be able to say that visit them.  Perhaps that will happen some day, sadly, but until then...

 

This has nothing to do with being pro- or anti-trans, it's simple scientific fact.

[Jingthing]

Just now, BangkokReady said:

I don't need to.  I know the difference between a vagina and a non-vagina.  They are in no way biologically the same and there is about as much logic in a trans woman going to an OBGYN as there is someone going to one for a joint problem.

 

The only way I can imagine it being appropriate for a trans woman to go to an OBGYN, is if some authority forces them to double specialise in female reproductive systems and trans-vaginas simply to allow trans women to be able to say that visit them.  Perhaps that will happen some day, sadly, but until then...

 

This has nothing to do with being pro- or anti-trans, it's simple scientific fact.

I call BS.

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trashing LGBT people is apparently a hobby for some.

Reading back, actually it was you that started calling people hateful and ignorant. I have not seen anything of the sort in this topic. I personally don't care if some guy puts a skirt on a calls himself Florence. You appear to be trashing those of us that identify as being male or female, were born in that way, and believe this cannot be changed. I don't think you have any basis to make such accusations, moral or scientific. We all have our own set of morals, I can accept that.

 

 

 

 

[howlee101]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I call BS.

I'll see your BS and raise you a WTFO. 

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I call BS.

Haha.  It's your whacky idea that we're discussing.

 

Do you seriously not know the difference between a vagina and a neo-vagina?  They don't share any biological features in common.

 

No one is denying anyone medical treatment, it's simply not the case that trans women need to go to an OBGYN.  They simply want to because it would be gender affirming for them.  "I am a woman therefore I need to visit the OBGYN like other women do."

 

If some OBGYNs want to retrain and provide neo-vagina aftercare for trans women, they are surely entitled to do so, but trans women would still be going for neo-vagina aftercare, not for standard OBGYN procedures that biological females would need to have.

[howlee101]

3 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

I have not seen anything of the sort in this topic. I personally don't care if some guy puts a skirt on a calls himself Florence. You appear to be trashing those of us that identify as being male or female, were born in that way, and believe this cannot be changed.

100% agree... but that's the typical response when anyone offers a different opinion to theirs

[OneMoreFarang]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You want to deny them medical care because they are different. That is evil.

In their original condition they don't need medical care. They change something and then they need help because they changed something.

Or to align with a previous poster: If you break your arm and put it together again the wrong way around then you can be sure that after that you can't use it anymore the way it was designed. So then you need medical help to function again. Really? But I guess that is what some woke people desire. 

[proton]

54 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Willful ignorance.

 

Just to give you a clue many transgender women have vaginas!

 

They usually require hormonal therapy and surgery and OB GYN doctors are well positioned to provide care.

 

 

But cannot have periods so the sign in the mens bogs is ridiculous, unless it's meant for real, not fake women nipping in the mens to avoid the line for the ladies. 

[Jingthing]

Hormone therapy.

Pap smears.

Cancer screening 

[howlee101]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Hormone therapy.

Pap smears.

Cancer screening 

Don't forget prenatal care ????

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

But cannot have periods so the sign in the mens bogs is ridiculous, unless it's meant for real, not fake women nipping in the mens to avoid the line for the ladies. 

Maybe that's the future. Fake vaginas with fake hymen. And then some fake or real blood when it is used the first time. Or maybe, to make it more exiting, some blood every time it's used. Then they can pretend to be a virgin all the time. It must be exiting. 

[proton]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Bullying is fun!

Having a laugh at a sign in the wrong toilets is not bullying. Men and trans cannot have periods so the sign is laughable

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Cool.  But you seem to be coming out with some pretty weird stuff.

 

E.g. you're suggesting people without a cervix would need to be checked for cervical cancer...

For trans men.

All trans need hormone therapy.

[Mac Mickmanus]

It is necessary to have that sign in the mens toilet , otherwise woman would go into the ladies toilet and see they shouldn't put napkins in that toilet and then they would go to the mens toilet and put the napkin in there , because theres no sign telling them not to do it 

[Meat Pie 47]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It is necessary to have that sign in the mens toilet , otherwise woman would go into the ladies toilet and see they shouldn't put napkins in that toilet and then they would go to the mens toilet and put the napkin in there , because theres no sign telling them not to do it 

How often have you been to a ladies toilet?

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

How often have you been to a ladies toilet?

Three times 

[Meat Pie 47]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Three times 

With or without taking pics

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

With or without taking pics

No, I didnt take any photos ?

Why is this relevant to the thread ?

[Meat Pie 47]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, I didnt take any photos ?

Why is this relevant to the thread ?

Why is anything relevant in this thread? It was just about a stupid sign in a toilet.

[LaosLover]

I thought it was generally assumed that they can pop into the men's room if they absolutely have to, but we're risking arrest if we traipse over into their own multi-cubicle situation.

 

There seems to be an assumption that this sign was mandated by McDonald's, possibly as a part of some wider governmental regulations. What supports that assumption? Maybe they just had 2 signs.

 

The number of trans people seeking gyno appointments must be so small as to be a rounding error. The woke trans boogey man who's going to turn my son into a Boy Named Sue has to get behind the Mexican  gang member who wants to kill me, and the Black Lives Matter person who wants to burn my town down in the line of fake, made up by Fox News non-problems.

[LaosLover]

Relatedly, my wife gets hormone replacement therapy. Insurance does not cover it.

 

A quick google search beyond my own experience has lots of hedging about coverage saying "it depends", which is insurance speak for no, no way, no double-way.

 

So the problem of insurers covering it for a trans person is another what if this?/what if that? problem that Fox News invented that will either super-seldom or flat out-never actually occur in three dimensional reality.

 

Nor is hormone replacement therapy particularly expensive, about $150 a month with a $1,500 consult and lab workup upfront.

 

The outrage over something that 1) happens super rarely 2) doesn't cost a lot of money when it does -is down to simple gullibility with a dash of inexplicable distrust of gay people (which trans people aren't even).

[LaosLover]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

They usually require hormonal therapy and surgery and OB GYN doctors are well positioned to provide care.

 

 

My wife gets HRT from a gen practitioner. Most people do; it's usually a specialist clinic that does it. You'd be paying over the odds for an OB GYN and they may not be HRT specialists.

 

It's a pretty straight forward treatment. You get diagnosed, a small implant of relevant hormones is stuck in your keister, and you pop back in 3 months for another hit.

 

For a trans person, the process would be no different and certainly not be involving in-depth vaginal examinations -the channel that Porn Hub doesn't have because no wants to see it (tho Fox New viewers never tire of hearing about).

[proton]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Hate speech.

Are you serious? Trans are to be pitied, not hated

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, LaosLover said:

I thought it was generally assumed that they can pop into the men's room if they absolutely have to, but we're risking arrest if we traipse over into their own multi-cubicle situation.

 

There seems to be an assumption that this sign was mandated by McDonald's, possibly as a part of some wider governmental regulations. What supports that assumption? Maybe they just had 2 signs.

 

 

More likely that the mall manager told one of his staff to go and stick these stickers in the toilet and the worker didn't give it nay thought or consideration and also the workers go in and out of both mens and woman's toilets at will and dont differentiate between the two 

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

More likely that the mall manager told one of his staff to go and stick these stickers in the toilet and the worker didn't give it nay thought or consideration and also the workers go in and out of both mens and woman's toilets at will and done differentiate between the two 

Or the worker was male and he put it in the only toilet he knew.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Or the worker was male and he put it in the only toilet he knew.

Female workers go into the mens toilet and I assume that female workers also go into the womans toilet ?

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, LaosLover said:

There seems to be an assumption that this sign was mandated by McDonald's, possibly as a part of some wider governmental regulations. What supports that assumption? Maybe they just had 2 signs.

More likely the McD staff member couldn't read, write or think and was just instructed to 'put this up in the toilet'

[Gottfrid]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Willful ignorance.

 

Just to give you a clue many transgender women have vaginas!

 

They usually require hormonal therapy and surgery and OB GYN doctors are well positioned to provide care.

 

 

Get over yourself. Here we joke about everything. Don´t take it personally.

[howlee101]

9 hours ago, LaosLover said:

Relatedly, my wife gets hormone replacement therapy. Insurance does not cover it.

 

A quick google search beyond my own experience has lots of hedging about coverage saying "it depends", which is insurance speak for no, no way, no double-way.

 

So the problem of insurers covering it for a trans person is another what if this?/what if that? problem that Fox News invented that will either super-seldom or flat out-never actually occur in three dimensional reality.

 

Nor is hormone replacement therapy particularly expensive, about $150 a month with a $1,500 consult and lab workup upfront.

 

The outrage over something that 1) happens super rarely 2) doesn't cost a lot of money when it does -is down to simple gullibility with a dash of inexplicable distrust of gay people (which trans people aren't even).

You seem to be fascinated/obsessed with Fox News.  Just curious if you actually watch Fox News to form your biased opinion of their content....or do you regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC and/or CNN?