cleopatra2 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Would I ? I didn't know that . Thanks for telling me what I think, as I would never have known that apologises. It was not my intention to state what you think. But simply stating how i understand your previous responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: So when the are tiger cubs in the wild who have been abandoned by their mother and will die soon, just let the tiger cubs die in the wild and don't rescue them . Some people do have feeling's for baby animals and want to help it survive You appear to be living in a fantasy world. This is utter nonsense - cubs don't get "rescued" from the wild, they are STOLEN - the problem with Zoss is they perpetuate a "Walt Disney" fantasy of wildlife that is nothing to do with ecology, conservation and animal welfare - and you seem to have swallowed the false narrative hook line and sinker. It's a pity you haven't bothered to educate yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thunglom said: You appear to be living in a fantasy world. This is utter nonsense - cubs don't get "rescued" from the wild, they are STOLEN - I dont think that it true , Do you have any evidence to back that up ? I think that you are the one speaking nonsense . Cubs are only taken from the wild when their Father gets killed and their life is in danger and they are rescued and bought to safety 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I dont think that it true , Do you have any evidence to back that up ? I think that you are the one speaking nonsense . Cubs are only taken from the wild when their Father gets killed and their life is in danger and they are rescued and bought to safety Have another drink or what ever you having Edited May 8, 2022 by Meat Pie 47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Why is petting animals wrong ? Should people stop petting cats and dogs ? Should monkeys stop petting each other ? That just seems to have summed up perfectly the problem with your arguments - you have got so much wrong it is impossible to know where to start. May I suggest that you just do some very basic thinking bout wildlife conservation and the role of zoos? I find it hard to understand how someone on this thread could come up with questions that show a complete and utter lack of understanding of even the most elementary points of the discussion. You've used false premises, false dichotomies and now a false equivalence, yet you don't seem token begin to understand how ludicrous your statements are. Edited May 8, 2022 by Thunglom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I dont think that it true , Do you have any evidence to back that up ? I think that you are the one speaking nonsense . Cubs are only taken from the wild when their Father gets killed and their life is in danger and they are rescued and bought to safety The father has no aspect of the cub upbringing or survival 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Thunglom said: That just seems to have summed up perfectly the problem with your arguments - you have got so much wrong it is impossible to know where to start. May I suggest that you just do some very basic thinking bout wildlife conservation and the role of zoos? I find it hard to understand how someone on this thread could come up with questions that show a complete and utter lack of understanding of even the most elementary points of the discussion. you've used false premises, false dichotomies and now a false equivalence, yet you don't seem token begin to understand how ludicrous your statements are. What not just answer the questions ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: What not just answer the questions ? ..and like everyone who hasn't got an argument but THINKS they have a question, you start sealioning as a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said: The father has no aspect of the cub upbringing or survival When a Male tiger finds a female tiger in the wild , the new Male tiger will fight her current male tiger mate and they will fight to the death and if the new male tiger kills the other tiger , he will then also kill the cubs because it will encourage the female to breed with him . So the Cubs Father getting killed (by another tiger) will mean the cubs will also get killed .........................and....................thats........................why..................the Tiger Kingdom goes and rescues them . To stop them getting killed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: When a Male tiger finds a female tiger in the wild , the new Male tiger will fight her current male tiger mate and they will fight to the death and if the new male tiger kills the other tiger , he will then also kill the cubs because it will encourage the female to breed with him . So the Cubs Father getting killed (by another tiger) will mean the cubs will also get killed .........................and....................thats........................why..................the Tiger Kingdom goes and rescues them . To stop them getting killed So you think that the Tiger Kingdom is "rescuing" cubs from the wild? ... and whereabouts do you think this takes place? Edited May 8, 2022 by Thunglom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Thunglom said: So you think that the Tiger Kingdom is "rescuing" cubs from the wild? ... and whereabouts do you think this takes place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: When a Male tiger finds a female tiger in the wild , the new Male tiger will fight her current male tiger mate and they will fight to the death and if the new male tiger kills the other tiger , he will then also kill the cubs because it will encourage the female to breed with him . So the Cubs Father getting killed (by another tiger) will mean the cubs will also get killed .........................and....................thats........................why..................the Tiger Kingdom goes and rescues them . To stop them getting killed In this situation the female becomes back into season if the cubs are killed. Once the male has mated the male and female seperate . The female is left to provide for the cub. The tiger kingdom cannot in this scenario rescue the cubs because it will already have been killed by the male. The female and male do not form a bond that ties them together. Edited May 8, 2022 by cleopatra2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Thunglom said: So you think that the Tiger Kingdom is "rescuing" cubs from the wild? ... and whereabouts do you think this takes place? In the wild , where tigers live 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: In the wild , where tigers live So you think it's OK to take tigers from the wild? OK - let's talk about precisely where you think they come from - what do you mean by "the wild"? - and what sub-species and how this impacts the environment they are taken from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: In the wild , where tigers live Do you not think the mother will stop the supposed rescue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thunglom said: So you think it's OK to take tigers from the wild? OK - let's talk about precisely where you think they come from - what do you mean by "the wild"? - and what sub-species and how this impacts the environment they are taken from. If its a choice of the cubs either dying or the cubs being taken into care and surviving , I feel the latter is the better option . It would be better to bring the cubs into captivity , rather than dying in the wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: If its a choice of the cubs either dying or the cubs being taken into care and surviving , I feel the latter is the better option . It would be better to bring the cubs into captivity , rather than dying in the wild On what planet do you live? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 This has to be one of the most bizarre conversations ever on ThaiVisa! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Thunglom said: This has to be one of the most bizarre conversations ever on ThaiVisa! Not really : Just a few people who always moan and complain about everything and criticize Thailand at every available opportunity and everything's always wrong and Thais are always wrong , they are having difficulty seeing logic and reason . They just cannot comprehend that Thais are doing something right , it just doesnt compute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: If its a choice of the cubs either dying or the cubs being taken into care and surviving , I feel the latter is the better option . It would be better to bring the cubs into captivity , rather than dying in the wild You don't understand the concept of an ecosystem, do you? You have no idea of how many Tigers live in "the wild" in and around Thailand, You have no idea where "the wild" is, have you? You have no idea about what subspecies live in Thailand You have no idea of how an ecosystem works or its significance or the significance of tigers within that system. You have no idea where zoos get there animals You have no idea of the illegal international trade in tigers, You have no idea about in-breeding You have no idea about hybrids or releasing animals into the wild. You have no idea of the requirements for keeping big cats like tigers in captivity the differences between Tigers and other big cats You have no idea about CITES and international law and how it affects Thailand. You just post howler after howler. the sad things, it is people who re this ill-informed about wildlife acy=tually ae part of the problem - they are the ones who allow the extinction of species and destruction of eco-systems. PLEASE! get informed on the reality Edited May 8, 2022 by Thunglom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thunglom said: You don't understand the concept of an ecosystem, do you? You have no idea of how many Tigers live in"the wild" in and around Thailand, You have no idea where "the wild" is, have you? You have no idea about what subspecies live in Thailand You have no idea of how an ecosystem works or its significance or the significance of tigers within that system. You have no idea where zoos get there animals You have no idea of the illegal international trade in tigers, You have no idea about in-breeding You have no idea about hybrids or releasing animals into the wild. You have no idea of the requirements for keeping big cats like tigers in captivity the differences between Tigers and other big cats You have no idea about CITES and international law and how it affects Thailand. You just post howler after howler. the sad things, it is people who re this ill-informed about wildlife acy=tually ae part of the problem - they are the ones who allow the extinction of species and destruction of eco-systems. PLEASE! get informed on the reality OK, so how will letting cubs die in the wild be beneficial ? Instead of saving cubs from being killed by other tigers and brining them onto captivity . How would dead cubs benefit the eco system ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, so how will letting cubs die in the wild be beneficial ? Do you realise that you don't even understand the situation? - it is something you have made up that doesn't actually happen - however in a functioning eco-system animals die - they aren't immortal anywhere. Yes dead cubs are part of an eco-system - however what is deplorable is when they die as the result of human interference - either the mother is killed so the cubs can be captured or they die in traps. you really seem to be clueless and as you don't even see why eating ribs etches part of an ecosystem as I said it is impossible to have a reasoned, informed discussion with you. You seem totally unaware of your lack of knowledge on this topic. Edited May 8, 2022 by Thunglom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Not really : Just a few people who always moan and complain about everything and criticize Thailand at every available opportunity and everything's always wrong and Thais are always wrong , they are having difficulty seeing logic and reason . They just cannot comprehend that Thais are doing something right , it just doesnt compute It's not "Thais" who are wrong - it is you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Thunglom said: It's not "Thais" who are wrong - it is you. I have been biting my tongue most of this conversation don't won't to be send in holiday again but this guy has no idea about the real world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Are Thailand tigers drugged? “Tigers and other big cats used for photo ops are regularly drugged because zoos cannot tame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said: I have been biting my tongue most of this conversation don't won't to be send in holiday again but this guy has no idea about the real world Boredom makes people arguing in circles. Nothing new ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 https://www.vice.com/en/article/935vx5/image-of-woman-holding-drugged-tigers-testicles-at-thai-zoo-prompts-backlash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Thunglom said: Do you realise that you don't even understand the situation? - it is something you have made up that doesn't actually happen - however in a functioning eco-system animals die - they aren't immortal anywhere. Yes dead cubs are part of an eco-system - however what is deplorable is when they die as the result of human interference - either the mother is killed so the cubs can be captured or they die in traps. you really seem to be clueless and as you don't even see why eating ribs etches part of an ecosystem as I said it is impossible to have a reasoned, informed discussion with you. You seem totally unaware of your lack of knowledge on this topic. You really have no idea what you are talking about . There are no traps and poaching is illegal . No one has suggested in any way that its acceptable for humans to participate in making tigers go into captivity . Humans are rescuing cubs who would other wise die . Tiger kingdom celibately killing tigers to get the cubs only exists in your imagination , its nothing to do with reality . It doesn't happen, you are very much mistaken . Rescue centers are not poachers . You seem to have the impression that people who rescue baby tigers are poachers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said: Are Thailand tigers drugged? “Tigers and other big cats used for photo ops are regularly drugged because zoos cannot tame them. said Nirali Shah, a senior campaigner at PETA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: said Nirali Shah, a senior campaigner at PETA Just look what i posted befor and see the pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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