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Ukraine moves step closer to joining E.U.


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3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

As much as I would like to see Putin's war end I truly think this is not the way to go for Ukraine. We all know they are in a world of hurt and that Russia is not giving up no matter how many Russians die. By joining the EU Putin will have the war he always wanted.

What advantage would Ukraine joining the EU give to Russia?

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13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's likely going to take years for Ukraine to bring corruption down to an acceptable level. But comparing its situation to Turkey's is ridiculous. Have there been no countries admitted to the EU that have applied after 1987?

Only Russia is considered more corrupt than Ukraine in Europe.   Even Turkey is less corrupt.   I wasn't making the point that it would take years for Ukraine to be accepted - my point was they will never be accepted, just like Turkey.   It's an empty virtual signalling gesture by the EU to make them look right on and has exactly the same real world effect on the people of Ukraine as someone displaying the Ukrainian flag in their twitter profile.   

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I've listened to some academics and sociologists over the last months since this heinous onslaught started (ex the annexing of the eastern regions prior to this phase of Putin hegemony).

Some said that if Putin had not taken power all those years ago the EU (in some newer evolved form) would very likely have included Russia as a full member and that the entire world economic map, and social order would have been very different.

Interesting to ponder given the initial years of glasnost looking so bright with the vast majority of Russians at that time excited and joyful in expectation of participating openly in the European democratic experiment.

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9 minutes ago, James105 said:

The point I was making, and continue to make, is that the EU is just virtue signalling.    They will not accept a country with as poor GDP or as corrupt as Ukraine into the EU.    Feel free to bookmark this and come back in 20/30/40 years when Ukraine has still not been accepted into the EU if you like.   What Ukraine needs is actual help, not flags in bios or empty gestures like this, but something tangible (e.g tanks) that the EU countries do not seem to be willing to offer.   

That point you were making was based on your false claim as demonstrated in the link I provided

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15 minutes ago, James105 said:

The point I was making, and continue to make, is that the EU is just virtue signalling.    They will not accept a country with as poor GDP or as corrupt as Ukraine into the EU.    Feel free to bookmark this and come back in 20/30/40 years when Ukraine has still not been accepted into the EU if you like.   What Ukraine needs is actual help, not flags in bios or empty gestures like this, but something tangible (e.g tanks) that the EU countries do not seem to be willing to offer.   

They will accept Ukraine into the EU for the simple reason that Europe is so dependent on Ukraine's agricultural resources.

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3 hours ago, James105 said:

The point I was making, and continue to make, is that the EU is just virtue signalling.    They will not accept a country with as poor GDP or as corrupt as Ukraine into the EU.    Feel free to bookmark this and come back in 20/30/40 years when Ukraine has still not been accepted into the EU if you like.   What Ukraine needs is actual help, not flags in bios or empty gestures like this, but something tangible (e.g tanks) that the EU countries do not seem to be willing to offer.   

They certainly won't accept a country as poor or as corrupt as Ukraine is now. But unless you've got a crystal ball, how do you what the situation in Ukraine will be 5 to 10 years from now? Remember that Yanukovych got deposed because he reneged on a promise to apply for membership in the EU. 

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3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

They will accept Ukraine into the EU for the simple reason that Europe is so dependent on Ukraine's agricultural resources.

Ukraine needs the EU more than the EU need Ukraine. That said, they might allow them into the Free Trade Zone, I'm not sure what the rules are governing EU-Ukraine now.

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9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

They will accept Ukraine into the EU for the simple reason that Europe is so dependent on Ukraine's agricultural resources.

Europe is self sufficient in terms of food, it is also a wheat exporter. The only sizable import from Ukraine is sunflower, and sunflower oil can be easily substituted.

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10 hours ago, James105 said:

The point I was making, and continue to make, is that the EU is just virtue signalling.    They will not accept a country with as poor GDP or as corrupt as Ukraine into the EU.    Feel free to bookmark this and come back in 20/30/40 years when Ukraine has still not been accepted into the EU if you like.   What Ukraine needs is actual help, not flags in bios or empty gestures like this, but something tangible (e.g tanks) that the EU countries do not seem to be willing to offer.   

That's if EU lasts that long in its current shape. Take out Eastern Europe and club Med, and there are a few countries left funding the bloc. Last thing they need is another big poor country to fund.

 

EU needs to take a look at its competitiveness,  not concentrating on politicking. East Asia is slowly making them irrelevant.

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5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

where do you get your misinformation from?

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports/ukraine

The EU agricultural imports from Ukraine are 5% of their agricultural imports.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Extra-EU_trade_in_agricultural_goods#Main_trading_partners_for_agricultural_products

 

EU itself has a sizable trade surplus in agricultural products of 43 bn,  no chance of going hungry.

 

And as far as trade is concerned they import 3+ times more from Turkey which is far from becoming a member:

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports-by-country

 

They even import more from Malaysia.

 

Try harder next time.

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