The REAL EV vehicle discussion thread.....

[Yellowtail]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, coal is on its way out because of economics because of economics. It's too expensive. Gas peaker plants are now being outcompeted, too. In addition, there's nothing stopping states from regulating power plants within its borders.

And why is it too expensive? 

 

 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And why is it too expensive? 

 

 

Because there's a certain baseline cost imposed by the actual mining of it.

[transam]

Imagine if a business gave free charge top-up, now as someone who has lived in LOS many years, that word free would cause.......????....... to LOS EV owners, especially as their home top-up electric bill just arrived with a ????, and were probably thinking it would be the same as charging their phone... 

Will there be street fights with folk trying to push in the queue, and pushing in queues is a bit of a LOS sport...

 

 

 

 

But then again, it could be a good hangout, a meeting place where folk could play Chess or Dominos, food stalls, karaoke at 10 bht a song, there could be endless pluses to that hanging around.....????

[Scott]

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[transam]

I found this an amusing EV question mark..........????

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/electric-police-cars-run-puff-135415418.html

[seedy]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

A post with an unsubstantiated claim has been reported and removed. 

 

The AA will offer a limited – first come first served – emergency recovery charging facility (to members and non-members) onsite at Bronze car park only, off the A361. Emergency charging is at a fixed cost of £50 for up to an hour’s charge / 80% battery (whichever is soonest). Payment is by card only. Please note this service is for emergency use only and cannot be guaranteed, so please do charge before you arrive

https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/getting-here/by-car/

[KhunLA]

[CharlieH]

Reported trolling post removed.

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, seedy said:

The AA will offer a limited – first come first served – emergency recovery charging facility (to members and non-members) onsite at Bronze car park only, off the A361. Emergency charging is at a fixed cost of £50 for up to an hour’s charge / 80% battery (whichever is soonest). Payment is by card only. Please note this service is for emergency use only and cannot be guaranteed, so please do charge before you arrive

https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/getting-here/by-car/

Surely a 1•5 AA battery can't charge an EV. 

[transam]

Now here is the EV tech that is ideal for LOS, still in development, but they are aiming for a $30,000 production model..This is the prototype, but just listen to the numbers during the vid...????

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 7/4/2022 at 5:00 PM, Yellowtail said:

Actually they sided with the idea of limited government. The ruling made it clear that while the EPA does not currently have the right, there is nothing stopping Congress from giving them the right if that's what they/we want. 

Congress already gave them the right.

 

This was pointed out by Justice Elena Kagan in her scathingly-worded dissent, as follows:

 

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Congress charged EPA with addressing those potentially

catastrophic harms, including through regulation of fossil-

fuel-fired power plants. Section 111 of the Clean Air Act

directs EPA to regulate stationary sources of any substance

that “causes, or contributes significantly to, air pollution”

and that “may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public

health or welfare.” 42 U. S. C. §7411(b)(1)(A). Carbon di-

oxide and other greenhouse gases fit that description.

 Kagan Calls the Supreme Court’s Ruling on the EPA ‘Frightening’: Read the Full Text

[seedy]

Test rides happening now in BKK - not available for order yet.

Yamaha E01 8.1 Kw 30.2 Nm

[seedy]

Went looking for some Nissan parts on N side of CNX today - 2 dealerships closed down.

Then watched this - lots of spin (some would say BS).

Afraid that the company is not long for this world ...

 

[Kwasaki]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:57 AM, transam said:

Now here is the EV tech that is ideal for LOS, still in development, but they are aiming for a $30,000 production model..This is the prototype, but just listen to the numbers during the vid...????

 

 

I have long thought of solar charger system on EV cars so in addition why not have 2 batteries in the car and while one battery is being used the solar panel system is charging plus driving an alternater charging system and you just keep switching over from one battery to the other and it would never need any outside charging facility. ????

[Kwasaki]

On 7/11/2022 at 4:33 PM, seedy said:

Went looking for some Nissan parts on N side of CNX today - 2 dealerships closed down.

Then watched this - lots of spin (some would say BS).

Afraid that the company is not long for this world ...

I thought an EV car is about a car driven by battery power only. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

I have long thought of solar charger system on EV cars so in addition why not have 2 batteries in the car and while one battery is being used the solar panel system is charging plus driving an alternater charging system and you just keep switching over from one battery to the other and it would never need any outside charging facility. ????

What advantage would that bring? 2 batteries mean twice as much weight, and more volume. So an auto is going to have to be a lot larger. And get lower mileage. What's the problem with charging the single battery via solar? Only if the battery is charged to the optimum level would solar charging be turned off.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I thought an EV car is about a car driven by battery power only. 

No. There are HEV's (Hybrid Electric Vehicles) and PHEV's (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles).

Edited July 14, 2022 by placeholder

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What advantage would that bring? 2 batteries mean twice as much weight, and more volume. So an auto is going to have to be a lot larger. And get lower mileage. What's the problem with charging the single battery via solar? Only if the battery is charged to the optimum level would solar charging be turned off.

If you don't need clear skies I guess that would be OK. 

It was that EV car in the video still needs to be charged.

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No. There are HEV's (Hybrid Electric Vehicles) and PHEV's (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles.

I thought the thread was about EV cars not hybrids.

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I thought the thread was about EV cars not hybrids.

You mean PEV's?

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean PEV's?

 

???? No that's why I came up with my 2 battery self charging design no need to plug in. 

 

Maybe call it an AEV. (All electric vehicle).

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

 

???? No that's why I came up with my 2 battery self charging design no need to plug in. 

 

Maybe call it an AEV. (All electric vehicle).

You still haven't explained what advantage having 2 batteries provides over having 1 battery. How will 2 batteries increase the charging rate of the solar cells? 

[Kwasaki]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You still haven't explained what advantage having 2 batteries provides over having 1 battery. How will 2 batteries increase the charging rate of the solar cells? 

What I envisage is the vehicle not being solely reliant on a solar charger alone so when one of the vehicles batteries is propelling the vehicle it is also driving a alternator charging system and at some stage you could switch to the other battery so the used one can recharge.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

What I envisage is the vehicle not being solely reliant on a solar charger alone so when one of the vehicles batteries is propelling the vehicle it is also driving a alternator charging system and at some stage you could switch to the other battery so the used one can recharge.

This still doesn't explain why you need 2 batteries to accomplish this. A battery can be charged while it's discharging.  Also, It seems to me that what you are proposing is virtually a perpetual motion machine. You think that there is enough spare energy that can be recaptured from the drive train plus the solar energy generated by the PVs that your vehicle can run forever? Wouldn't you think that if this were possible it would have been done by now?

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This still doesn't explain why you need 2 batteries to accomplish this. A battery can be charged while it's discharging.  Also, It seems to me that what you are proposing is virtually a perpetual motion machine. You think that there is enough spare energy that can be recaptured from the drive train plus the solar energy generated by the PVs that your vehicle can run forever? Wouldn't you think that if this were possible it would have been done by now?

Yes it would run forever as a self supporting EV vehicle and just my idea and I don't think while one battery is propelling the car it could be charged at the same rate while being used that's why the 2 battery system. 

 

Obviously there will servicing intervals and battery replacements at some stage. 

 

I would think that battery technologies will develop and go further in the future as to the weight and design of systems.

[guzzi850m2]

Mercedes-Benz completes 1,000km electric drive on energy-efficient design VISION EQXX concept

 

Now we are talking, 1000 km in a real world test, mountains included.

 

Beautiful car but likely the production car will be very expensive but it shows that range are improving.

 

 

 

[placeholder]

One thing that's been consistent has been the fact that mainstream predictions about batteries have  invariably been way too conservative. Just a few years ago, predictions were that solid state batteries wouldn't be mass produced before 2030. Lately predictions dropped to 2025 with the caveat that mass production would follow later. Anyway, the latest evidence for impeaching those cautious predictions comes from NIO, a chinese ev manufacturer. They are going to begin offering a solid state battery in the 4th quarter of this year. Depending on what version you buy, it will offer ranges of 850k, 950, and 1000+k.

And NIO batteries are swappable. It takes just a few minutes to exchange an exhausted battery for a charged one. You can charge them at home, too.

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/nio-confirms-150-kwh-solid-state-battery-delivery-in-q4-2022/

Edited July 24, 2022 by placeholder

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

One thing that's been consistent has been the fact that mainstream predictions about batteries have  invariably been way too conservative. Just a few years ago, predictions were that solid state batteries wouldn't be mass produced before 2030. Lately predictions dropped to 2025 with the caveat that mass production would follow later. Anyway, the latest evidence for impeaching those cautious predictions comes from NIO, a chinese ev manufacturer. They are going to begin offering a solid state battery in the 4th quarter of this year. Depending on what version you buy, it will offer ranges of 850k, 950, and 1000+k.

And NIO batteries are swappable. It takes just a few minutes to exchange an exhausted battery for a charged one. You can charge them at home, too.

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/nio-confirms-150-kwh-solid-state-battery-delivery-in-q4-2022/

Here's a link to the video which shows the battery swapping procedure. If you want to skip the introductory stuff, start at the 4 minute mark. It takes about 3 minutes to swap a battery.

https://insideevs.com/news/591837/nio-battery-swapping-station-norway-5-minutes/

[seedy]

 

[placeholder]

14 hours ago, seedy said:

 

And how long has this car salesman been predicting the demise of Tesla? Why would any rational person have confidence in his analysis of future prospects of ICE vehicles?