Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, JimmyJ said: If it is an official figure, if they look at a receipt inside the package, that could include tax and shipping, perhaps service/handling charge. Is the 1500 THB figure supposed to be the total for the item alone? It is an official figure... https://www.customs.go.th/list_strc_simple_neted.php?ini_content=individual_160503_03_160922_01&lang=en&left_menu=menu_individual_submenu_01_160421_02 Thai Customs estimate of the value is based on CIF, cost insurance and freight charges. The purchase price shown on a receipt is not necessarily the value it would not normally include Thai import duty (if any) or Thai VAT. Edited July 14, 2022 by Liverpool Lou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, gearbox said: Amazon already calculates the duty and taxes in the purchase price. Amazon adds their estimated duty into the bill as a separate item. They state they will refund any of that which Thailand does not charge. Have you ever had hassles getting the uncharged part of their estimate refunded to you? How accurate is their estimate? Have you noticed if Thailand has not charged duty if the total bill has been under 1500 THB? Edited July 14, 2022 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, CharlieH said: The technical term is "luck of the draw". In very general terms as with all things in this country, it can depend on what happens on the day. Yes 1500 includes insurance and shipping costs. Doesnt matter what the paperwork on the parcel says, its how they value it a the paperwork is invariably wrong to avoid such charges. You can dispyte and prove otherwise AFTER. That's exactly what it is, luck of the draw, years ago I regularly imported the same goods from China about once a month, each month the import duty was different, sometimes nothing sometimes nearly the same value as the goods, it got to the point that I stopped that project as it was impossible to calculate any profit that could be made. Edited July 14, 2022 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Tedly said: I think it depends on the customs officer or something, in my experiences 100 USD seemed to be when I had to pay more "duty" most times. Some things I order get dropped off by the mail man and sometimes he brings a paper and I have to go to the post office and pay more. I asked at the post office and they said loosely translated that it depends on the mood of customs in Bangkok. It depends on whether your item is selected for examination, not the CO's mood, they cannot physically check every delivery into the country. As the venerable CharlieH wrote, "it's the luck of the draw". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Headgame said: All items sold on Lazada Thailand are inclusive of import duties. That's why you've never been charged those fees. That is 100% false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Photoguy21 said: So basically they make it up depending upon how they feel at the time. Would that be a reasonable assessment? No, it would not. Import duty applied to parcels from overseas is fully documented by Customs or the courier as the duty amount, VAT and any other permitted disbursements, and can be queried and re-assessed by Customs by request. Edited July 14, 2022 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 5 hours ago, portlandtree said: everything i order thru amazon i get no extra charges but the shipping is around $10 usd. You get no extra charges? Meaning Thai Customs does not charge you duty and Amazon refunds their estimated duty charge which was included in their bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kenny202 said: I did see someone state that too, and Ali Express also but wasn't sure if it were true or not It's not, with Lazada purchases. Edited July 14, 2022 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 5 hours ago, portlandtree said: true but if you have friend ,family,etc. send it then yes item, shipping, and tax total $1500 which is bull because the import and vat tax along is half of the $1500 sometimes. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, MrJ2U said: I find DSL almost always gets flagged, try to avoid them. DHL and other courier companies operate as official agents for Thai Customs and have no choice but to collect import duty (if applicable) and VAT on behalf of Customs, it is not a case of their deliveries in particular getting flagged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, plus7 said: I had negative experience with DHL. Besides custom fees, it charges its "service fee" if some extra if you ordered something eatable. The small extra disbursement fee is a charge they are permitted to make to compensate them for officially collecting the duty and VAT for Customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, portlandtree said: everything i order thru amazon i get no extra charges but the shipping is around $10 usd. I would love to order everything from Amazon, and not have to deal with all the potential Lazada/Shopee/Ali hassles I read about. In addition: 1) Amazon cs is excellent; 2) Minimally I can get 5% off but usually or often more than that; 3) Unlike all the phony 3rd party vendors I read about on Lazada et al, the Amazon 3rd parties will try to do anything to please the customer (and hence not get a bad review); 4) Lots of user reviews of the items for sale. However: a) Many things I want can't be shipped to Thailand (or possibly in some cases the 3rd party sellers don't want to), e.g. Vitamins., Soap. But I will try using iHerb for Vitamins which (almost?) everyone seems to be happy with; b) Shipping fees: They do have a flat rate $9.95 USD to Thailand, and currently about 4 mostly very small lightweight items which I want to order can all be combined under that single $9.95 charge for all. I don't know at what point they cut off a combination of items under that single charge. But for the items which they do allow to be shipped to Thailand, many of them are shipped from the 3rd party sellers, so do not come under the flat rate $9.95, and the shipping fees can double or more the price of items. Edited July 14, 2022 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoguy21 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: No, it would not. Import duty applied to parcels from overseas is fully documented by Customs or the courier as the duty amount, VAT and any other permitted disbursements, and can be queried and re-assessed by Customs by request. You dont normally pay duty on items over 6 months and what I sent was more like 4 years which would have been obvious to anyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: 37 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: No, it would not. Import duty applied to parcels from overseas is fully documented by Customs or the courier as the duty amount, VAT and any other permitted disbursements, and can be queried and re-assessed by Customs by request. Expand You dont normally pay duty on items over 6 months There is no specified consideration for the age of imported items. https://www.customs.go.th/list_strc_simple_neted.php?ini_content=individual_160503_03_160922_01&lang=en&left_menu=menu_individual_submenu_01_160421_02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Would be interested in everbody's experiences in ordering from Amazon and receiving the goods in Thailand. Was tempted to start a new thread with the above sentence as the header, but since 3 posters here have already mentioned Amazon, will try to include Amazon comments/info in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoguy21 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: There is no specified consideration for the age of imported items. https://www.customs.go.th/list_strc_simple_neted.php?ini_content=individual_160503_03_160922_01&lang=en&left_menu=menu_individual_submenu_01_160421_02 That is what I implied, it depends how they feel on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyJ said: Amazon adds their estimated duty into the bill as a separate item. They state they will refund any of that which Thailand does not charge. Have you ever had hassles getting the uncharged part of their estimate refunded to you? How accurate is their estimate? Have you noticed if Thailand has not charged duty if the total bill has been under 1500 THB? I would say fairly accurate, as far as I remember I had some sort of refund only once. However duty + vat + shipping in many cases adds a lot, if possible it is usually much better to buy from Amazon overseas/home country and bring it in Thailand as a baggage. Overseas you may be able even to get free shipping with Prime trials. Unfortunately no amazon.co.th any time soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: DHL and other courier companies operate as official agents for Thai Customs and have no choice but to collect import duty (if applicable) and VAT on behalf of Customs, it is not a case of their deliveries in particular getting flagged. DHL will almost always be flagged. Wise to use regular post or FedEx. Theres many threads on this. Pretending to know what you are talking about is hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: DHL and other courier companies operate as official agents for Thai Customs and have no choice but to collect import duty (if applicable) and VAT on behalf of Customs, it is not a case of their deliveries in particular getting flagged. Here's a lengthy thread on more complaints. "DHL / Customs scam ?" Knock yourself out disagreeing with the others who usually have a bad experience with DHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 18 hours ago, Photoguy21 said: 18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: There is no specified consideration for the age of imported items. https://www.customs.go.th/list_strc_simple_neted.php?ini_content=individual_160503_03_160922_01&lang=en&left_menu=menu_individual_submenu_01_160421_02 Expand That is what I implied, it depends how they feel on the day Not exactly, you implied that because the clothes were used they should not have had duty levied on them. That is incorrect, duty applies to new or used items, the regulations make no distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 15 hours ago, MrJ2U said: 18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: DHL and other courier companies operate as official agents for Thai Customs and have no choice but to collect import duty (if applicable) and VAT on behalf of Customs, it is not a case of their deliveries in particular getting flagged. Expand DHL will almost always be flagged ... Pretending to know what you are talking about is hilarious. Knowing what I am talking about is hilarious also. DHL deliveries are not "flagged", DHL (and other couriers) have a contract to collect duty and VAT on behalf of the Customs Department and will always apply it if the item is assessible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headgame Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, Kenny202 said: I did see someone state that too, and Ali Express also but wasn't sure if it were true or not Not true regarding AliExpress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headgame Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: That is 100% false. Ah, no. It's 100% true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Knowing what I am talking about is hilarious also. DHL deliveries are not "flagged", DHL (and other couriers) have a contract to collect duty and VAT on behalf of the Customs Department and will always apply it if the item is assessible. I don't think you understand. Don't follow thousands of complaints and advice. Use them, I could care less if you get fleeced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 15 hours ago, MrJ2U said: Knock yourself out disagreeing with the others who usually have a bad experience with DHL. What I wrote regarding DHL and some other couriers, collecting duty and VAT on behalf of the Customs Department is correct, that is why so many think that DHL gives them a hard time, they are paid to do that and have no option but to apply duty and tax. Anyone who disputes those charges can ask Customs for a re-assessment. That others disagree with my pointing out what is a fact doesn't make my comment wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: 12 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Knowing what I am talking about is hilarious also. DHL deliveries are not "flagged", DHL (and other couriers) have a contract to collect duty and VAT on behalf of the Customs Department and will always apply it if the item is assessible. Expand I don't think you understand. Don't follow thousands of complaints and advice. Use them, I could care less if you get fleeced. I understand, it's you who doesn't. "Thousands" (what a joke) of Thaivisa complaints and advice doesn't make the fact that DHL is authorised to collect duty and VAT false. I don't use DHL, didn't say that I did and I'm not getting fleeced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 18 hours ago, JimmyJ said: Would be interested in everbody's experiences in ordering from Amazon and receiving the goods in Thailand. Was tempted to start a new thread with the above sentence as the header, but since 3 posters here have already mentioned Amazon, will try to include Amazon comments/info in this thread. It depends what you want to order. Nice thing is the vat+duty calculations so you know what exactly you are paying. I was shopping there for carbon kayak paddles, good choices and prices until I saw the shipping charges.. On the other end small items like DRAM sticks won't incur prohibitive shipping charges. E.g I ordered from there 2 pairs of swimming goggles, great quality and price, all in all the total price was very competitive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: DHL gives them a hard time Plenty of other companies that are cheaper and less likely to have your shipments opened or unfairly taxed. Personally I choose not to use them along with many others. What service you choose is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Headgame said: 19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: That is 100% false. Ah, no. It's 100% true. No, it is not true. The prices quoted by all vendors on Lazada do not cover potential import duty and VAT levied by Thailand on certain items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 18 hours ago, gearbox said: I would say fairly accurate, as far as I remember I had some sort of refund only once. However duty + vat + shipping in many cases adds a lot, if possible it is usually much better to buy from Amazon overseas/home country and bring it in Thailand as a baggage. Overseas you may be able even to get free shipping with Prime trials. Unfortunately no amazon.co.th any time soon. I usually get a small refund which is nice when using Amazon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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