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Cant decide if I should get another covid booster. What about you?

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6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I personally know 3 of them, the others are friends or colleagues of people I know and trust.

 

Please spare me the lecture on "anecdotal reports which prove nothing vs. science", I know to you it's "anything but".

To make you feel better, I did get another bout of Shingles after my second jab, not the third though.......????

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Why not respect what his family have asked:

 

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6 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

 

Time for you to come up with numbers to support your case..

 

1. How many humans have been vaccinated for C19.. 

 

2. How many human lives are estimated to have been saved by the C19 vaccine.

 

3. How many lives have been lost, directly by the C19 vaccine. 

 

6 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

 

 

In such circumstances those supportive of the vaccination simply counter the ridiculous claims made by anti-vaxxers that ‘it must be the vaccine’...... just because someone has had a vaccine it does not automatically lend to cause for any issue subsequently encountered...

 

600,000 plus people in the UK die each year... most of them have had the vaccine. 

 

On 8/16/2022 at 8:39 AM, transam said:

Why a different vax each time....?

Crudely speaking, imagine your immunity as a circular room with a series of entry doors. The virus is outside of that room trying to get in (into your system). Each (different) vaccine will close a number of (different) doors, but not all.

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17 minutes ago, transam said:

Time for you to come up with numbers to support your case..

 

1. How many humans have been vaccinated for C19.. 

 

2. How many human lives are estimated to have been saved by the C19 vaccine.

 

3. How many lives have been lost, directly by the C19 vaccine. 

 

Unfortunately, given the outrageous track record of pharmaceutical giants, who have paid billions in damages over the years for lying about safety data for profit, it is difficult to trust any numbers they publish. The same goes for their paid collaborators, which include media outlets and the CDC. I posted a link earlier in this thread regarding the media, here is one specifically about the CDC:

 

https://lowninstitute.org/cdc-disclaimers-hide-financial-conflicts-of-interest/#:~:text=Recently%2C the CDC accepted %243.4,muscular atrophy%2C the petition states.

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59 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I personally know 3 of them, the others are friends or colleagues of people I know and trust.

 

Please spare me the lecture on "anecdotal reports which prove nothing vs. science", I know to you it's "anything but".

To make you feel better, I did get another bout of Shingles after my second jab, not the third though.......????

I had ‘covid arm’... a dull ache in my arm from all of the Covid-19 vaccines, this is the body's innate immune response.. I also felt a little feverish the next day, again, the immune response...

 

The ‘negative reaction from the vaccine’...  is similar to the bodies response from many other vaccines taken.... 

 

Now... there are serious issues that the vaccines have caused... it would appear that in very rare cases the mRNA vaccination can cause myocarditis - JAMA article suggests 9 out 1 million vaccinated people show symptoms which last a couple of days and could be attributed to myocarditis.

Reports also suggest that there is a greater risk of developing myocarditis from the Pfizer vaccine than Moderna - but there has also been greater hysteria surrounding Pfizer in Europe, so this statistic could be distorted by local concern rather than any genuine statistical difference. 

 

There is also the risk of VITT...  this risk is not specific to covid vaccines through, this risk is present with most vaccines to the same almost infinitesimally small factor. 

 

The above mentioned risk factors which do exist with the mRNA and conventional vaccines (myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia and also Thrombosis) are also present in many every day factors of our lives, such as catching colds, suffering from Influenza, alcohol consumption, even certain foods can increase the risk factors.....  

... And of course, one of the the biggest risks of both thrombosis and myocarditis is Covid-19 itself...

 

The risks of facing these issues from ‘ever day factors’ is significantly greater than that presented from takin vaccines (any of them) and also mRNA vaccines. 

 

So.. for those who are considering ’not taking the vaccine’ because they believe the risk of Myocarditis is too high...  they should perhaps spend great efforts avoiding Influenza, avoid red mean, avoid high-fat dairy products, cut down on salt, avoid alcohol..... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, transam said:

To make you feel better, I did get another bout of Shingles after my second jab, not the third though.......????

Why would that make him feel better? He's trying to convince people NOT to get vaccinated - so they can AVOID such side effects - and much worse ones.

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2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I had ‘covid arm’... a dull ache in my arm from all of the Covid-19 vaccines, this is the body's innate immune response.. I also felt a little feverish the next day, again, the immune response...

 

The ‘negative reaction from the vaccine’...  is similar to the bodies response from many other vaccines taken.... 

 

Now... there are serious issues that the vaccines have caused... it would appear that in very rare cases the mRNA vaccination can cause myocarditis - JAMA article suggests 9 out 1 million vaccinated people show symptoms which last a couple of days and could be attributed to myocarditis.

Reports also suggest that there is a greater risk of developing myocarditis from the Pfizer vaccine than Moderna - but there has also been greater hysteria surrounding Pfizer in Europe, so this statistic could be distorted by local concern rather than any genuine statistical difference. 

 

There is also the risk of VITT...  this risk is not specific to covid vaccines through, this risk is present with most vaccines to the same almost infinitesimally small factor. 

 

The above mentioned risk factors which do exist with the mRNA and conventional vaccines (myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia and also Thrombosis) are also present in many every day factors of our lives, such as catching colds, suffering from Influenza, alcohol consumption, even certain foods can increase the risk factors.....  

... And of course, one of the the biggest risks of both thrombosis and myocarditis is Covid-19 itself...

 

The risks of facing these issues from ‘ever day factors’ is significantly greater than that presented from takin vaccines (any of them) and also mRNA vaccines. 

 

So.. for those who are considering ’not taking the vaccine’ because they believe the risk of Myocarditis is too high...  they should perhaps spend great efforts avoiding Influenza, avoid red mean, avoid high-fat dairy products, cut down on salt, avoid alcohol..... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless, of course, the real numbers regarding vaccine-induced myocarditis are higher than what is reported, due to the underreporting factor of passive reporting systems as demonstrated in the study I posted a couple of days ago here (which concludes these systems often only capture 10-20% of actual cases), combined with the conflicts of interests of media outlets who are paid by pharmaceutical companies to portray them and their products favorably (I posted a link to an article about this a few days ago in this thread, JAMA is one of the said paid media). These companies have a demonstrated history of hiding controversial data for profit and then just paying damages if/when they lose a court case, which are a fraction of the profits they made.

 

Hence my reliance on empirical data which is all we have (as well as alternative, independent media of course, which are not always unbiased but do provide an interesting counterpoint).

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On 8/12/2022 at 2:44 PM, connda said:

Why is it that everyone I know who have had the shots have also had Covid.
In my personal circle of friends, family, and acquaintance - every fully vaxxed person has contracted Covid.

 

Likewise  the only people I know who haven't had it are all unvaxxed

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23 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

What is preposterous is the selective cherry-picking of adverse data to suit the anti-vaxxer argument, when the statistics world-wide indicate getting jabbed drastically reduces the probability of dying, being admitted to an ICU, or developing long COVID.

 

What is preposterous is COVID anti-vaxxers who shriek to high heaven about those vaccines, when they have very probably been inoculated against polio, typhoid, tetanus, whooping cough, Hep A and flu, without any ill effects. Permit me to doubt there are many whose bodies are completely unsullied by a needle.

 

What is preposterous is those same anti-vaxxers who reject medical science, seeking the best medical assistance they can afford if they happen to break a bone, or come down with any painful condition. Quite happy to accept the help of Big Pharma then.

 

The anti-vaxxer belief system reminds me of those religions that reject life-saving blood transfusions for their adherents.

 

There are instances of unvaccinated COVID patients being wheeled into ICU wards begging for vaccination, I guess that's heresy. Or recanting their beliefs.

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Before 2021 I had never known any young healthy person who suffered from myocarditis.

before 2021 I had never ever heard of myocarditis

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Utterly ridiculous and fundamentally flawed bias...  these ‘you’re either with us or against us’ statements are moronic.... 

 

In such circumstances those supportive of the vaccination simply counter the ridiculous claims made by anti-vaxxers that ‘it must be the vaccine’...... just because someone has had a vaccine it does not automatically lend to cause for any issue subsequently encountered...

 

600,000 plus people in the UK die each year... most of them have had the vaccine. 

 

 

I'm afraid post hoc ergo propter hoc - after this, therefore because of this, is the only logic train an anti-vaxxer can follow. No other explanation allowed.

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm afraid post hoc ergo propter hoc - after this, therefore because of this, is the only logic train an anti-vaxxer can follow. No other explanation allowed.

Unfortunately posters of such comments fail to identify the flaw in their 'Post hoc fallacy’ and believe they are presenting sound argument. 

 

23 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:
13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Before 2021 I had never known any young healthy person who suffered from myocarditis.

before 2021 I had never ever heard of myocarditis

Neither had the vast majority of laypeople...  yet some of us will have suffered from it through various interactions in from diet to illnesses caused by viruses and bacteria without even knowing... sometimes the symptoms are so mild... Or in rare cases, when we are feeling quite unwell (i.e. influenza) we are weak and and our body is aching we may have myocarditis at the same time...

 

There seems to be this crazy panic around myocarditis as if it always results in death... its inflammation of the heart... when we are unwell, much of the body becomes inflamed, in the case of myocarditis, the heard muscle becomes inflamed - it can of course be very serious, but more commonly symptoms are brief. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What is preposterous is the selective cherry-picking of adverse data to suit the anti-vaxxer argument, when the statistics world-wide indicate getting jabbed drastically reduces the probability of dying, being admitted to an ICU, or developing long COVID.

 

What is preposterous is COVID anti-vaxxers who shriek to high heaven about those vaccines, when they have very probably been inoculated against polio, typhoid, tetanus, whooping cough, Hep A and flu, without any ill effects. Permit me to doubt there are many whose bodies are completely unsullied by a needle.

 

What is preposterous is those same anti-vaxxers who reject medical science, seeking the best medical assistance they can afford if they happen to break a bone, or come down with any painful condition. Quite happy to accept the help of Big Pharma then.

 

The anti-vaxxer belief system reminds me of those religions that reject life-saving blood transfusions for their adherents.

 

There are instances of unvaccinated COVID patients being wheeled into ICU wards begging for vaccination, I guess that's heresy. Or recanting their beliefs.

Such arrogance and contempt in these words…

 

Quite happy to be a blasphemer of your "Science" belief system.

 

As for the rest… time will tell.

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On 8/13/2022 at 4:13 AM, TropicalGuy said:

Don’t confuse the irrational anti - vaxxers with facts ???? like around 39 in 40 western Covid dead before omicron were ….. unvaxxed.
 

UK Office of National Statistics and Equivalent bodies in all western nations. 

This can be “opinion” as not posting links that water is wet.????????????

Lets deal in facts not scaring people.

 

   The median age for those who died from COVID-19 was 86.9 years (85.2 years for males, 88.4 years for females

 

 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-31-july-2021

 

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/life-expectancy

 

Avg lifespan 83yo.

 

so covid killed people older than average lifespan

 

Thats the reality.

 

Under 50yos death rate low.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Deflect and divert, you are not answering the questions.

The question was to provide figures on lives lost vs. lives saved by the Covid shots. I demonstrated that the official figures available are intrinsically invalid for blatant reasons of conflict of interest. That's not deflection or diversion, it's a straightforward, unambiguous answer.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Given it mostly killed old people we dont know.

 

 

2.5 million people died from pneumonia in 2019. Almost a third of all victims were children younger than 5 years, it is the leading cause of death for children under 5.

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Likewise  the only people I know who haven't had it are all unvaxxed

This has been my experience as well, including myself unless what I had in October of 2019 was Covid, which is entirely possible.

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

When I am told by an anti-vaxxer poster I am wrong and know nothing, that is contempt of the five years I spent getting a tertiary qualification, and the 50 -odd years I spent getting better at my chosen line of work.

 

I do have to wonder if posters who dismiss training in science, logic and statistics themselves have a limited formal education, and hence a giant chip on their shoulder about the lack.

 

A friend once said to me " It doesn't matter how smart you think you are, there is always going to be someone out there who is smarter than you."

 

Can't say I have encountered an anti-vaxxer that fits the bill.

 The modus operandi over the last few years , where governments have acted tyranically to carry out the whole pandemic with lockdowns and terrible mandates  can be summed up now

                 "It's always the one with dirty hands pointing the finger"

 

Many more see that now.    And there will be many more to come .................

 

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

 The modus operandi over the last few years , where governments have acted tyranically to carry out the whole pandemic with lockdowns and terrible mandates  can be summed up now

                 "It's always the one with dirty hands pointing the finger"

 

Many more see that now.    And there will be many more to come .................

 

You always get that after the event, the "I told you so" crowd, who probably never said a word in the first place....????

Remember, most of the planet were doing the same thing.????

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, rumak said:

 The modus operandi over the last few years , where governments have acted tyranically to carry out the whole pandemic with lockdowns and terrible mandates  can be summed up now

                 "It's always the one with dirty hands pointing the finger"

 

Many more see that now.    And there will be many more to come .................

 

Hindsight is always 20:20. Tell us what you would have done.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

When I am told by an anti-vaxxer poster I am wrong and know nothing, that is contempt of the five years I spent getting a tertiary qualification, and the 50 -odd years I spent getting better at my chosen line of work.

 

I do have to wonder if posters who dismiss training in science, logic and statistics themselves have a limited formal education, and hence a giant chip on their shoulder about the lack.

 

A friend once said to me " It doesn't matter how smart you think you are, there is always going to be someone out there who is smarter than you."

 

Can't say I have encountered an anti-vaxxer that fits the bill.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

40 minutes ago, transam said:

You always get that after the event, the "I told you so" crowd, who probably never said a word in the first place....????

Remember, most of the planet were doing the same thing.????

 

 

 

haha   but not me TA .     you were putting sarcastic laugh emojis on my  "anti COVID vaccines" since a long long time ago.          More than a year, in fact 

i was trying to help you understand  ????

28 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Which begs the question, how do anti-vaxxers know they are right?

Several posts, and ensuing replies, have been removed for trolling, being off-topic, misinformation and a flame.

 

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1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

When I am told by an anti-vaxxer poster I am wrong and know nothing, that is contempt of the five years I spent getting a tertiary qualification, and the 50 -odd years I spent getting better at my chosen line of work.

 

I do have to wonder if posters who dismiss training in science, logic and statistics themselves have a limited formal education, and hence a giant chip on their shoulder about the lack.

 

A friend once said to me " It doesn't matter how smart you think you are, there is always going to be someone out there who is smarter than you."

 

Can't say I have encountered an anti-vaxxer that fits the bill.

You arent a doctor or a vaccine expert. Your opinion is worth no more than anybody else.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Hindsight is always 20:20. Tell us what you would have done.

Locked down hospitals and aged care. Let others live their lives.

 

Other things kill far more people.

 

Total mismanagement.

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