Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[CharlieH]

Interview with Enoch Powell from 1971, his forcast for the beginning of this century was spot on !

 

 

[proton]

One of the most intelligent people to ever sit in the commons.

[Kwasaki]

He thought ahead of his time and ended up predicting what did happen in the future, as usual no only a few listen. 

Blood on the streets was one of his speech Les from memory.

[ivor bigun]

He could see the future ,but i bet he never guessed how bad it would really get ,and i fear there is far worse to come ,my old home town is no longer in the UK if he walked the streets now , as for violence ,its a daily occurance.

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

He could see the future ,but i bet he never guessed how bad it would really get ,and i fear there is far worse to come ,my old home town is no longer in the UK if he walked the streets now , as for violence ,its a daily occurance.

Remember parts of Wembley and Willesden were no go areas 60 years ago. 

[ivor bigun]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Remember parts of Wembley and Willesden were no go areas 60 years ago. 

You havin a laugh , i lived in Finchley ,my aunt in Willesden,never any problems ,as for Wembely ,maybe odd football days ,but very little other trouble ,mind you that was 50 yrs ago not 60 when i was there.

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Here's a selection from Enoch Powell's infamous speech which he defended in this interview

“As I look ahead,” Powell said, “I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood,’” an allusion to a line in Virgil’s Aeneid. He maintained that it would not be enough to close Britain’s borders—some of the immigrants already settled in the country would need to be sent “home.” If not, he declared, attributing a quote to one of his constituents, “in this country, in 15 or 20 years’ time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/enoch-powell-rivers-of-blood/558344/

 

Do you believe that the "black man" starting about 1991, which is 20 years from the date of that interview, that the black man has held the whip hand over the white man in the uk?

(For the benefit of Americans it should be noted that in the UK "black" was used more expansively. Not only to categorize people with sub-Saharan African roots, but also Indians and Pakistanis.)

[Kwasaki]

13 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

You havin a laugh , i lived in Finchley ,my aunt in Willesden,never any problems ,as for Wembely ,maybe odd football days ,but very little other trouble ,mind you that was 50 yrs ago not 60 when i was there.

I'm not talking large areas at the time like there are now. 

 

Finchley & Willesden chalk and cheese. 

 

You obviously don't know the Wembley area very well near where I lived.

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Here's a selection from Enoch Powell's infamous speech which he defended in this interview

“As I look ahead,” Powell said, “I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood,’” an allusion to a line in Virgil’s Aeneid. He maintained that it would not be enough to close Britain’s borders—some of the immigrants already settled in the country would need to be sent “home.” If not, he declared, attributing a quote to one of his constituents, “in this country, in 15 or 20 years’ time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/enoch-powell-rivers-of-blood/558344/

 

Do you believe that the "black man" starting about 1991, which is 20 years from the date of that interview, that the black man has held the whip hand over the white man in the uk?

(For the benefit of Americans it should be noted that in the UK "black" was used more expansively. Not only to categorize people with sub-Saharan African roots, but also Indians and Pakistanis.)

OK you can take the knee. ????

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2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

OK you can take the knee. ????

We can thank Ivan Pavlov for helping us to understand your response.

[Kwasaki]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

We can thank Ivan Pavlov for helping us to understand your response.

Never heard of him his nothing to do with construction or engineering I take it, who the ell is he. 

[userabcd]

2 hours ago, proton said:

One of the most intelligent people to ever sit in the commons.

Does not require much intelligence to be a politician, the world over.

 

He had advisors, discussed his beliefs and made them known, that is all.

Edited September 1, 2022 by userabcd

[Seppius]

Nigel Farage is the modern day Enoch, he has been going on about the channel crossings for 5 years or more, 10,000s  have crossed in that time

[proton]

30 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Does not require much intelligence to be a politician, the world over.

 

He had advisors, discussed his beliefs and made them known, that is all.

Can you name one advisor? he talked mainly about facts not beliefs, but his prediction that if nothing was done to control immigration in 50 years large parts of cities would be occupied by alien cultures came true.

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4 minutes ago, proton said:

Can you name one advisor? he talked mainly about facts not beliefs, but his prediction that if nothing was done to control immigration in 50 years large parts of cities would be occupied by alien cultures came true.

His prediction was that there would be rivers of blood and the black man would hold the whip hand over the white man. And according to him that should have been the state of things starting in about 1991. He was forecasting a race war. Has that occurred?

Edited September 1, 2022 by placeholder

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It's funny that Brexiters claim Enoch Powell as a precursor to Nigel Farage. Does anyone think he'd be happy about this? 

Huge rise in non-EU migrants to Britain

The implementation of a more liberal points-based immigration system after Brexit has resulted in soaring numbers of workers and students from Africa, India and the Philippines.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-rise-in-non-eu-migrants-to-britain-037qpx3x0

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by placeholder

[proton]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

His prediction was that there would be rivers of blood and the black man would hold the whip hand over the white man. And according to him that should have been the state of things starting in about 1991. He was forecasting a race war. Has that occurred?

No, wrong, he was quoting what a constituent had said to him re his fear on immigration as part of the speech. If you knew anything about him or the speech you would have been aware of that.

[topt]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Never heard of him his nothing to do with construction or engineering I take it, who the ell is he. 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ivan-Pavlov

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15 minutes ago, proton said:

No, wrong, he was quoting what a constituent had said to him re his fear on immigration as part of the speech. If you knew anything about him or the speech you would have been aware of that.

How's this instead?

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood." That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.

 

https://anth1001.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/enoch-powell_speech.pdf

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, topt said:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ivan-Pavlov

What's a shrink got to do with Powell. ????

[ozimoron]

53 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Nigel Farage is the modern day Enoch, he has been going on about the channel crossings for 5 years or more, 10,000s  have crossed in that time

That's no compliment to either Powell or Farage.

Edited September 1, 2022 by ozimoron

[Chomper Higgot]

Nah he was a racist, admired by racists.

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Fortunately his jingoistic views are very much a thing of the past, Brexit notwithstanding.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Nah he was a racist, admired by racists.

 

 

He wasn't far off though, was he............????

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

He wasn't far off though, was he............????

He was way off.

 

I was recently in a northern English town, full of the people this racist Powell was inciting fear and hatred of. 
 

The people of that town share far more things in common than the colour of their skin.

 

The century has turned, that town, like others across the country have proven Powell wrong, the vast majority of people living there were born there, raised there, educated there, work there, and very rightly consider themselves British.

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[roo860]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He was way off.

 

I was recently in a northern English town, full of the people this racist Powell was inciting fear and hatred of. 
 

The people of that town share far more things in common than the colour of their skin.

 

The century has turned, that town, like others across the country have proven Powell wrong, the vast majority of people living there were born there, raised there, educated there, work there, and very rightly consider themselves British.

 

 

 

Which town?

[Chomper Higgot]

At the time of Powell speaking the only significant immigration to the UK was from the Caribbean (The Windrush Generation).

 

Powell lies when he says these people were not invited, he fails to mention the ‘British Nationality Act 1948’ or the recruitment of people in the Caribbean to fill jobs in the UK.

 

These people were invited to come to the UK, they contributed immensely to the economy and the culture of the country.

 

They were treated abysmally, up an until the modern day.

 

The racist Powell climbed on his soap box to stoke fear and hatred for his own political objectives.

 

The immigrants where his target and the immigrants suffered.

 

He was a despicable man.

 

And yes, a racist, admired then as now by racists.

 

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Which town?

Let’s see if you can work it out, there’s a clue somewhere.

[ozimoron]

32 minutes ago, Excel said:

But 54 years ago when he made his remarks I bet they weren't. Nor were you most probably

No reason at all to be racist. Blind Freddy could see those people were going to raise British born kids. Just like where I come from, the largest population of the town (state capital) was Chinese until WW2. Forty years ago the town mayor was one of those Chinese. The Chinese were the richest demographic in town. After the war the town as flooded by Greek and Italian migrants. The locals disdained them and called them w*gs. Now the town mayor is one of those Greeks as is the state administrator (governor). The Greeks are the richest demographic in town. The town's largest social event of the year is the Glenti festival. One of the Italian kids born in the town became the CEO of Dow Chemical. The second richest demographic is still the Chinese. The new money is the Vietnamese community.

Edited September 1, 2022 by ozimoron

[Excel]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

No reason at all to be racist. Blind Freddy could see those people were going to raise British born kids. Just like where I come from, the largest population of the town (state capital) was Chinese until WW2. Forty years ago the town mayor was one of those Chinese. The Chinese were the richest demographic in town. After the war the town as flooded by Greek and Italian migrants. The locals disdained them and called them w*gs. Now the town mayor is one of those Greeks as is the state administrator (governor). The Greeks are the richest demographic in town. The town's largest social even of the year is the Glenti festival. The second richest is still the Chinese.

So we are now deflecting into other countries now are we !!!   What next linking Enoch Powells comments to the entire world ? Please stay with the threads specific subject matter. As a side note, as those immigrants were allowed into the UK then during the 1950's and 60's saw some of the highest levels of emigration from the UK, actually exceeding immigration levels at times. Guess they too saw what was going to happen and got out asap.