Biden speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

"The Big Lie" was an anti-semitic trope used by Hitler and the Nazis to falsely smear their Jewish compatriots.  It is gaining traction lately in an attempt to link the GOP to Hitler's goons. But it really comes across as hysterical and not appropriate and has no place in modern politics.

As discussed before, you are right about the origin of this expression. However, as also discussed before, this is also used to characterize a propaganda technique used by Goebbels and more recently by Bannon. 

And That's exactly what Trump is doing (If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it-Goebbels).

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

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Sorry I don't get what you want.  I provided a "top 10" list of issues that voters think are very important. The "threat to democracy" did not make the list. Neither did environmental concerns, interestingly.   So I am not sure what you want.  

Climate change was in the list. 42% said its a very big problem. Only 11% said not a problem at all. Wonder who were these 11%?

Edited September 12, 2022 by Eric Loh
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[candide]

28 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is equally at fault for using it. No one covered in glory here. 

 

Probably the best thing to do is not refer to it at all. It is history and has no bearing on the current situation. Trump lost, he was butt-hurt, but he'll get over it. But he will get over it a lot slower if you keep him in your dreams.

Nice try at distracting attention from the key issue. The key issue is not how it is called, but that Trump has been continuously repeating the same lie (which is a big one).

 

Trump is not "equally" at fault. Trump is "solely" at fault for pushing this lie over and over. Nobody would talk about it if Trump had just shut up, instead of using this lie as a tactic to gain political benefits.

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45 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is equally at fault for using it. No one covered in glory here. 

 

Probably the best thing to do is not refer to it at all. It is history and has no bearing on the current situation. Trump lost, he was butt-hurt, but he'll get over it. But he will get over it a lot slower if you keep him in your dreams.

What evidence is there that Trump will get over it? And it's not about him being hurt, it's about him propagating a massive lie which is immensely damaging to the democratic process. Thanks to the lunacy Trump keeps on feeding, some fanatics broke into voting machines and hacked the software. This actually could make possible voter fraud in the future.

 

Files copied from voting systems were shared with Trump supporters, election deniers

Sensitive election system files obtained by attorneys working to overturn President Donald Trump’s 2020 defeat were shared with election deniers, conspiracy theorists and right-wing commentators, according to records reviewed by The Washington Post.

A Georgia computer forensics firm, hired by the attorneys, placed the files on a server, where company records show they were downloaded dozens of times. Among the downloaders were accounts associated with a Texas meteorologist who has appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show; a podcaster who suggested political enemies should be executed; a former pro surfer who pushed disproven theories that the 2020 election was manipulated; and a self-described former “seduction and pickup coach” who claims to also have been a hacker.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/08/22/election-system-copied-files-trump/#:~:text=Files copied from voting systems were shared with Trump supporters%2C election deniers   

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On 9/12/2022 at 5:04 PM, Hanaguma said:

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Sorry I don't get what you want.  I provided a "top 10" list of issues that voters think are very important. The "threat to democracy" did not make the list. Neither did environmental concerns, interestingly.   So I am not sure what you want.  

Really?

Threats to democracy top list of issues facing US: poll

Threats to democracy clocked in as the most important issue facing the country for a plurality of registered voters, according to an NBC News poll.

The poll found that 21 percent of respondents ranked threats to democracy as the most important issue, followed by 16 percent who indicated the cost of living and 14 percent who said jobs and the economy.

When respondents were asked to choose their top two issues, threats to democracy tied with cost of living as a top concern for 29 percent of respondents. Jobs and the economy clocked in at 28 percent, followed by immigration and climate change.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3610753-threats-to-democracy-top-list-of-issues-facing-us-poll/

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by metisdead
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On 9/12/2022 at 1:45 PM, Hanaguma said:

According to Pew Research, these are the top 10 issues in order of importance: economy, gun policy, violent crime, health care, voting policy, education, Supreme Court, abortion, energy policy, immigration.  How many of these issues did Biden address in his speech? How many do Democrats want to talk about at all?

 

I don't see "democracy under threat" on that list. Gas prices? $2.28 a gallon in December 2020, stlil averaging $4.00 now, hardly a win for Biden.   Inflation? 1.4% in December 2020, nearly 8% today. As for the abortion issue, it is pretty much 50/50. Most Americans favor some limits on abortion availability. Few are extreme- either wanting it banned or wanting it legal until the moment of birth. 

 

So what has Joe done to be proud of exactly?  He would surely be campaigning on his record if he had one to tout. Not trying to drum up old divisions and fears.

The latest Pew Poll that I saw was dated May 12, 2022. Lots has changed since then. Like this, for example:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/

 

[candide]

Here we are!

Trump warns of 'problems' like 'we've never seen' if he's indicted

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-problems-weve-never-145023687.html

[bendejo]

On 9/11/2022 at 12:37 AM, candide said:

Pennsylvania governor candidate Doug Mastriano prayed Trump would 'seize the power' ahead of January 6, video shows

"I pray that we'll take responsibility — we'll seize the power that we had given to us by the Constitution, and as well by You, providentially. I pray for the leaders also in the federal government, God, on the 6th of January that they will rise up with boldness," he said.

https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-governor-candidate-doug-mastriano-014302235.html

He is the sort that non-MAGA Republicans are afraid of.  I could picture him doing something completely off-the-wall if elected, like putting a neighborhood with mostly ethnic residents under siege.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

Here we are!

Trump warns of 'problems' like 'we've never seen' if he's indicted

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-problems-weve-never-145023687.html

If Political parties are using use of the law to stop opponents running in elections , they would be corrupting the democratic vote and one would hope that American citizens wouldn't accept that corruption .

   

[candide]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If Political parties are using use of the law to stop opponents running in elections , they would be corrupting the democratic vote and one would hope that American citizens wouldn't accept that corruption .

   

I am not sure I understand. Do you mean the law should not be applied to political opponents?

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

I am not sure I understand. Do you mean the law should not be applied to political opponents?

The law shouldn't be used JUST because they are Political opponents .

   If a President was concerned about his popularity decreasing and losing the next election , getting his opponent  arrested would be going against democratic principles 

[bendejo]

On 9/11/2022 at 10:01 PM, LosLobo said:

Trump's always covers his ****, by firstly clearly promoting his hate rhetoric, then days later walking it back. This gives approval to the supremacists then the walk back provides cover for his apologists and general confusion.

Note that these "walk back" words will probably not be covered by Fox or the other networks that have fallen off the edge of the sane world.

 

 

[candide]

48 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The law shouldn't be used JUST because they are Political opponents .

   If a President was concerned about his popularity decreasing and losing the next election , getting his opponent  arrested would be going against democratic principles 

Then it doesn't apply to the current case then, as Trump is solely responsible for it. You know, by refusing to give back presidential records, hiding them, having his lawyers lie about it  etc...

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Then it doesn't apply to the current case then, as Trump is solely responsible for it. You know, by refusing to give back presidential records, hiding them, having his lawyers lie about it  etc...

He claims otherwise though . 

It remains to be seen whether the raids on his home were genuine necessary raids and there were genuine legitimate  concerns  about secrets  and classified material or whether the raids were done to stop Trump running in the next election .

   We are still waiting to find out

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Here we are!

Trump warns of 'problems' like 'we've never seen' if he's indicted

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-problems-weve-never-145023687.html

 

When DT goes vague like this it means he has nothing.

An enemy is targeted, of which he says "he (or she) has done some bad things!"  You well know if he had any details he would not shy away from saying them.  And when he thinks he has something he will repeat it incessantly.

 

And always be weary when he uses the word we. 

He told the 1/6 rioters "we love you."  Like that old punchline "what mean WE, white man?"

 

 

[candide]

47 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He claims otherwise though . 

It remains to be seen whether the raids on his home were genuine necessary raids and there were genuine legitimate  concerns  about secrets  and classified material or whether the raids were done to stop Trump running in the next election .

   We are still waiting to find out

He claims otherwise! Lol! As if he had any credibility! ( You know, the same guy who claims he won the 2020 elections)

 

BTW what if a politician would  have strengthened a law just to harm a political opponent, and would ultimately end up having a taste of his own medicine? Should he feel outraged or just dumb?

Edited September 15, 2022 by candide

[heybruce]

22 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If Political parties are using use of the law to stop opponents running in elections , they would be corrupting the democratic vote and one would hope that American citizens wouldn't accept that corruption .

   

The Department of Justice isn't a political party.

[Scott]

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[LarrySR]

Trump threatens to unleash the MAGA nitwits if indicted.

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On 9/16/2022 at 3:31 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

He claims otherwise though . 

It remains to be seen whether the raids on his home were genuine necessary raids and there were genuine legitimate  concerns  about secrets  and classified material or whether the raids were done to stop Trump running in the next election .

   We are still waiting to find out

We know that this began with the National Archives asking Trump to return documents to the government. Documents that the law which he signed clearly forbade him from. It would have been a simple matter to return them immediately. Trump failed to fully comply with their request. It was only then, after about 1 year, that the justice department got involved at the request of NARA.

[LarrySR]

On 9/16/2022 at 1:47 AM, candide said:

Here we are!

Trump warns of 'problems' like 'we've never seen' if he's indicted

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-problems-weve-never-145023687.html

When a malignant narcissist is backed into a corner their response is predictable.

[LosLobo]

On 9/16/2022 at 6:01 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

He claims otherwise though . 

It remains to be seen whether the raids on his home were genuine necessary raids and there were genuine legitimate  concerns  about secrets  and classified material or whether the raids were done to stop Trump running in the next election .

   We are still waiting to find out

Are you blind? Why can't you see that the raids were necessary and that there were genuine concerns for the US's National Security?

 

Trump gave highly classified information to Lavrov in a private meeting at the White House in 2017, US officials excluded. This comprised a vital asset who had to be withdrawn from service. He was not liable for prosecution because he was POTUS then, anyone else would have been crucified. This gives the FBI a modus operandi for Trump and his possible future actions if given the opportunity when he was not president.

 

God and Trump only know what he was still doing with a trove of classified information at Mar-a -Lago, even after he denied their existence. 

 

US assets all over the world must be shaking in their boots. What countries would want to ever give any intelligence to US now and in the future especially if Trump gets off scot-free.

 

Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador - The Washington Post

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[Bkk Brian]

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More than a third of the accounts Donald Trump has amplified on his Truth Social platform in the last month have promoted QAnon by sharing the movement's slogans, videos or imagery

 

On Tuesday, using his Truth Social platform, the Republican former president reposted an image of himself wearing a Q lapel pin overlaid with the words “The Storm is Coming.” In QAnon lore, the “storm” refers to Trump’s final victory, when supposedly he will regain power and his opponents will be tried, and potentially executed, on live television.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-government-and-politics-db50c6f709b1706886a876ae6ac298e2

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Both conspiracy and incitement to riot.

 

More than a third of the accounts Donald Trump has amplified on his Truth Social platform in the last month have promoted QAnon by sharing the movement's slogans, videos or imagery

 

On Tuesday, using his Truth Social platform, the Republican former president reposted an image of himself wearing a Q lapel pin overlaid with the words “The Storm is Coming.” In QAnon lore, the “storm” refers to Trump’s final victory, when supposedly he will regain power and his opponents will be tried, and potentially executed, on live television.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-government-and-politics-db50c6f709b1706886a876ae6ac298e2

On top of it, It's quite a ridiculous image!

 

The bone spurred storm! ????

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On 9/16/2022 at 2:02 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

If Political parties are using use of the law to stop opponents running in elections , they would be corrupting the democratic vote and one would hope that American citizens wouldn't accept that corruption .

   

Well, we do know as an actual fact of a certain President who actually asked a President of another country to do him a favor and announce a criminal investigation of the opponent who ultimately defeated him in an election. I'm sure you could never defend such a person.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

On top of it, It's quite a ridiculous image!

 

The bone spurred storm! ????

Is it just by accident, or does the Qanon patriot who made this image fancies particular face expressions? ????

[Scott]

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[candide]

On 9/17/2022 at 1:40 PM, candide said:

Is it just by accident, or does the Qanon patriot who made this image fancies particular face expressions? ????

Ahem...

Supporters Salute Trump at Ohio Rally

https://news.yahoo.com/supporters-salute-trump-ohio-rally-171644389.html

[Jingthing]

He knows he's going to be indicted. Probably multiple indictments from different places. So he's preparing his well armed militias to save him with violence and/or threats of violence. This is a fascist movement without any doubt. 

 

 

 

Trump under fire for QAnon display at Ohio rally: ‘He has gone completely insane’ | The Independent

Edited September 18, 2022 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Ahem...

Supporters Salute Trump at Ohio Rally

https://news.yahoo.com/supporters-salute-trump-ohio-rally-171644389.html

They're telling us what they are. There is no mystery. The question is will Americans have the will to stop them from going further.

 

Retired General Compares Trump's Ohio Rally to Hitler's 1936 Nazi Event (newsweek.com)

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Retired four-star U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey compared Donald Trump's Saturday night rally in Ohio to a rally held by Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party in 1936 in Nuremberg, Germany.

"Astonishing Trump language. The crowd is similar to a Nuremberg rally 1936. A lawless Trump in office in 2024 election would slide us into autocracy and deny our Constitutional safeguards

 

 

Electing the super MAGA election deniers in the midterms will be a sign they are not being stopped.