Special master appointed to review documents from Mar-a-Lago search; DOJ request to revive criminal probe rejected

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You implied he is not rational which IMO implies he is not intelligent.

Nonsense. Just because someone is deranged that doesn't mean they're unintellignet.

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, placeholder said:

Nonsense. Just because someone is deranged that doesn't mean they're unintellignet.

Serial killers are very intelligent as well, and god knows where the rest of the skeletons Trump may have hidden are.

[LarrySR]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You are a funny guy. In that commission report was a section on evidence of voter fraud and was “glaringly empty”. 

 

Well. Millions of his supporters believe him.

Are you saying they are stupid?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Serial killers are very intelligent as well, and god knows where the rest of the skeletons Trump may have hidden are.

Yep having a high IQ can be a curse......????

 

Trump Has the Highest IQ. He Says So Himself

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Ah - name-calling - all you got.

Looks like they are his former cabinet members who moved in and out, sort of like he was playing musical chairs.  To not be able and hold onto your cabinet members shows it might just be you and not them that are unable to get along.  Being President does not mean you do whatever you want, when you want and then when it does not go your way, blame others and then tweet about how bad someone was or is.  That in itself is far from acting Presidential in my book.

[Eric Loh]

19 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Well. Millions of his supporters believe him.

Are you saying they are stupid?

Absolutely not but they are stupidly loyal. Much difference. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Eric Loh
Wrong word

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12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Ah - name-calling - all you got.

Well, these are people who have had extensive personal face time with Trump to support their characterizations.

[KanchanaburiGuy]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yep having a high IQ can be a curse......????

 

Trump Has the Highest IQ. He Says So Himself

Interestingly, if you asked Donald Trump "What does having a high I.Q. mean?" he almost certainly couldn't tell you.

 

Oh, he might be able to mumble the words the initials stand for.......... (I.Q. = "Intelligence Quotient")........... or he might say something incorrect like "It means you're smart!"

 

But in all fairness to Donald Trump, it's been my experience that fewer than 5% of the people I've come across talking about "I.Q.s"............. or "High I.Q.s"...............has the first clue what I.Q. actually describes-------what it actually MEANS! Lol

 

(HINT: It doesn't mean a person is "smart" or "intelligent!")

 

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(I must confess, because of my overall disgust of Donald Trump as both a Leader and a Human Being, I'm tempted to suggest redefining "I.Q." as "Ineptitude Quotient."  In that case, of course, I'd be more than happy to score him in the topmost tier! *wink* Ah, but that's just me being catty!....... )

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

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3 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Interestingly, if you asked Donald Trump "What does having a high I.Q. mean?" he almost certainly couldn't tell you.

 

Oh, he might be able to mumble the words the initials stand for.......... (I.Q. = "Intelligence Quotient")........... or he might say something incorrect like "It means you're smart!"

 

But in all fairness to Donald Trump, it's been my experience that fewer than 5% of the people I've come across talking about "I.Q.s"............. or "High I.Q.s"...............has the first clue what I.Q. actually describes-------what it actually MEANS! Lol

 

(HINT: It doesn't mean a person is "smart" or "intelligent!")

 

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(I must confess, because of my overall disgust of Donald Trump as both a Leader and a Human Being, I'm tempted to suggest redefining "I.Q." as "Ineptitude Quotient."  In that case, of course, I'd be more than happy to score him in the topmost tier! *wink* Ah, but that's just catty 'ol me!....... )

 

 

Here's a definition from the American Psychological Association:

IQ

intelligence quotient: a standard measure of an individual’s intelligence level based on psychological tests. 

https://dictionary.apa.org/iq

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There's a report in Axios that claims to have unearthed the reason that the Trump team nominated Raymond Dearie to be the Special Master. This was considered surprising since Dearie is pretty much universally acknowledged to be an excellent, fair-minded jurist. Apparently, they believe that because he served on the FISA court he's open to being sceptical of the FBI. He is one of the judges who approved the surveillance of Carter Page which later turned out to be based on faulty grounds.

So, I guess when he mostly rules against Trump, that will give them the option of calling him biased because of that approval.

Anyway, here's a link to the article:

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/18/trump-special-master-dearie-fbi-skeptic

[candide]

54 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's a report in Axios that claims to have unearthed the reason that the Trump team nominated Raymond Dearie to be the Special Master. This was considered surprising since Dearie is pretty much universally acknowledged to be an excellent, fair-minded jurist. Apparently, they believe that because he served on the FISA court he's open to being sceptical of the FBI. He is one of the judges who approved the surveillance of Carter Page which later turned out to be based on faulty grounds.

So, I guess when he mostly rules against Trump, that will give them the option of calling him biased because of that approval.

Anyway, here's a link to the article:

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/18/trump-special-master-dearie-fbi-skeptic

Considering how the DOJ rushed to accept him, Trump team may well be disappointed.

[DezLez]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You implied he is not rational which IMO implies he is not intelligent.

IMO you should understand the difference, if that is, you have both the the intelligence and rational to do so!

Opinion | The Difference Between Rationality and Intelligence - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

[stevenl]

Apparently Trump is not happy with the special master:

The master is moving too fast, he has asked to disclose specific information regarding declassification to the court and opposing counsel plus he has asked why legal briefs shouldn't be brought before judge Reinhart.

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Apparently Trump is not happy with the special master:

The master is moving too fast, he has asked to disclose specific information regarding declassification to the court and opposing counsel plus he has asked why legal briefs shouldn't be brought before judge Reinhart.

Yep read that on twitter.......Trumps request for Special Master looks to be back firing on him.

 

JUST IN: Special Master Dearie has asked Trump's team for declarations about any actions he's taken to declassify material. Trump's team says i n a filing tonight that it is resisting that request — because it could be a defense to any criminal charges.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.97.0.pdf

 

So the Special Master Trump is paying for, wants a clarification as to whether or not the classified documents were unclassified (when and how).

 

Time to “Put Up, or Shut Up”

 

Checkmate

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Apparently Trump is not happy with the special master:

The master is moving too fast, he has asked to disclose specific information regarding declassification to the court and opposing counsel plus he has asked why legal briefs shouldn't be brought before judge Reinhart.

He has two objectives, delay the proceedings and try to discover what evidence the DOJ has against him.

 

 

[LosLobo]

Trump Was Warned Late Last Year of Potential Legal Peril Over Documents.

 

Another witness for the prosecution against plaintiff citizen Trump!

 

"A former White House lawyer sought to impress on him the need to return material he had taken with him upon leaving office."

 

"In January, not long after the discussion with Mr. Herschmann, Mr. Trump turned over to the National Archives 15 boxes of material he had taken with him from the White House. Those boxes turned out to contain 184 classified documents, the Justice Department has said".

 

Trump Was Warned Late Last Year of Potential Legal Peril Over Documents - The New York Times (archive.org)

[xylophone]

56 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump Was Warned Late Last Year of Potential Legal Peril Over Documents.

 

Another witness for the prosecution against plaintiff citizen Trump!

 

"A former White House lawyer sought to impress on him the need to return material he had taken with him upon leaving office."

 

"In January, not long after the discussion with Mr. Herschmann, Mr. Trump turned over to the National Archives 15 boxes of material he had taken with him from the White House. Those boxes turned out to contain 184 classified documents, the Justice Department has said".

 

Trump Was Warned Late Last Year of Potential Legal Peril Over Documents - The New York Times (archive.org)

I am trying to follow this fiasco, but there seems to be some conflicting information around the place, and from what I have just ascertained from your post is the fact that 15 boxes, some containing classified documents, were turned over by trump to the National Archives, in January.

 

So did trump still have more boxes at MAL, about which he lied (or his lawyer lied) and which are considered "classified documents"?
 

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1 minute ago, xylophone said:

I am trying to follow this fiasco, but there seems to be some conflicting information around the place, and from what I have just ascertained from your post is the fact that 15 boxes, some containing classified documents, were turned over by trump to the National Archives, in January.

 

So did trump still have more boxes at MAL, about which he lied (or his lawyer lied) and which are considered "classified documents"?
 

Yes. That is exactly correct.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I am trying to follow this fiasco, but there seems to be some conflicting information around the place, and from what I have just ascertained from your post is the fact that 15 boxes, some containing classified documents, were turned over by trump to the National Archives, in January.

 

So did trump still have more boxes at MAL, about which he lied (or his lawyer lied) and which are considered "classified documents"?
 

Good timeline here

https://web.archive.org/web/20220827011535/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documents-search-timeline.html

[LosLobo]

20 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I am trying to follow this fiasco, but there seems to be some conflicting information around the place, and from what I have just ascertained from your post is the fact that 15 boxes, some containing classified documents, were turned over by trump to the National Archives, in January.

 

So did trump still have more boxes at MAL, about which he lied (or his lawyer lied) and which are considered "classified documents"?
 

Timeline of the Trump Documents Inquiry (voanews.com)

 

Snap!

Edited September 20, 2022 by LosLobo

[xylophone]

Many thanks to @LosLobo, @Bkk Brian and @placeholder

for the links and information, and I particularly liked the one from @Bkk Brian as the layout/timeline makes it easy to read and understand.

 

Now I'm up to speed, so thank you gentlemen. And from what I can see, the trump supporters here don't have a leg to stand on, because it's there in plain black-and-white and includes and involves trump and his entourage at every step of the way.

Edited September 20, 2022 by xylophone

[ThailandRyan]

26 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Many thanks to @LosLobo, @Bkk Brian and @placeholder

for the links and information, and I particularly liked the one from @Bkk Brian as the layout/timeline makes it easy to read and understand.

 

Now I'm up to speed, so thank you gentlemen. And from what I can see, the trump supporters here don't have a leg to stand on, because it's there in plain black-and-white and includes and involves trump and his entourage at every step of the way.

The thing is that this mess is all Trumps making. He had the ability to keep his rear end out of the fire, but Trump in his own hedonistic ways wants to play the victim and continue with the charade that everyone is out to get him.  His own lovely and deliciously created royal mess, no one else's.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/trump-dearie-special-master/

 

In Monday’s filing, Trump’s lawyers wrote that they don’t want Dearie to force Trump to “fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment without such a requirement being evident in the District Court’s order” — a remarkable statement that acknowledges at least the possibility that the former president or his aides could be criminally charged.

Edited September 20, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[LosLobo]

18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The thing is that this mess is all Trumps making. He had the ability to keep his rear end out of the fire, but Trump in his own hedonistic ways wants to play the victim and continue with the charade that everyone is out to get him.  His own lovely and deliciously created royal mess, no one else's.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/trump-dearie-special-master/

 

In Monday’s filing, Trump’s lawyers wrote that they don’t want Dearie to force Trump to “fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment without such a requirement being evident in the District Court’s order” — a remarkable statement that acknowledges at least the possibility that the former president or his aides could be criminally charged.

Your post has a subscription paywall....

 

Trump lawyers acknowledge Mar-a-Lago probe could lead to indictment - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

[tilaceer]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Your post has a subscription paywall....

 

Trump lawyers acknowledge Mar-a-Lago probe could lead to indictment - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

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[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Your post has a subscription paywall....

 

Trump lawyers acknowledge Mar-a-Lago probe could lead to indictment - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

Sorry, but I did post a section which says much about how his attorneys feel.

 

So many other links will give you the same Info.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11229633/amp/Donald-Trumps-lawyers-acknowledge-possibility-criminal-charges-new-court-filing.html&ved=2ahUKEwi07pep8aL6AhUkIDQIHbe3DPIQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1QEsFHOeD067WyLSd_-TvW

Edited September 20, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[LosLobo]

7 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

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Thanks...but I only have Windows Edge.

 

I have been using a cached version from Google search

 

But now I found a better way from Edge : Ctrl-Shift-N which opens an incognito window.

 

 

[bendejo]

On 9/19/2022 at 12:12 AM, placeholder said:

Nonsense. Just because someone is deranged that doesn't mean they're unintellignet.

This is the message delivered by every James Bond villain.

 

Someone should ask DT, off the cuff, if his IQ is over 300.  Be sure to be sitting down when he gives his answer.

 

 

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, tilaceer said:

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I use it too, it works wonders.

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

Ouch is all I can say. Truth be told it is going to be a rough rude for TRrump and his supporters.

 

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna48606?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16637177934037&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fjustice-department%2Fspecial-master-mar-lago-case-appears-skeptical-trump-declassification-rcna48606

 

Let's not belittle the fact that we are dealing with at least potentially legitimately classified information. The government has a very strong obligation, as do all of us, to see to it that that information doesn't get in the wrong hands," said Dearie, a former judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court whom President Ronald Reagan appointed to the New York federal court."

Edited September 21, 2022 by Scott

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Ouch is all I can say. Truth be told it is going to be a rough rude for Rrump and his supporters.

 

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna48606?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16637177934037&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fjustice-department%2Fspecial-master-mar-lago-case-appears-skeptical-trump-declassification-rcna48606

 

Let's not belittle the fact that we are dealing with at least potentially legitimately classified information. The government has a very strong obligation, as do all of us, to see to it that that information doesn't get in the wrong hands," said Dearie, a former judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court whom President Ronald Reagan appointed to the New York federal court."

Yep, time for Trump put up or shut up, new thread on it here