The surprising details behind DeSantis’ and Abbott’s immigration stunts

[Scott]

 

Republican governors are in a cynical competition to outdo each other and send migrants from the US border by bus to New York, Washington, DC, Chicago and, now, by plane to Martha’s Vineyard.

Two unannounced planes carrying an estimated 50 migrants landed in the wealthy seaside enclave of Massachusetts on Wednesday night, surprising locals.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis claimed credit for the stunt, which took the migrants from Texas, not Florida, and left them without planning on the street.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/migrant-buses-desantis-abbott-what-matters/index.html

[Hanaguma]

Considering that the Biden administration has sent SEVENTY planeloads of the undocumented to Florida this year, a return of 2 seems reasonable to me. 

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On 9/16/2022 at 9:02 AM, Hanaguma said:

Considering that the Biden administration has sent SEVENTY planeloads of the undocumented to Florida this year, a return of 2 seems reasonable to me. 

Misleading much?

"Florida officials were aware that Jacksonville, which is along Interstate 95, was being used as a staging area for the migrants, who were taken by bus to locations up and down the coast, the report said."

https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/desantis-office-claims-border-officials-secretly-sent-70-planes-of-migrants-to-florida/

 

This is like saying someone is taking a vacation in Japan because they switch planes in Tokyo on the way to Thailand.

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[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Considering that the Biden administration has sent SEVENTY planeloads of the undocumented to Florida this year, a return of 2 seems reasonable to me. 

News was reported by De Santis office last year. Not verified by any agencies. You may be a victim of a hoax political stunt. 

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

News was reported by De Santis office last year. Not verified by any agencies. You may be a victim of a hoax political stunt. 

No hoax. The flights are a reality and have happened in many communities throughout the country.

 

"Up and down the coast" is a very vague term. Could mean the coast of Florida. Perhaps a bit of Georgia, certainly not farther than that. Otherwise, other airports would be closer. The fact is that the flights were so secretive, arrived under cover of darkness. If only the federal government would be honest and truthful about them, we wouldn't have to speculate so much.  Yet requests for information are ignored...

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On 9/16/2022 at 9:12 AM, placeholder said:

Misleading much?

"Florida officials were aware that Jacksonville, which is along Interstate 95, was being used as a staging area for the migrants, who were taken by bus to locations up and down the coast, the report said."

https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/desantis-office-claims-border-officials-secretly-sent-70-planes-of-migrants-to-florida/

 

This is like saying someone is taking a vacation in Japan because they switch planes in Tokyo on the way to Thailand.

 

On 9/16/2022 at 9:24 AM, Hanaguma said:

No hoax. The flights are a reality and have happened in many communities throughout the country.

 

"Up and down the coast" is a very vague term. Could mean the coast of Florida. Perhaps a bit of Georgia, certainly not farther than that. Otherwise, other airports would be closer. The fact is that the flights were so secretive, arrived under cover of darkness. If only the federal government would be honest and truthful about them, we wouldn't have to speculate so much.  Yet requests for information are ignored...

It may be a hoaz or it may not be. But the fact is that Florida wasn't the final destination booked for these asylum seekers. Unlike those from Texas. 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

It may be a hoaz or it may not be. But the fact is that Florida wasn't the final destination booked for these asylum seekers. Unlike those from Texas. 

You don't know that.  

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It would also be interesting to determine where the funding for this stunt is coming from. The migrants sent to Martha's Vineyard were from Texas. Yet Desantis is responsible for sending them. Did he use Florida govt funds to pay for this? If so, is this a legitimate use of taxpayer's money?

[placeholder]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

You don't know that.  

Unlike you, I cited an actual source for the news that said precisely that.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Unlike you, I cited an actual source for the news that said precisely that.

Your source said they were taken up and down the coast. Perhaps you aren't too familiar with American geography, but "down the coast" from Jacksonville is 100% state of Florida. Up the coast is still Florida, but borders with Georgia as well. At least one of them stayed in Florida though- the one who murdered a shop owner in Jacksonville.

[Eric Loh]

26 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

No hoax. The flights are a reality and have happened in many communities throughout the country.

 

"Up and down the coast" is a very vague term. Could mean the coast of Florida. Perhaps a bit of Georgia, certainly not farther than that. Otherwise, other airports would be closer. The fact is that the flights were so secretive, arrived under cover of darkness. If only the federal government would be honest and truthful about them, we wouldn't have to speculate so much.  Yet requests for information are ignored...

What I meant by hoax was that De Santis was disingenuous about the fact and engaged in hookwinking the public. Firstly, the flights were routine and for underage immigrants detained at the border and transporting them to special children's shelters or to meet sponsors around the country.  Biden administration brief the Florida governor's office about the flights and his press secretary Christine Pushaw confirmed knowledge of the flights. 

 

De Santis claimed flights came in the night but didn't explained that late-night arrivals were due to travel logistics, including the length of the flights from Texas and other stops they had to make on the way. Most flights came in the day.

 

I still think that you are a victim of De Santis's political hoax. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/desantis-florida-republicans-routine-migrant-flights-immigration/index.html

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

What I meant by hoax was that De Santis was disingenuous about the fact and engaged in hookwinking the public. Firstly, the flights were routine and for underage immigrants detained at the border and transporting them to special children's shelters or to meet sponsors around the country.  Biden administration brief the Florida governor's office about the flights and his press secretary Christine Pushaw confirmed knowledge of the flights. 

 

De Santis claimed flights came in the night but didn't explained that late-night arrivals were due to travel logistics, including the length of the flights from Texas and other stops they had to make on the way. Most flights came in the day.

 

I still think that you are a victim of De Santis's political hoax. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/desantis-florida-republicans-routine-migrant-flights-immigration/index.html

Travel logistics?  Please. Dallas to Jacksonville is 2 hours 20 minutes.  Plus one of the "children" was actually a 24 year old who is now accused of murder.

 

As for "being informed", your article quotes Pushaw as stating;

 

“We were not apprised of the plans for vetting and transporting migrants after July. We requested transparency moving forward and were told flight information would be shared, but additional information was never provided,”

 

CNN has been carrying water for Biden since before the election. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

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On 9/16/2022 at 9:41 AM, Hanaguma said:

Your source said they were taken up and down the coast. Perhaps you aren't too familiar with American geography, but "down the coast" from Jacksonville is 100% state of Florida. Up the coast is still Florida, but borders with Georgia as well. At least one of them stayed in Florida though- the one who murdered a shop owner in Jacksonville.

Here is what you wrote originally:

"Considering that the Biden administration has sent SEVENTY planeloads of the undocumented to Florida this year, a return of 2 seems reasonable to me. "

So you cited a thinly and dubiously sourced story as a fact.

Second, your claim was misleading since it made no mention of the fact that Jacksonville was a staging area and it's not known what the final destinations of all these passengers was. 

 

[Eric Loh]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Travel logistics?  Please. Dallas to Jacksonville is 2 hours 20 minutes.  Plus one of the "children" was actually a 24 year old who is now accused of murder.

 

As for "being informed", your article quotes Pushaw as stating;

 

“We were not apprised of the plans for vetting and transporting migrants after July. We requested transparency moving forward and were told flight information would be shared, but additional information was never provided,”

 

CNN has been carrying water for Biden since before the election. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

Predictable reply. All your information were not verified even the 24 years old man being in the batch of children flown in to Jacksonville. All those accusation was from De Santis's mouth and even his Sr. Poiicy Advisor Larry Keefe didn't know where De Santis got his information. 

[Hanaguma]

On 9/16/2022 at 10:19 AM, placeholder said:

Here is what you wrote originally:

"Considering that the Biden administration has sent SEVENTY planeloads of the undocumented to Florida this year, a return of 2 seems reasonable to me. "

So you cited a thinly and dubiously sourced story as a fact.

Second, your claim was misleading since it made no mention of the fact that Jacksonville was a staging area and it's not known what the final destinations of all these passengers was. 

 

Nobody is disputing the numbers. 

 

As for those being transported, where do YOU think they went? South of Jax is only Florida.

 

They certainly didn't go to Martha's VIneyard.

[KhunLA]

That they allow unvetted immigrants in at all is mind boggling.  I agree, they should be shipped to the states of the politicians that voted to do so.

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Nobody is disputing the numbers. 

 

As for those being transported, where do YOU think they went? South of Jax is only Florida.

 

They certainly didn't go to Martha's VIneyard.

What do you mean nobody is disputing the numbers?

All stayed in Florida? Most? Many? Some? What does up and down the coast mean? The center of jacksonville is about 32 miles from Georgia.

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That they allow unvetted immigrants in at all is mind boggling.  I agree, they should be shipped to the states of the politicians that voted to do so.

Who is allowing unvetted migrants to enter? There is no open border policy. Please enlighten. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Eric Loh
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[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Who is allowing unvetted migrants to enter? There is no open border policy. Please enlighten. 

Are you actually asking a MAGA supporter to 'enlighten' you??????

[KhunLA]

18 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Are you actually asking a MAGA supporter to 'enlighten' you??????

MAGA supporter ?

Don't have to tell folks to 'MAGA', it is, and always was. Why so many want to be there.

Don't have to tell people to "Build Back Better" ... who builds back worse.

 

A billionaire ... MAGA ... wasn't it great enough for you already.

Career politician ... BBB ... why, did you screw it up the decades you were in office.

 

Salespeople and their pitches ... even sheep aren't that dumb, or are they.

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1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

MAGA supporter ?

Don't have to tell folks to 'MAGA', it is, and always was. Why so many want to be there.

Don't have to tell people to "Build Back Better" ... who builds back worse.

 

A billionaire ... MAGA ... wasn't it great enough for you already.

Career politician ... BBB ... why, did you screw it up the decades you were in office.

 

Salespeople and their pitches ... even sheep aren't that dumb, or are they.

Well, yours is one way to not providing proof for your characterization of these migrants as "unvetted". You're not better at answering questions directly than the politicians you criticize..

[heybruce]

DeSantis is fond of staging political stunts that will improve his chances in 2014, always at the expense of Florida's taxpayers.

 

If DeSantis were genuinely concerned about illlegal immigrants entering Florida, he would actually enforce laws making it a crime to hire them:

 

"Despite Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ so-called commitment to crack down on the hiring of illegal aliens in Florida, a Department of Economic Opportunity (DEO) spokeswoman told the Orlando Sentinel that no enforcement measures have been taken against any employers since the bill took effect on January 1, 2021."

 

"An earlier version of the bill would have allowed DEO to randomly audit businesses to check for compliance and impose $500 fines. However, those measures were removed under pressure from big business lobbies before it was passed."  https://www.immigrationreform.com/2021/06/17/florida-everify-law-proves-bad-immigrationreform-com/

 

Meaningless stunts against illegal immigrants are good politics.  Hiring Illegal immigrants is good business.  DeSantis wants it both ways.

[LarrySR]

 

[bendejo]

Is it being called human trafficking yet?

 

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Is it being called human trafficking yet?

 

 

But of course, the liberal media is marinating in ecstatic paroxysms of righteous rage.

 

Anyway, looks like the Vineyard people were able to send the unwanted brown folks on their way within 48 hours.  Nowhere to stay on the island, you know. No facilities. It is a wonder that ANYONE manages to eke out an existence in such a foresaken place. 

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12 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

But of course, the liberal media is marinating in ecstatic paroxysms of righteous rage.

 

Anyway, looks like the Vineyard people were able to send the unwanted brown folks on their way within 48 hours.  Nowhere to stay on the island, you know. No facilities. It is a wonder that ANYONE manages to eke out an existence in such a foresaken place. 

It's a vacation destination that greatly slows down after Labor Day and pretty much closes down for the winter. You don't know that? Actually, the locals were very welcoming to the migrants. You think the migrants want to stay long term on a small island with very limited resources?

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's a vacation destination that greatly slows down after Labor Day and pretty much closes down for the winter. You don't know that? Actually, the locals were very welcoming to the migrants. You think the migrants want to stay long term on a small island with very limited resources?

It is, which means there are myriad housing possibilities for the migrants.  15,000 year round residents which of course swells in the summer.  The locals were very welcoming indeed, agreeing to help the Venezualans OUT....of their town.  Fifty visitors should be a snap.  Small towns in Texas and Arizona get hundreds every day. 

 

According to the signs everywhere on the island, they "stand with refugees and immigrants"... as long as they don't have to live together. 

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1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

It is, which means there are myriad housing possibilities for the migrants.  15,000 year round residents which of course swells in the summer.  The locals were very welcoming indeed, agreeing to help the Venezualans OUT....of their town.  Fifty visitors should be a snap.  Small towns in Texas and Arizona get hundreds every day. 

 

According to the signs everywhere on the island, they "stand with refugees and immigrants"... as long as they don't have to live together. 

Please share with us the evidence that it was the people on the island who wanted the migrants off and not the federal government. I'm sure you wouldn't make such a claim without evidence to back it up. I look forward to your presentation eagerly.

[Bkk Brian]

Trump spitting his dummy out again.................????

 

Trump Fumes: DeSantis Stole My Plan for Shipping Migrants

 

Trump has fumed over all the praise DeSantis’ action has been receiving in influential conservative circles lately — such as on right-wing media like Fox News — and has privately accused DeSantis of doing this largely to generate a 2024 polling boost for himself among GOP voters.

 

In a manic posting spree, Trump shared a series of articles in quick succession teasing his 2024 plans (“Why Trump Will Run Again” and “Trump is Running”) while sharing pieces that credit himself following the Martha’s Vineyard stunt (“Libs dumped with illegal immigrants discover the merits of Trump’s ‘safe third country’ deals”) and a warning to DeSantis to back off (“Running against Trump is more of a risk for DeSantis than peaking too soon’).

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marthas-vineyard-migrants-trump-desantis-mad-1234595332/

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/17/2022 at 9:45 PM, Hanaguma said:

It is, which means there are myriad housing possibilities for the migrants.  15,000 year round residents which of course swells in the summer.  The locals were very welcoming indeed, agreeing to help the Venezualans OUT....of their town.  Fifty visitors should be a snap.  Small towns in Texas and Arizona get hundreds every day. 

 

According to the signs everywhere on the island, they "stand with refugees and immigrants"... as long as they don't have to live together. 

Oh the joy at seeing the hypocrisy writ large!

They really don't like having a tiny part of the uninvited immigrants that cross the border being in THEIR areas.

I especially enjoyed the spectacle of them being dropped outside Kamala Harris's residence.

Go Desantis, go. You're the man for '24!

Edited September 19, 2022 by thaibeachlovers