Drugs to be an election issue as Anutin digs in insisting that attitudes must change on cannabis

[kiteman9]

6 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

 

 

Cannabis affects some minds by changing their consciousness. In doing so, parts of the brain’s memory capacity are reduced to make room for a more higher sense of being. Impaired judgment and logic can be looked at as thinking outside of the box. Einstein believed in a higher sense of being, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it"

[Thingamabob]

8 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

 

Do as you will with giving people the option to choose for themselves, but let's hope no one tries to misrepresent as healthful the smoking of marijuana.

 

The drug's "bad image" is well deserved.

.....in which case cigarettes and alcohol should be banned.

[spidermike007]

If the Thai people act rationally, sensibly and if the election is fair, I doubt anyone associated with the current party would get more than 5% of the votes. Anutin is toxic and should be the last person in the world, chosen to lead Thailand. 

[Taboo2]

8 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

 

Do as you will with giving people the option to choose for themselves, but let's hope no one tries to misrepresent as healthful the smoking of marijuana.

 

The drug's "bad image" is well deserved.

Smoking weed has been around for thousands of years.  It is safer than sucking down alcohol, which is the worst drug on the planet.  I have never, ever seen a fight in a bar that was caused by smoking weed.  I have seen and witnessed numerous humans killing each other over alcohol related issues.  I will encourage everyone who wants to smoke weed, to please do it...you will think differently and enjoy life and eat a lot of chocolate chip cookies!

[Taboo2]

6 hours ago, 2baht said:

If it does'nt, you've been ripped off! ????

You win....GREAT response!!!!!

 

5555555

[Jerno]

3 hours ago, robertson468 said:

Due to smoking cannabis my Grandson developed bi-polar mental illness, which if he does not take his prescribed medication regularly, comes back to haunt him and he gets sectioned in a hospital.  There are different strengths of cannabis and sadly few people are aware of this and that contrary to what this person has written, it can have a detrimental effect on some people, which can be very long lasting.  Further research needs to be done on this drug before Governments give it the blessing for consumption by everyone.

Oh please.  Canada's had legalization for 3 years now and society has not fallen apart, nor scores of people suddenly developing other medical issues.  Netherlands legalization for decades.  Check their research.

[Dominus]

A shining light of common sense and decency to the world and a massive boost to the Thai economy and allows the police to concentrate on real crime. Very impressive the way dope isnt being smoked publicly compared to Europe where its illegal. In England the streets stink of skunk even near schools and public housing.

God Bless Anutin!

[PETERTHEEATER]

10 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

What was that you said?

[kingstonkid]

4 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

So could you please point out the difference between alcohol & cannabis? Alcohol is freely available & everyone knows teens can purchase it easily, add to this the fact that items like white spirits some of which maybe illicit with little or no regulation on sales. I do agree that there does need to be regulations regarding sale to underage children purchasing cannabis the same as cigarettes, & alcohol but as we all know in Thailand these regulations are not always adhered to.

As we know in most countries the rules are not adhered to.  At least if you have rules on who can sell where they can sell and who they can sell to it is easier to control and make the tax dollars from.. Also right now there is nothing stopping kids from dealing at schools

 

The fact that the police here do nothing is an issue but there again has to be some sort of law. There has to be some way of stopping Johnny from becoming a pt head.  There are enough drunk Thai teens we do not need drunk and stoned Thai teens

[bobbin]

4 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

As we know in most countries the rules are not adhered to.  At least if you have rules on who can sell where they can sell and who they can sell to it is easier to control and make the tax dollars from.. Also right now there is nothing stopping kids from dealing at schools

 

The fact that the police here do nothing is an issue but there again has to be some sort of law. There has to be some way of stopping Johnny from becoming a pt head.  There are enough drunk Thai teens we do not need drunk and stoned Thai teens

 

There will be some regulation, and I hope also VAT revenue for the government. These are reasonable expectations...

 

But why does there have to be a way to stop Johnny from becoming a pt(sic) head? We know well the problems of alcohol and teens are susceptible because they are beginning to shape their adult selves. Personally, I hope that many Thai teens discover that cannabis is a good alternative to alcohol. Difficult yes, because with the exception of the Islamic nations, alcohol use is rampant everywhere in the world.. often accompanied by known social problems that brings..

 

Disclaimer: I realize that cannabis is/will be officially restricted to 20 years and older. But..

[Dominus]

9 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Smoking weed has been around for thousands of years.  It is safer than sucking down alcohol, which is the worst drug on the planet.  I have never, ever seen a fight in a bar that was caused by smoking weed.  I have seen and witnessed numerous humans killing each other over alcohol related issues.  I will encourage everyone who wants to smoke weed, to please do it...you will think differently and enjoy life and eat a lot of chocolate chip cookies!

Its been around for year and in moderation there is no evidence that it is harmful. But like anything from coffee to jogging if done to excess it migh tbe harmful but so is water! Canabis like all drugs should be just gently controlled but not punitively.  There is evidence to suggest it might help with insomina, be a mediatation aid, help with relaxation etc. The banning of cannabis like the war on drugs a dreadful american influence based on corruption including the defence of the tobacco and alcohol industry and the Puritan heritage that runs through Ameirica. Legalisation has  economic benefits that are enormous too.

[jonclark]

5 hours ago, robertson468 said:

Due to smoking cannabis my Grandson developed bi-polar mental illness, which if he does not take his prescribed medication regularly, comes back to haunt him and he gets sectioned in a hospital.  There are different strengths of cannabis and sadly few people are aware of this and that contrary to what this person has written, it can have a detrimental effect on some people, which can be very long lasting.  Further research needs to be done on this drug before Governments give it the blessing for consumption by everyone.

Whilst I sympathize with your grandson, I would like to ask that if your grandson had developed diabetes from drinking Fanta or obesity from eating too much junk food would you likewise be calling for greater regulation of those products. Obesity, cardiovascular and diabetes are far greater threats to the health of the young and their development and longevity, than having a few joints.

 

Obviously teenagers are curious and will try drugs or alcohol or smoking. It's part of being a teenager.  Cannabis will be the same. Young kids will want to mimic their elders. So obviously clear, enforced guidance and legislation is required to form some protection whilst also going hand in glove with improved education in Thai schools so teenagers can make informed choices and decisions. Even in liberal societies the majority of teenagers choose to not take drugs.

 

For me personally as someone who doesn't smoke or drink I just don't buy into the arguements that decriminalisation of cannabis will led to significant social or health issues. It's a weak arguement when you consider the range of synthetic chemicals, air and water pollutants and sugars and fats which we consume everyday. The latter pair are actively advertised and endorsed to get people to consume more.

 

Likewise the politicians who play on people's fears and predict the end of Thai society are just opportunistic and scaremongering.

 

In the 80s it was video games and video nasties that would corrupt the youth and lead to social decay. It didn't. In the 90s it was rave culture and ecstasy, got through that okay. 

 

I respect your points and sympathize with your grandson. 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, robertson468 said:

Due to smoking cannabis my Grandson developed bi-polar mental illness

What sort of doctor concluded that? How much did he smoke for how long? Where did he buy his cannabis? Did the doctor say in what percentage of users this happens?

Edited September 19, 2022 by FritsSikkink

[MrMuddle]

12 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

 

Do as you will with giving people the option to choose for themselves, but let's hope no one tries to misrepresent as healthful the smoking of marijuana.

 

The drug's "bad image" is well deserved.

You might be asian at heart, but your brain is from a planet somewhere  in the 1930s!
Absolute unqualified rubbish from start to finish. Did you write this while propped up on a barstool?

Edited September 19, 2022 by MrMuddle

[Dominus]

8 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

As we know in most countries the rules are not adhered to.  At least if you have rules on who can sell where they can sell and who they can sell to it is easier to control and make the tax dollars from.. Also right now there is nothing stopping kids from dealing at schools

 

The fact that the police here do nothing is an issue but there again has to be some sort of law. There has to be some way of stopping Johnny from becoming a pt head.  There are enough drunk Thai teens we do not need drunk and stoned Thai teens

Of course kids cant deal at schools!

[Dominus]

9 hours ago, Jerno said:

Oh please.  Canada's had legalization for 3 years now and society has not fallen apart, nor scores of people suddenly developing other medical issues.  Netherlands legalization for decades.  Check their research.

And Malta and Portugal

[MrMuddle]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

If the Thai people act rationally, sensibly and if the election is fair, I doubt anyone associated with the current party would get more than 5% of the votes. Anutin is toxic and should be the last person in the world, chosen to lead Thailand. 

That's what they said about Nixon, Trump, George Dubya Bush, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss...in their countries!
Need I go on?  lol

[MrMuddle]

5 hours ago, kiteman9 said:

Cannabis affects some minds by changing their consciousness. In doing so, parts of the brain’s memory capacity are reduced to make room for a more higher sense of being. Impaired judgment and logic can be looked at as thinking outside of the box. Einstein believed in a higher sense of being, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it"

Absolute rubbish, from start to finish. Where do you get off with this ridiculous scaremongering? Have the bars opened early today?  

[Dominus]

8 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

As we know in most countries the rules are not adhered to.  At least if you have rules on who can sell where they can sell and who they can sell to it is easier to control and make the tax dollars from.. Also right now there is nothing stopping kids from dealing at schools

 

The fact that the police here do nothing is an issue but there again has to be some sort of law. There has to be some way of stopping Johnny from becoming a pt head.  There are enough drunk Thai teens we do not need drunk and stoned Thai teens

As we know in most countries the rules are not adhered to.  Not true in many countries people are punished harshly and even in liberal countries people are punished selectively including UK where possesion is punishable by 7 years prison. In the USA black people are  disproportionately imprisoned

 

At least if you have rules on who can sell where they can sell and who they can sell to it is easier to control and make the tax dollars from.. Also right now there is nothing stopping kids from dealing at schools. Of course there are many laws to stop kids dealing in schools.

 

The fact that the police here do nothing is an issue but there again has to be some sort of law. The police dont do nothing they are alway busting people for drugs

 

There has to be some way of stopping Johnny from becoming a pt head.  There are enough drunk Thai teens we do not need drunk and stoned Thai teens. This is an insulting and patronising comment. People of whatever race or age group can suffer from drug or alcohol abuse.

Virtually every sentiment expressed in your comments is incorrect or ill founded.

[Artisi]

13 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

 

Do as you will with giving people the option to choose for themselves, but let's hope no one tries to misrepresent as healthful the smoking of marijuana.

 

The drug's "bad image" is well deserved.

Your first paragraph seems to mirror the normal intelligence level already for the majority... 

[LukKrueng]

8 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

I have no issue with cannabis BUT I have an issue with the fact that anyone can sell it buy it or use it even kids.

 

An example is walking around NANA you can buy as much as you want more people are selling it and not really caring who they sell it to 

 

The problem with the legalization is that there are no rules no laws to regulate who and where it can be sold.

First of all, there are laws prohibiting sale and use by people under 20, pregnant and breast feeding women (although it would be hard to check these 2 points as I can't imagine women allow the sellers to squeeze their boobs before settling them...).

As for the fact that younger than 20 can get weed easily - that was also the case before it became legal, and goes the same for alcohol and tobacco products.

The good thing, in my opinion, is that since it's legal you can get better product and if they can get weed easily it might keep those kids away from the real bad drugs.

[Patanawet]

14 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind,

Are you speaking from personal experience? Or what was it that affected your mind?

[Dominus]

8 hours ago, Artisi said:

Your first paragraph seems to mirror the normal intelligence level already for the majority... 

No. It is a reflection of years of propagnda and lies. Whether or not the majority believe it or not is irrelevant after nearly a hundred years of lies and misinformation

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, kiteman9 said:

Cannabis affects some minds by changing their consciousness. In doing so, parts of the brain’s memory capacity are reduced to make room for a more higher sense of being. Impaired judgment and logic can be looked at as thinking outside of the box. Einstein believed in a higher sense of being, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it"

Likely the least scientific post of the day. Cannibis changed my consciousness. For the better. Made me far more open minded. So did LSD. And yes, it affected my memory and concentration. Just one of the reasons I gave it up. I doubt it was long term. 

 

Overall, cannabis is a relatively harmless drug, in moderation. Unless you count a loss of ambition to be a detriment. 

 

Is believing in a higher sense of being such a bad thing? 

[jacko45k]

21 hours ago, bobbin said:

Did you have a little bit of a brain fade when you posted? I ask because you included two statements, one of which can be put down to people who are new to edibles, and the other which directly contradicts the point you were trying to make.

Sorry you don't come across as too smart yourself. The jury being out means the decision is not made as to whether liberalizing the stuff was a good or bad move. The two points were in the same write up....  my 'point' was more a question.

Canada cannot even decide on it's language and is mostly wilderness. 

 

[bobbin]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

 

Canada cannot even decide on it's language and is mostly wilderness. 

 

Classy....

 

But I'm alright Jack.

 

Water. Duck. Back.

[connda]

Khun Anutin has my vote (too bad it doesn't count). 

[connda]

On 9/19/2022 at 4:23 AM, AsianAtHeart said:

Cannabis affects the mind, reducing memory capacity and impairing judgment and logic.  Some of these effects are permanent.

The exact same thing can be said for alcohol.  And yet? 

The divide between alcohol and cannabis is political and driven by profit.  If a few connected and selected corporations were assigned a monopoly by the Thai government for the distribution of recreational cannabis - there wouldn't be any problem.  The problem is its a free market and isn't controlled by corporate interests.

[AsianAtHeart]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

The exact same thing can be said for alcohol. 

To a point, perhaps.  But the mental impairments with alcohol are much less permanent, with the exception of memory.  Once sober, a drinker will still have possession of sound logic and judgment.  Marijuana disrupts one's reasoning abilities and its effects are more lasting.

[kingstonkid]

23 hours ago, Dominus said:

Of course kids cant deal at schools!

Why not it is not against the law.  Hell somchai can become a millionaire if he hurries