Nord Stream leaks: Sabotage to blame, says EU

[heybruce]

17 hours ago, internationalism said:

Yesterday's interwiew with Hersh by Alexander Zevin.

Some new details.

 

"And my perception is that they wanted to come up with options to forestall Putin and Russia. So this team was created and they asked themselves, Do we want to pursue a reversible or an irreversible course of action? Sanctions are reversible, whereas kinetic operations – attacks on infrastructure and the like – are not."

https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/how-to-blow-up-a-pipeline

 

Begins with "And my perception is...".

 

So it is opinion, not fact.

[samuttodd]

Thought you folks might be interested in this report.  

 

[heybruce]

45 minutes ago, samuttodd said:

Thought you folks might be interested in this report.  

 

Can you point us the the parts where hard evidence of sabotage by the US is provided?

[Bkk Brian]

53 minutes ago, samuttodd said:

Thought you folks might be interested in this report.  

 

Story time by Hersh..................

 

Its a pity you didn't bother to read the previous links that literally blows this piece of fake news out of the water

[internationalism]

as The Times magazine article is now under paywall, there is an article from yet another major british newspaper, which is even more detailed, than The Times one.

It was published already on 8th February, but only now start coming in search results. It was published 2h after The Times, with updates may hours later.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11727691/U-S-carried-Nord-Stream-bomb-attack-secret-plan-led-Joe-Biden-report-claims.html

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, internationalism said:

as The Times magazine article is now under paywall, there is an article from yet another major british newspaper, which is even more detailed, than The Times one.

It was published already on 8th February, but only now start coming in search results. It was published 2h after The Times, with updates may hours later.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11727691/U-S-carried-Nord-Stream-bomb-attack-secret-plan-led-Joe-Biden-report-claims.html

More Seymour Hersh claims, still no hard evidence.

[internationalism]

a recent interview with Hersh by Berlin based journalist Fabian Scheidler.

Some more new details

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-interview-nord-stream-pipeline

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, internationalism said:

a recent interview with Hersh by Berlin based journalist Fabian Scheidler.

Some more new details

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-interview-nord-stream-pipeline

I think I know the answer, but:

 

Do you anything other than Hersh's unsupported claims?

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, internationalism said:

a recent interview with Hersh by Berlin based journalist Fabian Scheidler.

Some more new details

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-interview-nord-stream-pipeline

Love this bit...........

 

"over the years, the stories I’ve written have always been accepted"

 

Hersh's Account of the Bin Laden Raid is Journalistic Malpractice

https://www.lawfareblog.com/hershs-account-bin-laden-raid-journalistic-malpractice

 

Hersh is also on the record as stating that the official version of the Skripal poisoning does not stand up to scrutiny. He tells me: “The story of novichok poisoning has not held up very well. He [Skripal] was most likely talking to British intelligence services about Russian organised crime.” The unfortunate turn of events with the contamination of other victims is suggestive, according to Hersh, of organised crime elements rather than state-sponsored actions – though this files in the face of the UK government's position.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/seymour-hersh-interview-novichok-russian-hacking-9-11-nerve-agent-attack-a8459596.html

 

Anyway this piece addresses his fictional account of the Nord Stream blasts:

 

OSINT picks holes in Seymour Hersh’s Nord Stream claims

Open-source analysts argue that the journalist's theory doesn't add up

https://unherd.com/thepost/osint-picks-holes-in-seymour-hershs-nord-stream-claims/

 

[internationalism]

Looks like yesterday's UN Security Council meeting has refused to set up an investigation under proposed lead by the UN General-Secretary.

Some argued, that because there are already other investigations completed or ongoing, there is no need for UN one.

UN Under-Secretary-General for Political and Peacebuilding “one thing is certain: whatever caused the incident, its fallout counts among the many risks the invasion of Ukraine has unleashed” - she connects ongoing war with killing nord stream.

She is not sure what caused this act of terror. Certainly she doesn't have a clue, who done it and most likely even doesn't want to know. Just an "incident".

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/02/1133752

[Bkk Brian]

I see the Russians had their best team on the job to further the conspiracy by Hersh...... 

 

A Mr Raymond McGovern bursting into song

 

 

‘Avoid Speculation’ About Responsibility for 2022 Nord Stream Pipeline Incident, Official Urges Security Council, Stressing United Nations Cannot Verify Claims

Also briefing today was Ray McGovern, a political activist, who said his remarks are in his personal capacity

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15206.doc.htm

[internationalism]

John Kirby from the US National Security Council gave an interview to Fox, deflects the second question whether if the US were to undertake mission like that would the white house had abligation to inform congress in advance.

He just repeats his answer to the first question, that US or it's allies don't have anything to do with blowing nord stream.

He is picked on this by some journalists from publication The Hill. They also have plan to invite Hersh for interview 

 

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, internationalism said:

John Kirby from the US National Security Council gave an interview to Fox, deflects the second question whether if the US were to undertake mission like that would the white house had abligation to inform congress in advance.

He just repeats his answer to the first question, that US or it's allies don't have anything to do with blowing nord stream.

He is picked on this by some journalists from publication The Hill. They also have plan to invite Hersh for interview 

 

Haven't you figured out that nobody is buying the conspiracy theory you're selling?

 

Come back when you have real evidence.

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Haven't you figured out that nobody is buying the conspiracy theory you're selling?

 

Come back when you have real evidence.

If it was "highly likely" it could be salable.  Then, come back... 

[internationalism]

it transpires, that 3 investigating countries send a joint letter to the UN security council before it's meeting on nord stream.

Investigations are still ongoing. Russian authorities are informed.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-investigations-by-denmark-sweden-germany-are-ongoing-2023-02-21/

 

yesterday's article - nord stream to be sealed and coated inside, to prevent salt water from damaging steel pipes. 

Germany don't agree with Putin's proposal of opening the undamaged pipe on nord stream 2, so Lavrov confirmed yesterday they won't be concentrating on europe (there is only one remaining line to europe through ukraine-slovakia with 40mln m3 daily), but on export to Turkey.

The last chapter of this article "Who blew up the pipelines?"  

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-set-mothball-damaged-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-sources-2023-03-03/

 

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35 minutes ago, internationalism said:

it transpires, that 3 investigating countries send a joint letter to the UN security council before it's meeting on nord stream.

Investigations are still ongoing. Russian authorities are informed.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-investigations-by-denmark-sweden-germany-are-ongoing-2023-02-21/

 

yesterday's article - nord stream to be sealed and coated inside, to prevent salt water from damaging steel pipes. 

Germany don't agree with Putin's proposal of opening the undamaged pipe on nord stream 2, so Lavrov confirmed yesterday they won't be concentrating on europe (there is only one remaining line to europe through ukraine-slovakia with 40mln m3 daily), but on export to Turkey.

The last chapter of this article "Who blew up the pipelines?"  

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-set-mothball-damaged-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-sources-2023-03-03/

 

Turkey isn't much of a substitute for Europe. And there are already  huge fields being developed off of Israel in addition to what's already being produced there.