Popular Post ballpoint Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Maybe the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened if he was still president. We will never know. Probably not. Because a disunited NATO wouldn't have got together and backed Ukraine, so Russian troops could have walked all over the country while Trump applauded Putin's military genius. Which was Putin's plan all along. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Maybe the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened if he was still president. We will never know. Get a grip man. This is what Trump said: Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.” The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area. I see the NARA said he's still not given back his letters from dictator Kim Jong Un yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Maybe the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened if he was still president. We will never know. If Trump had won in 2020, he wouldn't lift a finger to help Zelensky. "You didn't investigate the Biden's like I asked, so you can go pack sand!" In other words, Ukraine would have been a part of Russia already. And Putin would have been anointed Russian Czar. The world would be a different place. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Gweiloman said: According to the wife of a Supreme Court judge, the election was stolen from Trump. Who do you believe? Shifty Schiff or a Supreme Court judge’s wife? I believe the evidence provided by audits and recounts. Trump lost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, heybruce said: I believe the evidence provided by audits and recounts. Trump lost. And yet, millions of Americans refuse to believe it. Do they have some sort of mental impairment? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, ballpoint said: Probably not. Because a disunited NATO wouldn't have got together and backed Ukraine, so Russian troops could have walked all over the country while Trump applauded Putin's military genius. Which was Putin's plan all along. 28 minutes ago, Berkshire said: If Trump had won in 2020, he wouldn't lift a finger to help Zelensky. "You didn't investigate the Biden's like I asked, so you can go pack sand!" In other words, Ukraine would have been a part of Russia already. And Putin would have been anointed Russian Czar. The world would be a different place. Seems like a consensus (that the war wouldn’t have happened). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Get a grip man. This is what Trump said: Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.” The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area. I see the NARA said he's still not given back his letters from dictator Kim Jong Un yet either. I know what Trump said. But I don’t know the point that you are trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Seems like a consensus (that the war wouldn’t have happened). Just as it would have been very simple for WW2 not to have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, ballpoint said: Just as it would have been very simple for WW2 not to have happened. Yes. There’s a price for peace, as there is for war. Which is preferable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: I know what Trump said. But I don’t know the point that you are trying to make. So you were just wondering out loud not expecting a response....You said: "Maybe the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened if he was still president. We will never know." My reply was on point: 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Get a grip man. This is what Trump said: Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.” The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area. I see the NARA said he's still not given back his letters from dictator Kim Jong Un yet either. Edited October 6, 2022 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gweiloman said: Maybe the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened if he was still president. We will never know. Given his past record, we can have a pretty good idea. There would have been a war. And most likely it would have been long over and cultural extermination on the way. And of course, what the Russians would call denazification and most others would call mass murder. Edited October 6, 2022 by placeholder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 43 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Get a grip man. This is what Trump said: Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.” The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area. I see the NARA said he's still not given back his letters from dictator Kim Jong Un yet either. This is also what Trump said (after the invasion started): https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/trump-now-condemns-russia-invasion-says-he-prays-for-ukrainian-people Your story predated the invasion - Trump did not approve of the invasion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Yes. There’s a price for peace, as there is for war. Which is preferable? It seems you don't understand how the world works. Sometimes the price for peace IS war. I'm sure you'd prefer Ukraine just roll over and give up their country to the Russians. As I'm sure you'd prefer Taiwan just roll over and give up their country to the Chinese. The likelihood of the latter would have grown exponentially if NATO hadn't intervened and Putin was successful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, nauseus said: This is also what Trump said (after the invasion started): https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/trump-now-condemns-russia-invasion-says-he-prays-for-ukrainian-people Your story predated the invasion - Trump did not approve of the invasion. Yes indeed and in your article it refers to the the previous statement as I did, thanks. Pity he condemns it after the fact when the vast majority of the developed world had already sided with Ukraine. Earlier this week, Mr Trump irked some Republican party members by describing Mr Putin's actions in Ukraine, where cities have been pounded by Russian artillery and cruise missiles, as "genius" and "pretty savvy". Edited October 6, 2022 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, nauseus said: This is also what Trump said (after the invasion started): https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/trump-now-condemns-russia-invasion-says-he-prays-for-ukrainian-people Your story predated the invasion - Trump did not approve of the invasion. This is also what Trump said after the invasion started: Trump Calls Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Smart, Blames Biden for Not Doing Enough Former President Donald Trump called Russian President Vladimir Putin smart and criticized the U.S. response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. “I mean, he’s taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. I’d say that’s pretty smart,” Mr. Trump said during a fundraiser at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Wednesday night, according to a recording of the event posted online, contending that Mr. Putin wouldn’t have invaded if he were still president. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news/card/trump-calls-putin-s-invasion-of-ukraine-smart-blames-biden-for-not-doing-enough-JicGb9xT5GnCZpQdiBjN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, placeholder said: Given his past record, we can have a pretty good idea. There would have been a war. And most likely it would have been long over and cultural extermination on the way. And of course, what the Russians would call denazification and most others would call mass murder. Far as I know, he’s the only recent president that did not start a war with another country. Assassinations don’t count. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DezLez Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 51 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: And yet, millions of Americans refuse to believe it. Do they have some sort of mental impairment? Yes! All of them! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezLez Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gweiloman said: Assassinations don’t count. Except his hopefully! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Berkshire said: If Trump had won in 2020, he wouldn't lift a finger to help Zelensky. "You didn't investigate the Biden's like I asked, so you can go pack sand!" In other words, Ukraine would have been a part of Russia already. And Putin would have been anointed Russian Czar. The world would be a different place. Got any real proof to back that silly statement up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes indeed and in your article it refers to the the previous statement as I did, thanks. Pity he condemns it after the fact when the vast majority of the developed world had already sided with Ukraine. Earlier this week, Mr Trump irked some Republican party members by describing Mr Putin's actions in Ukraine, where cities have been pounded by Russian artillery and cruise missiles, as "genius" and "pretty savvy". Which week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Berkshire said: It seems you don't understand how the world works. Sometimes the price for peace IS war. I'm sure you'd prefer Ukraine just roll over and give up their country to the Russians. As I'm sure you'd prefer Taiwan just roll over and give up their country to the Chinese. The likelihood of the latter would have grown exponentially if NATO hadn't intervened and Putin was successful. I have no preference either way as the affairs of Russia and Ukraine are none of my business. The impact of the war though, together with the sanctions imposed and the resulting consequences have unfortunately impacted me and everyone around the world. China hasn’t intervened as it’s not their war to fight. It’s an European war and China and India and the global south has correctly stayed out of it. Hopefully European nations will adopt the same neutral stance if there is a war in Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, nauseus said: Which week? Its in you article did you not read it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, placeholder said: This is also what Trump said after the invasion started: Trump Calls Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Smart, Blames Biden for Not Doing Enough Former President Donald Trump called Russian President Vladimir Putin smart and criticized the U.S. response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. “I mean, he’s taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. I’d say that’s pretty smart,” Mr. Trump said during a fundraiser at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Wednesday night, according to a recording of the event posted online, contending that Mr. Putin wouldn’t have invaded if he were still president. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news/card/trump-calls-putin-s-invasion-of-ukraine-smart-blames-biden-for-not-doing-enough-JicGb9xT5GnCZpQdiBjN He was referring to Putin's pre-war tactics and maneuverings. You're trying to swing it like Trump approved of the invasion - he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Far as I know, he’s the only recent president that did not start a war with another country. Assassinations don’t count. And I think it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have supported the Ukrainians in their war of defense either. He was willing to violate the law not to give them the weapons that Congress had authorized. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, nauseus said: He was referring to Putin's pre-war tactics and maneuverings. You're trying to swing it like Trump approved of the invasion - he didn't. No, he's not referring to pre-war tactics and maneuverings.. The invasion was underway when he said that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Its in you article did you not read it? You didn't cite or reference any article in your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: No, he's not referring to pre-war tactics and maneuverings.. The invasion was underway when he said that. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezLez Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: And I think it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have You actually claim to know what is going on in Trumps so called "mind" Your post should be in the worst joke section! Edited October 6, 2022 by DezLez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, nauseus said: You didn't cite or reference any article in your post. Oh lord, you post an article and then don't even know whats in it..................here again for you 32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Earlier this week, Mr Trump irked some Republican party members by describing Mr Putin's actions in Ukraine, where cities have been pounded by Russian artillery and cruise missiles, as "genius" and "pretty savvy". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Oh lord, you post an article and then don't even know whats in it..................here again for you Oh Lord why can't you bother to reference properly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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