New Political Party Ready To Launch

sriracha john · November 17, 2007

Other parties have already started pruning their trees....

Suvit to remove ex-TRT from Puea Pandin

Puea Pandin Party Leader Suvit Khunkitti said his party is willing to accept Election Commission's rules that prohibit the 111 former executives of the dissolved TRT Party from taking part in election campaigns. Suvit said he is ready to remove the banned TRT executives from Party adviser posts. His statement came after the Election Commission decided on Friday to get though with the banned executives, forbidding them from taking the stage at campaign rallies and wooing voters during election campaigns. Some of the former TRT executives that have joined the Puea Pandin Party are Surakiart Sathirathai, Suranan Vejjajiva and Phinij Jarusombat.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123670

hammered · November 17, 2007

PPP wont like this. The EC that to date had let them get away with increasingly sailing close to the wind have come down quite hard. At least it clear cut and as Puea Pandin have seen the safest option is to remove them totally from campaigning and positions within the party. This election is gearing up to get very nasty now after it seemed the PPP would be given a fairly free run in using their old power brokers publically.

Plus · November 17, 2007

I'm not sure it's the most rapidly growing group, but even if it was, farmers do not leave for cities in search of political representation, their main priority is survival.
I doubt they have opinions on low rate of unionisation.

In Thai society they are entirely at the mercy of their employers, they do not dare to make demands, and I don't see them getting politically active any time soon.

There will be no changes until someone higher up the chain starts speaking on their behalf. Unfortunately for them Thai leftists are morons no one pays any attention to.

It is estimated that 60% of the electorate will have to travel back to their province to vote. Research recently showed that over 50% of the Thai population now live and work in urban areas. This is all significant especially having over half the population vote for MPs who will never represent them. I totally agree about farmers who travel up for some seasonal work being farmers looking for survival but those who have left the rural areas and have little intentrion of going back become whether they choose or not urban workers and cease to be farmers. Yes they are at the mercy of employers but surely that in itself at some point leads to politicisation, which again is dangerous if they just get to vote in some rural area where the local MP and indeed the people dont care about their issues. Enfranchising people is needed in a society if social problems are to be avoided imho. Continuing to leave people tied to a piece of land feudal style just puts off addressing the problems and the massive and rapid social changes that will arise as Thailand develops in the modern world. I agree in Thailand things amy not change until someone above gets interested. That seems to be the nature of Thai politcs. I too have a low opinion of Thai leftists who seem a bit selective in what they are left about.

The mass movement to the cities has seen better days, now it has significantly slowed down if not stopped. It follows the economy and 10% growth of the nineties is history. Past two years haven't attracted too many people to factories, have they?

Once these people settle down and survival stops being their top priority, they effectively become middle class. At the time of their greatest needs that they are least politically active.

I don't mean to say that the urban poor should be ignored, Thaksin wasn't stupid when he went for their votes and got them. Unfortunately all he had to do is to spread some money around, there was nothing political or ideological about it and he never thought about really representing them. Just look at the taxi example - he got their votes, true, but has he allowed to even start talking about raising fares or minimum charge? All he did was to get them to pay for more cars instead.

Thai lefties, on the other hand, have shown total incompetence and for all their talk about being progressive they've got not political support from the very people they claim to represent.

Coffee Drinker · November 17, 2007

Former TRT executives plan to discuss on EC stiff rules

BANGKOK, Nov 17 (TNA) -- Former executives of the now disbanded Thai Rak Thai Party (TRT) will meet and consider on a decision by the Election Commission (EC) which prohibit them from participating in campaigns for a general election to be held on December 23, said former acting TRT leader Chaturon Chaisang today.

Adisorn Piengkes, also former member of TRT, charged that Election Commission’s decision was much more severe than a death sentence.

http://etna.mcot.net/view.php?id=1369

Edited November 17, 2007 by Coffee Drinker

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...

but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

hammered · November 18, 2007

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

blaze · November 18, 2007

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Siripon · November 18, 2007

It looks as if the hardliners in PPP want to destroy the chances of Sudarat's group in the election. The obscene title of their paper last week referring to the constitution can only alienate Bangkokians further.

รัดทำมะนวย ฉบับหัวคุณ rad tam manuay chabab hua khun is very dirty when a couple of letters are interchanged. It's as if they don't care anymore.

John K · November 18, 2007

Former TRT executives plan to discuss on EC stiff rules
BANGKOK, Nov 17 (TNA) -- Former executives of the now disbanded Thai Rak Thai Party (TRT) will meet and consider on a decision by the Election Commission (EC) which prohibit them from participating in campaigns for a general election to be held on December 23, said former acting TRT leader Chaturon Chaisang today.

Adisorn Piengkes, also former member of TRT, charged that Election Commission’s decision was much more severe than a death sentence.

http://etna.mcot.net/view.php?id=1369

Right on Que, the first whimpers of

“It isn’t fair.”

And on to the courts they go refusing to simply understand that their dance with the devil must now be paid for.

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

Is it just me or does it seem like that the few educated folks that Thaksin did have on his payroll and are part of the 111 Friendship Group all seemed to have gone to the political parties that AREN'T the People Power Party?

That goons like Yongyuth and Newin are with the PPP, while the Somkid's and Surakiart's are elsewhere. That the PPP's Leader is Samak and with the rest of Thaksin's non-academic thuggery specialists they collectively personify the worst possible side of the Thaksin Despotic Era.

The 111 Friendship Group members that are in all other parties are being dropped....

Edited November 18, 2007 by sriracha john

John K · November 18, 2007

SJ, The PPP can’t do it that easy simply because there are too many of them. If they go the PPP will resemble what democracy in Thailand looked like after Thaksin dismantled it.

Along the lines of what they should do next, expect the unexpected and extreme nastiness. Rallies but more than likely threats to people that they feel may move if pressured.

hammered · November 18, 2007

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

hammered · November 18, 2007

It looks as if the hardliners in PPP want to destroy the chances of Sudarat's group in the election. The obscene title of their paper last week referring to the constitution can only alienate Bangkokians further.
รัดทำมะนวย ฉบับหัวคุณ rad tam manuay chabab hua khun is very dirty when a couple of letters are interchanged. It's as if they don't care anymore.

Is it coming down to its better to have a fairly large group of diehard extrmists from the old TRT who will never compromise in opposition where they can be vocal claim unfair treatment etc for all eternity? The Newin/Yuth groups seem to have control right now. As someone commented all the more talented ex-TRT memebers seem to be assocaited with the new parties excluding maybe Surapong, Sudarat and Chatchuron none of whom seem to have any sway over what happens, and at least two of whom have now ben publically humiliated by the treatment received at the hands of the true controller.

Or do they actually want to be disolved hence making the election seem a farce?

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...

but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

I think we need a slimdog intervention...

What exactly is the wording of the applicable laws? The Political Party Act.

When the 111 Friendship Group was "banned from politics" for five years by a court ruling it does not seem unreasonable that the following would apply:

According to the EC restrictions, the banned executives of the disbanded Thai Rak Thai (TRT) party must not be strategic or policy advisers for political parties, must not make campaign speeches or take the stage at campaign rallies, must not be members of a political party and must not be photographed with poll candidates in campaign material.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/18Nov2007_news01.php

For the ruling and the law to have any substance, those limitations seem appropriate. As well as a precedence is evident as other previously banned politicians abided by those type of restictions.

Regarding the Adisorn comment prior posted, it's noteworthy that he won't be staying in Thailand, so it doesn't matter....

According to Mr Adisorn, human beings are ''political animals'' and totally banning them from all political activities, particularly making campaign speeches, are way too drastic.
" I will migrate to Laos,'' he said.

SAA

Whether I agree with Abhisit would depend on the wordings that hopefully slimdog will pop up with.

Edited November 18, 2007 by sriracha john

blaze · November 18, 2007

Not sure what you are suggesting here Hammered- that a fair and principled stance would be to oppose the EC ruling as Abhsit has done?

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

A_Traveller · November 18, 2007

Well I don't go woof and I'm not as slim as I once was, however, in the spirit of cooperation:-

PDF Organic Law on Political Parties 1998

The statutes page from the ECT website

Regards

/edit from... form... never get that one///

Edited November 18, 2007 by A_Traveller

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

Thank you for those, svelte_traveller... much quicker than the ol' slimdog....

This is gonna take some perusing...

Edited November 18, 2007 by sriracha john

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

sorry...the ol' slimdog double-post....

Edited November 18, 2007 by sriracha john

A_Traveller · November 18, 2007

The point to be remembered is that the 111 were banned from being political executives, as per section 66 [for the party} & and specifically Section 69

Section 69. In the case where a political party has been dissolved upon inconformity with section 35 or section 62 or committing any act under section 66, a person who used to be a member of the Executive Committee of the dissolved political party shall not, within the period of five years as form the date of the dissolution, apply for the formation of a new political party, be a member of an Executive Committee of political party nor be a promotor of a new political party under Section 8.

Section 8. Persons of Thai nationality by birth who are not less than twenty years of age and not being under any of the prohibitions as to disfranchisement under the Constitution and not less than fifteen in number can form a group of promoters of a political party for the purpose of building political will of the people and carrying out political activities in fulfillment of such will through the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of the State.

Regards

PS the form in quote 1 is in the pdf, though it should read from, odd I just did that myself above.

PPS Section 8 would apply to planning or instigating the building of a new party, in my view, not least because the 111 were 'disenfranchised'.

/edit layout//

Edited November 18, 2007 by A_Traveller

A_Traveller · November 18, 2007

We are all aware that we are dealing with, as the argot goes, 'Unofficial Translations', so I guess it is possible that there are subtleties which do not cross the language divide, but I have to say that my original reading of the act, at the time of the judgement, was that I couldn't see, legally, how the 111 could continue in public political roles. I think I said then that, like more than a few expats here, the term consultant would be used with enthusiasm. Though I still think Section 8 could be used, if so desired, to catch that too.

Regards

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

Suprisingly derisive words ...

Samak 'alienating voters'

Chaturon Chaisaeng, a key figure of the campaign to bring back ex-PM Thaksin Shinwatara, says pugnacious leader Samak Sundaravej of the self-described proxy People Power party (PPP) is driving away voters. Chaturon, one of 111 executives of the former TRT now banned for holding office, said PPP Leader Samak is using the wrong campaign tactics to try win the Dec 23 election. Samak, the combative former minister and governor, has allowed the hardcore camp of the PPP to "declare wars against all parties," said Chaturon, including the military and the members of the National Legislative Assembly (NLA). Chaturon said this aggressive election campaign is eroding voter support. Chaturon said Samak has failed to use his party’s strong point - the populist policies of TRT. With PPP pushing hard lines of criticism at all other political parties, the military, coup authorities and the legislture, voters are beginning to doubt the party can run the country. Chaturon also added that the PPP has also failed to make campaign speeches as often as it should. Samak issued no immediate comment to the criticism from Chaturon, who commands a huge chunk of loyalty from former Thaksin supporters.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=123702

hammered · November 18, 2007

Suprisingly derisive words ...
Samak 'alienating voters'

Chaturon Chaisaeng, a key figure of the campaign to bring back ex-PM Thaksin Shinwatara, says pugnacious leader Samak Sundaravej of the self-described proxy People Power party (PPP) is driving away voters. Chaturon, one of 111 executives of the former TRT now banned for holding office, said PPP Leader Samak is using the wrong campaign tactics to try win the Dec 23 election. Samak, the combative former minister and governor, has allowed the hardcore camp of the PPP to "declare wars against all parties," said Chaturon, including the military and the members of the National Legislative Assembly (NLA). Chaturon said this aggressive election campaign is eroding voter support. Chaturon said Samak has failed to use his party’s strong point - the populist policies of TRT. With PPP pushing hard lines of criticism at all other political parties, the military, coup authorities and the legislture, voters are beginning to doubt the party can run the country. Chaturon also added that the PPP has also failed to make campaign speeches as often as it should. Samak issued no immediate comment to the criticism from Chaturon, who commands a huge chunk of loyalty from former Thaksin supporters.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=123702

Soundslike a fair assessment by Chachuron. Doesnt mena the policy willchange however.

hammered · November 18, 2007

Not sure what you are suggesting here Hammered- that a fair and principled stance would be to oppose the EC ruling as Abhsit has done?

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

Just looking at it cynically and why different people oppose it. Personally I havent looked at the legal stuff so find it hard to know exactly. I reckon the Junta side will use all means they can to push PPP into defeat. I reckon PPP will use all menas possible to win or undermine the election. The hard ban hurts PPP chances of winning so they call it unfair. Abhisit opposesd it from a more liberal theoretical perspective, or some may argue maybe as a cynical ploy to grab a few swing away from PPP votes. Some other parties have accepted it too. Should it be opposed I dont know personally. However, I dont think things can be seen as black and white in the current context. It is also possible that the decision actually suits the harder PPP wing a it could lead to disolution undermining the election and any chance of a coming together. It is noticeable that Chatchuron is the one criticising the decision rather than Newin or Jatuporn. Chatchuron is also criticiing Samak at the same time. There is obviously a split between hard liners and more pragamatic members inside the PPP. Too much is happening too quickly now to realy analyse exactly what it all means imho.

blaze · November 18, 2007

Not sure what you are suggesting here Hammered- that a fair and principled stance would be to oppose the EC ruling as Abhsit has done?

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

Just looking at it cynically and why different people oppose it. Personally I havent looked at the legal stuff so find it hard to know exactly. I reckon the Junta side will use all means they can to push PPP into defeat. I reckon PPP will use all menas possible to win or undermine the election. The hard ban hurts PPP chances of winning so they call it unfair. Abhisit opposesd it from a more liberal theoretical perspective, or some may argue maybe as a cynical ploy to grab a few swing away from PPP votes. Some other parties have accepted it too. Should it be opposed I dont know personally. However, I dont think things can be seen as black and white in the current context. It is also possible that the decision actually suits the harder PPP wing a it could lead to disolution undermining the election and any chance of a coming together. It is noticeable that Chatchuron is the one criticising the decision rather than Newin or Jatuporn. Chatchuron is also criticiing Samak at the same time. There is obviously a split between hard liners and more pragamatic members inside the PPP. Too much is happening too quickly now to realy analyse exactly what it all means imho.

The stuff offered by A Traveller would certainly, in my uneducated opinion anyway, suggest that more than a few of the 111 are well in contravention of the ban- but for Abhisit to take the stand he has taken- at this time...OK- opportunism- of course- that's politics- no matter how nice a guy he is- every statement made from here on in will be engineered for a specific outcome- but what is his purpose in actually inferring that the EC is operating (at least in this regard) non-constitutionally?

He quite vocally supported the bans- but now - what? He supports the bans but doesn't support the conditions of being banned? I wonder if this is a token gesture to distance himself and his party from the coup- from the bodies and legislation and rulings that have come about since the coup. And thereby swing a part of the anti-coup vote his way. Certainly doesn't help the EC which already has been beleagured with accusations of incompetence and of being a tool of the generals.

hammered · November 18, 2007

Not sure what you are suggesting here Hammered- that a fair and principled stance would be to oppose the EC ruling as Abhsit has done?

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

Just looking at it cynically and why different people oppose it. Personally I havent looked at the legal stuff so find it hard to know exactly. I reckon the Junta side will use all means they can to push PPP into defeat. I reckon PPP will use all menas possible to win or undermine the election. The hard ban hurts PPP chances of winning so they call it unfair. Abhisit opposesd it from a more liberal theoretical perspective, or some may argue maybe as a cynical ploy to grab a few swing away from PPP votes. Some other parties have accepted it too. Should it be opposed I dont know personally. However, I dont think things can be seen as black and white in the current context. It is also possible that the decision actually suits the harder PPP wing a it could lead to disolution undermining the election and any chance of a coming together. It is noticeable that Chatchuron is the one criticising the decision rather than Newin or Jatuporn. Chatchuron is also criticiing Samak at the same time. There is obviously a split between hard liners and more pragamatic members inside the PPP. Too much is happening too quickly now to realy analyse exactly what it all means imho.

The stuff offered by A Traveller would certainly, in my uneducated opinion anyway, suggest that more than a few of the 111 are well in contravention of the ban- but for Abhisit to take the stand he has taken- at this time...OK- opportunism- of course- that's politics- no matter how nice a guy he is- every statement made from here on in will be engineered for a specific outcome- but what is his purpose in actually inferring that the EC is operating (at least in this regard) non-constitutionally?

He quite vocally supported the bans- but now - what? He supports the bans but doesn't support the conditions of being banned? I wonder if this is a token gesture to distance himself and his party from the coup- from the bodies and legislation and rulings that have come about since the coup. And thereby swing a part of the anti-coup vote his way. Certainly doesn't help the EC which already has been beleagured with accusations of incompetence and of being a tool of the generals.

You may have something with trying to refute any pro-coup labels made of the Dems. This election is starting to get very messy. Maybe Abhisit is eorried at the prospect of a PPP disolution. Obviously it would help his party but leave the country divided even more and internationally seen as joke. The Dems are also usually well in tune with business sentiment both local and interantional and it may just be that business sentiment just couldnt take anotheer disolution or mass red cardings. It certainly looks like like the way many are in cotravention of the ban that a game of really pushing authorities is going on here. Maybe a game of brinkmanship in the terms around a deal, which some specualte must be done. Giving the Junta pause to think about possible PPP election victory, disolution with another discredited election, another less popular coup or deal with T does not leave a lot of good options. I doubt Mr. Abhisit is or will be at the centre of this but he probably dislikes some of those alternatives rather than others but doesnt have the power to influece the choice made leaving obnly the chance o make a statement or two.

Still it is all speculation and the nature of Thai politcs is that we will no doubt be left guessing. After a lot of recent deal talk the current developments do though look like a ratcheting up of the war and a return to winner takes all. Persoanlly I worry about the next few months although I have to say most Thai people I know seem to think it will all be better after Dec 23.

blaze · November 18, 2007

Not sure what you are suggesting here Hammered- that a fair and principled stance would be to oppose the EC ruling as Abhsit has done?

What do you make of Abhisit's joining the chorus of those complaining that the EC is trampling human rights in this ruling? (see this am's Bkk Post).

"much more severe than a death sentence" ??? .....Being banned destroyed their very soul...
but anyway....

Former TRT executives move against EC rules

Chaturon said former executives of TRT and lawyers would discuss on which court their complaints should be lodged with as they believed the decision by the EC which was clarified by the poll agency members yesterday were unfair to them. Conclusion could be ready by next week and it is not necessary to discuss with the former leader of TRT and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Mr. Chaturon.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=123684

==============================================================

The biggest issue facing TRT/PPP and they're not going to bother to consult with Thaksin about it??? yeah right.... ok.... sure...

The reaction of the primarily PPP members of the 111 to the ban seems to indicate it will affect their election campaign plans. It is a joke whenever they say they wont consult master after all they joied the Pardon Pardon Party.

When hearing people talk of the trampling of their rights it is interesting to rememeber how many stood up for the rights of those killed in the exra judicial purge or for that matter those slain on 6 October 1976. It seems the rights of the rich and powerful elite are somewhat more than those of the average Joe they constantly trample on or even kill.

No dount the nasty politcal game of making sure the electoral outcome is won will continue. There aint no innocents in that game.

Id say Mr. Abhisit is probably a fair and principled man even to the extent of sticking up for things that could hurt his own chances. He would be a potentially great politican in a western country. In Thailand probably not.

Unfortunately this election is nothing to do with being fair and principled but about on one side using vast quantities of cash, promises and other forms of influence to win and on the other using as much state influence as possible to win. That is the nexus of where we are imho.

Just looking at it cynically and why different people oppose it. Personally I havent looked at the legal stuff so find it hard to know exactly. I reckon the Junta side will use all means they can to push PPP into defeat. I reckon PPP will use all menas possible to win or undermine the election. The hard ban hurts PPP chances of winning so they call it unfair. Abhisit opposesd it from a more liberal theoretical perspective, or some may argue maybe as a cynical ploy to grab a few swing away from PPP votes. Some other parties have accepted it too. Should it be opposed I dont know personally. However, I dont think things can be seen as black and white in the current context. It is also possible that the decision actually suits the harder PPP wing a it could lead to disolution undermining the election and any chance of a coming together. It is noticeable that Chatchuron is the one criticising the decision rather than Newin or Jatuporn. Chatchuron is also criticiing Samak at the same time. There is obviously a split between hard liners and more pragamatic members inside the PPP. Too much is happening too quickly now to realy analyse exactly what it all means imho.

The stuff offered by A Traveller would certainly, in my uneducated opinion anyway, suggest that more than a few of the 111 are well in contravention of the ban- but for Abhisit to take the stand he has taken- at this time...OK- opportunism- of course- that's politics- no matter how nice a guy he is- every statement made from here on in will be engineered for a specific outcome- but what is his purpose in actually inferring that the EC is operating (at least in this regard) non-constitutionally?

He quite vocally supported the bans- but now - what? He supports the bans but doesn't support the conditions of being banned? I wonder if this is a token gesture to distance himself and his party from the coup- from the bodies and legislation and rulings that have come about since the coup. And thereby swing a part of the anti-coup vote his way. Certainly doesn't help the EC which already has been beleagured with accusations of incompetence and of being a tool of the generals.

You may have something with trying to refute any pro-coup labels made of the Dems. This election is starting to get very messy. Maybe Abhisit is eorried at the prospect of a PPP disolution. Obviously it would help his party but leave the country divided even more and internationally seen as joke. The Dems are also usually well in tune with business sentiment both local and interantional and it may just be that business sentiment just couldnt take anotheer disolution or mass red cardings. It certainly looks like like the way many are in cotravention of the ban that a game of really pushing authorities is going on here. Maybe a game of brinkmanship in the terms around a deal, which some specualte must be done. Giving the Junta pause to think about possible PPP election victory, disolution with another discredited election, another less popular coup or deal with T does not leave a lot of good options. I doubt Mr. Abhisit is or will be at the centre of this but he probably dislikes some of those alternatives rather than others but doesnt have the power to influece the choice made leaving obnly the chance o make a statement or two.

Still it is all speculation and the nature of Thai politcs is that we will no doubt be left guessing. After a lot of recent deal talk the current developments do though look like a ratcheting up of the war and a return to winner takes all. Persoanlly I worry about the next few months although I have to say most Thai people I know seem to think it will all be better after Dec 23.

True enough Hammered, on all counts. Also depends which paper you read the report in- according to the Nation, he approached the entire issue 'cautiously' and basically said that all people deserve the political rights accorded to them by the law.

The Post report however, made it sound like a full out attack on the EC.

As you suggest, more damning than a PPP win would be his winning an election which, to the international community might look like a set-up.

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

Maybe Abhisit is worried at the prospect of a PPP dissolution. Obviously it would help his party but leave the country divided even more and internationally seen as joke.

If the PPP is ultimately dissolved itself as being nothing more than a proxy for a disbanded TRT, why do you think the election would be seen as a sham internationally?

The international community at the time of the TRT dissolution didn't raise a big stink, which I thought was a tribute to the diligent and well thought rendering from the Constitutional Court. Is it such a stretch that if it is pointed out to them what the PPP has been up to, that they would accept the same dissolution that befell the TRT without viewing the whole process as a sham?

sriracha john · November 18, 2007

He11 hath no fury as a woman scorned...

Leenajang whisked away from Matchima rally site

Samut Prakan - Police told Leenajang Janya, a Paendin Thai candidate, to leave a rally site of the Matchima Thipataya Party Sunday evening.

Police took the action after seeing Leenajang trying to disrupt the campaign led by Matchima Thipataya leader Prachai Leophairatana at Dan Samrong Secondary School in Muang district at 5 pm.

Earlier, a brief turmoil broke out when Leenajang's campaign procession met with Prachai's procession on road.

Leenajang then followed Prachai to the school and was initially stopped at the gate but Prachai later allowed Leenajang to go inside, but she tried to disrupt Prachai's speech now and then.

Leenajang alleged that Prachai broke his promise to field her in the election.

- The Nation

John K · November 18, 2007

Stepping back several steps, it looks like this week will degenerate into an emotion charged week with the hopes of club 111 trying to find or buy a way around this ruling. The EC’s announcement to seek a ruling from the constitutional tribunal is clearly to take the heat off them. Apparently they are under some unannounced threat/pressure and want to seek the backing of the court.

I can imagine some of the conversations of desperation going on in the PPP. The attacks that are starting up between whoever for whatever look to be amusing to say the least as they cut each other to shreds.

As memory serves the EC is “The man” to make the call as it clearly is their job. As I seem to recall a convicted criminal loses many of their constitutional rights, and seeing that may be the case here. In the USA a convicted felon loses his or her right to vote for life. This is just a five year suspension and they should adhere to the ruling. To me this looks like a bunch of spoiled brats crying and whining because they got caught.

Samak now is in deep trouble as he has set himself up to be the symbiotic host for Thaksin. He has to now run on his own steam and it looks like his boiler has rusted out.

Tony Clifton · November 18, 2007

To me it looks like a bunch of spoiled brats who were mostly all involved in some sort of criminal activity while working under the previous government and wanting to bring it back at ANY cost to escape justice by manipulating the system once elected. The present interim government can only do so much in a certain amount of time and the political chameleons are VERY afraid the next government will continue a trend of finding new and HUGE irregularities that have yet to be uncovered and prosecuting those involved, add to that the many ongoing cases.

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