Jury finds 3 men guilty of supporting plot to kidnap Michigan’s Gov. Whitmer

[Scott]

 

 

Three men accused of supporting a plot to kidnap Michigan’s governor were convicted of all charges Wednesday, a triumph for state prosecutors after months of mixed results in the main case in federal court.

 

Joe Morrison, his father-in-law Pete Musico, and Paul Bellar were found guilty of providing “material support” for a terrorist act as members of a paramilitary group, the Wolverine Watchmen.

 

They held gun drills in rural Jackson County with a leader of the scheme, Adam Fox, who was disgusted with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and other officials in 2020 and said he wanted to kidnap her.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/jury-finds-3-men-guilty-of-supporting-plot-to-kidnap-michigans-gov-whitmer

 

[Bluespunk]

“Morrison, who recently tested positive for COVID-19, and Musico watched the verdict by video away from the courtroom. Judge Thomas Wilson ordered all three to jail while they await sentencing scheduled for Dec. 15.”

Wonder what Santa will be bringing them this year…

[pegman]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

“Morrison, who recently tested positive for COVID-19, and Musico watched the verdict by video away from the courtroom. Judge Thomas Wilson ordered all three to jail while they await sentencing scheduled for Dec. 15.”

Wonder what Santa will be bringing them this year…

Hopefully very, very long sentences. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

5 hours ago, pegman said:

Hopefully very, very long sentences. 

and a thorough, leave no stone unturned investigation by impartial investigators of the dodgy involvement of the FBI in the planning of this kidnapping. Just the latest in a long long long line of seemingly political moves by the FBI to set up conservatives and/or protect big players of the left. Fun ad games I'm sure, but at the end of the day conservatives - at least the ones I converse with - are absolutely disgusted with Biden's FBI.

 

"The defense’s argument of FBI entrapment draws on a long history. In the post 9/11 era, when internal US security agencies focused on the existence of Muslim extremist plots, several prosecutions, including of the Newburgh Four, hinged on informants actively promoting a plot before turning would-be perpetrators over to the government to be tried on conspiracy charges.

 

Activists and civil rights experts have argued that the FBI has frequently overstepped boundaries, essentially egging on people to participate in plots and locking up people for crimes that they would never have committed had it not been for the intervention of law enforcement."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/michigan-governor-kidnap-case-terrorists-fbi-dupes-gretchen-whitmer

 

They need to be disbanded and a new investigative agency created from scratch. They are just too damaged now.

[Chomper Higgot]

So a bunch of grown men get together to found a terrorist group. 
 

One of them comes up with the idea of ‘Wolverine Watchmen’ and all the others think ‘yeh, that’s us’.

 

Well done FBI for infiltrating this home grown terrorist organization, well done the public prosecutor for securing a successful prosecution, well done the court and jury for handing them Justice.

 

Now cage them.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

and a thorough, leave no stone unturned investigation by impartial investigators of the dodgy involvement of the FBI in the planning of this kidnapping. Just the latest in a long long long line of seemingly political moves by the FBI to set up conservatives and/or protect big players of the left. Fun ad games I'm sure, but at the end of the day conservatives - at least the ones I converse with - are absolutely disgusted with Biden's FBI.

 

"The defense’s argument of FBI entrapment draws on a long history. In the post 9/11 era, when internal US security agencies focused on the existence of Muslim extremist plots, several prosecutions, including of the Newburgh Four, hinged on informants actively promoting a plot before turning would-be perpetrators over to the government to be tried on conspiracy charges.

Activists and civil rights experts have argued that the FBI has frequently overstepped boundaries, essentially egging on people to participate in plots and locking up people for crimes that they would never have committed had it not been for the intervention of law enforcement."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/michigan-governor-kidnap-case-terrorists-fbi-dupes-gretchen-whitmer

 

They need to be disbanded and a new investigative agency created from scratch. They are just too damaged now.

The jury heard the charges, the evidence and the defense.

 

The Jury handed down a guilty verdict.

 

Well done all who brought these homegrown terrorists to Justice.

[pegman]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

and a thorough, leave no stone unturned investigation by impartial investigators of the dodgy involvement of the FBI in the planning of this kidnapping. Just the latest in a long long long line of seemingly political moves by the FBI to set up conservatives and/or protect big players of the left. Fun ad games I'm sure, but at the end of the day conservatives - at least the ones I converse with - are absolutely disgusted with Biden's FBI.

 

"The defense’s argument of FBI entrapment draws on a long history. In the post 9/11 era, when internal US security agencies focused on the existence of Muslim extremist plots, several prosecutions, including of the Newburgh Four, hinged on informants actively promoting a plot before turning would-be perpetrators over to the government to be tried on conspiracy charges.

Activists and civil rights experts have argued that the FBI has frequently overstepped boundaries, essentially egging on people to participate in plots and locking up people for crimes that they would never have committed had it not been for the intervention of law enforcement."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/michigan-governor-kidnap-case-terrorists-fbi-dupes-gretchen-whitmer

 

They need to be disbanded and a new investigative agency created from scratch. They are just too damaged now.

Funny isn't FBI director Wray a conservative Republican  first appointed by Trump? Didn't he replace conservative Republican Comey who had replaced conservative Republican Mueller?

Edited October 27, 2022 by onthedarkside
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[Berkshire]

Amazing that the lawyers for the accused would use this defense....

 

[“In this country, you are allowed to talk the talk but you only get convicted if you walk the walk,” Musico’s attorney, Kareem Johnson, said in his closing remarks.]

 

If this were true, then law enforcement would never be allowed to stop a crime from happening. 

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

They need to be disbanded and a new investigative agency created from scratch. They are just too damaged now.

You Maga folks just make me laugh. 2 years ago, the same folks accused the left of trying to defund and abolish police altogether. Now the same Maga folks are calling for the abolition of the FBI. You got to get off this loony train. 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Eric Loh
Wrong word

[onthedarkside]

A post citing a disallowed, "questionable source" website has been removed, along with an ensuing reply. And an off-topic diversion post and ensuing replies.

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You Maga folks just make me laugh. 2 years ago, the same folks accused the left of trying to defund and abolish police altogether. Now the same Maga folks are calling for the abolition of the FBI. You got to get off this loony train. 

 

While not strictly on topic I would like to counter this abusive, irrelevant and misleading post. Laugh and mock me all you want. So Maga folks were accusing the left of wanting to abolish the police were they? I wonder why, Eric?

 

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

 

 All in Maga folks imagination was it? Amazing how people can so shamelessly try to rewrite history.

 

 

 

[Credo]

29 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

While not strictly on topic I would like to counter this abusive, irrelevant and misleading post. Laugh and mock me all you want. So Maga folks were accusing the left of wanting to abolish the police were they? I wonder why, Eric?

 

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

 

 All in Maga folks imagination was it? Amazing how people can so shamelessly try to rewrite history.

 

And you are using an opinion piece from 2020 to support your position?

 

The calls to defund the police were mostly a small but vocal group, and among them most simply wanted more money diverted to mental health services.  The police are not trained to deal with a lot of mental health situations, domestic disturbances and a multitude of other situations.  They shouldn't have to.  They should have professionals available on-call that can step in and let the police take care of more serious crimes.   

 

[stevenl]

42 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

While not strictly on topic I would like to counter this abusive, irrelevant and misleading post. Laugh and mock me all you want. So Maga folks were accusing the left of wanting to abolish the police were they? I wonder why, Eric?

 

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

 

 All in Maga folks imagination was it? Amazing how people can so shamelessly try to rewrite history.

 

 

 

So you accuse the left of having this ridiculous idea of wanting to defund the police and now you want to disband the fbi.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So you accuse the left of having this ridiculous idea of wanting to defund the police and now you want to disband the fbi.

That’s maga for you.

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

While not strictly on topic I would like to counter this abusive, irrelevant and misleading post. Laugh and mock me all you want. So Maga folks were accusing the left of wanting to abolish the police were they? I wonder why, Eric?

 

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

 

 All in Maga folks imagination was it? Amazing how people can so shamelessly try to rewrite history.

 

 

 

I tell you why it still make me chuckle. Defund the police movement came about amid national outrage over the police killing of George Floyd and the outcry was for police reform. Contrasting with the snowflake reaction of the Maga folks to abolish the FBI because dear leader resort was searched. LOL.