Climate change threatens ‘things Americans value most,’ federal report says

[onthedarkside]

 

Climate change is unleashing “far-reaching and worsening” calamities in every region of the United States, and the economic and human toll will only increase unless humans move faster to slow the planet’s warming, according to a sprawling new federal report released Monday.

 

“The things Americans value most are at risk,” the National Climate Assessment authors, who represent a broad range of federal agencies, write in the draft report. “Many of the harmful impacts that people across the country are already experiencing will worsen as warming increases, and new risks will emerge.”

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/07/cop27-climate-change-report-us/

 

 

[KhunLA]

More fear & doom & gloom... govt will fix all:

"more taxes will solve everything...

... and the banded on" ????

 

... there's none so blind as those who will not see ... 

 

50 yrs later, and the spin still works ... Timeless:

 

[Credo]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

More fear & doom & gloom... govt will fix all:

"more taxes will solve everything...

... and the banded on" ????

 

... there's none so blind as those who will not see ... 

 

50 yrs later, and the spin still works ... Timeless:

 

Oh, another one that just won't accept the truth or facts.  Anything to support your position?  Anybody besides gov'ts that can solve the problem? ....or maybe you don't believe it is a problem.

 

[Tippaporn]

The Dems have chosen the wrong issue sets to run on the midterms.  Voters have much more pressing concerns than climate change.  What they 'value most' is their economic survival amongst a long, long list of other concerns.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

Oh, another one that just won't accept the truth or facts.  Anything to support your position?  Anybody besides gov'ts that can solve the problem? ....or maybe you don't believe it is a problem.

Video in my post (Ball of Confusion-Temptations) was censored out.  That may help explain my post.  If you know of. or watch on YT.

 

If not, then the one members signature is quite appropriate, here, and to most replies:

"I can help explain it to you, but I can't help you to understand it"

Edited November 8, 2022 by KhunLA

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

Oh, another one that just won't accept the truth or facts.  Anything to support your position?  Anybody besides gov'ts that can solve the problem? ....or maybe you don't believe it is a problem.

 

What truth? Climate changes- always has, always will. That's nature and humans thinking they can actually do anything about it is Tower of Babel thinking IMO.

Fires- always been fires- part of nature

Temperature- in first century AD Romans grew grapes in Britain, then it got too cold in dark ages; all before "human made climate change".

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On 11/8/2022 at 1:13 PM, KhunLA said:

More fear & doom & gloom... govt will fix all:

"more taxes will solve everything...

... and the banded on" ????

 

... there's none so blind as those who will not see ... 

 

50 yrs later, and the spin still works ... Timeless:

 

Thanks for the Pavlovian response. Pure clichés. 

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9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What truth? Climate changes- always has, always will. That's nature and humans thinking they can actually do anything about it is Tower of Babel thinking IMO.

Fires- always been fires- part of nature

Temperature- in first century AD Romans grew grapes in Britain, then it got too cold in dark ages; all before "human made climate change".

As per usual, another denialist who doesnt' seem to grasp the significance of rates. As in the rate of change. So, when you put your money into a bank, it makes no difference to you what the interest rate is just as long as your money earns some interest?

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9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Video in my post (Ball of Confusion-Temptations) was censored out.  That may help explain my post.  If you know of. or watch on YT.

 

If not, then the one members signature is quite appropriate, here, and to most replies:

"I can help explain it to you, but I can't help you to understand it"

If you can explain nonsense to people as being true, it isn't their powers of understanding that are failing.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

As per usual, another denialist who doesnt' seem to grasp the significance of rates. As in the rate of change. So, when you put your money into a bank, it makes no difference to you what the interest rate is just as long as your money earns some interest?

So what?

Lying that I'm a denialist doesn't help your case. I accept that climate change happens.

 

I'm amused that such as yourself has never to my knowledge made any acceptable, affordable or effective suggestion as to how the "rate of change" can be varied, preferring to attack other posters that disagree with your opinions.

 

BTW, if you are going to use deflections to illustrate your claim, better find a better one than bank interest rates, given they have been close to zero for many years.

Edited November 9, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

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35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what?

Lying that I'm a denialist doesn't help your case. I accept that climate change happens.

 

I'm amused that such as yourself has never to my knowledge made any acceptable, affordable or effective suggestion as to how the "rate of change" can be varied, preferring to attack other posters that disagree with your opinions.

 

BTW, if you are going to use deflections to illustrate your claim, better find a better one than bank interest rates, given they have been close to zero for many years.

The key phrase in your response being "never to my knowledge."

Here's a link again to the IPCC climate mitigation report. I am confident it will provide you with many happy hours of reading:

 https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/

[placeholder]

On 11/9/2022 at 4:53 AM, Tippaporn said:

The Dems have chosen the wrong issue sets to run on the midterms.  Voters have much more pressing concerns than climate change.  What they 'value most' is their economic survival amongst a long, long list of other concerns.

And Republicans chose the right issues despite which they made paltry gains. Does that tell you something?

[placeholder]

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what?

Lying that I'm a denialist doesn't help your case. I accept that climate change happens.

 

I'm amused that such as yourself has never to my knowledge made any acceptable, affordable or effective suggestion as to how the "rate of change" can be varied, preferring to attack other posters that disagree with your opinions.

 

BTW, if you are going to use deflections to illustrate your claim, better find a better one than bank interest rates, given they have been close to zero for many years.

Lying, huh? Do you actually read what you write? You just asserted that humans can do nothing about climate change. Or maybe you forgot  because your comment was posted so long ago?  Practically an entire day! 

 

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What truth? Climate changes- always has, always will. That's nature and humans thinking they can actually do anything about it is Tower of Babel thinking IMO.

Fires- always been fires- part of nature

Temperature- in first century AD Romans grew

If it's impossible to anything about that means you reject the concept of human-caused climate change. 

 

Defying expectations, CO2 emissions from global fossil fuel combustion are set to grow in 2022 by only a fraction of last year’s big increase

Thanks to record deployment of renewables and EVs, the CO2 intensity of the world’s energy supply is improving again after worsening in 2021 when the economy rebounded sharply

https://www.iea.org/news/defying-expectations-co2-emissions-from-global-fossil-fuel-combustion-are-set-to-grow-in-2022-by-only-a-fraction-of-last-year-s-big-increase

[JonnyF]

As others have alluded to, many of us are tired of this Doomsday cult, complete with their child deity (Thunberg) as leader and the usual band of oddball, fanatical followers.

 

It's just another tool to keep the population scared and handing their money over to the political elite in the form of green taxes - for 'protection' from the "threat". Meanwhile, these same elites fly around the world on private jets and being chauffered in Range Rover laden motorcades to attend conferences where they lecture the plebs about reducing their carbon footprint. 

 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/29/joe-biden-sees-rome-with-85-car-motorcade-before-climate-summit/

 

Good work if you can get it.

 

 

[katatonic]

On 11/9/2022 at 6:14 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

What truth? Climate changes- always has, always will. That's nature and humans thinking they can actually do anything about it is Tower of Babel thinking IMO.

Fires- always been fires- part of nature

Temperature- in first century AD Romans grew grapes in Britain, then it got too cold in dark ages; all before "human made climate change".

Climate normally, in the planet's history, changes gradually, over tens of thousands of years due to solar variation unless an event such as a meteorite strike should.happen and cause mass extinction. What we have now is a mass extinction event caused by the burning of colossal quantities of fossil fuels. If you really think that is untrue then you haven't really thought about it. Energy companies spent millions 'debunking' the obvious facts in. the 80's and 90's and unfortunately some stubborn people still refuse to accept the obvious.

 

Grapes have always been grown in the south of England although it's much easier nowadays of course. 

 

The Dark Ages are so-called because of the lack of written records due to a breakdown of societal culture, not because it was dark.. There was a medieval warm period around 950-1200AD and mini-ice ages in human recorded history but none of these were. global, just localised and caused by sea current anomalies.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, katatonic said:

Climate normally, in the planet's history, changes gradually, over tens of thousands of years due to solar variation unless an event such as a meteorite strike should.happen and cause mass extinction. What we have now is a mass extinction event caused by the burning of colossal quantities of fossil fuels. If you really think that is untrue then you haven't really thought about it.

Of course I know the first part of that and I never said I didn't.

What I do believe is that no matter how many trees we plant as "carbon credits" it won't make the slightest bit of difference as long as Brazil, SEA and some African countries continue to destroy forests on an industrial scale; driving a tiny number of Evs in rich western countries isn't going to make any difference so long as billions of IC vehicles are driving around in the rest of the world and building expensive windmills isn't going to make an iota of difference when China and other countries are burning massive amounts of coal.

 

I also believe that as long as climate warriors continue to fly large numbers of participants to conferences on climate change they are giving the middle finger to the rest of us.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, katatonic said:

The Dark Ages are so-called because of the lack of written records due to a breakdown of societal culture, not because it was dark..

LOL. I did actually go to school, and it wasn't anything to do with lack of written records, as monks didn't stop writing and there were all those Arab scholars writing .
It was called the dark ages because Europe went into a culturally dark era after Rome fell and it didn't end till the reformation, if I recall correctly.

[billd766]

22 minutes ago, katatonic said:

Climate normally, in the planet's history, changes gradually, over tens of thousands of years due to solar variation unless an event such as a meteorite strike should.happen and cause mass extinction. What we have now is a mass extinction event caused by the burning of colossal quantities of fossil fuels. If you really think that is untrue then you haven't really thought about it. Energy companies spent millions 'debunking' the obvious facts in. the 80's and 90's and unfortunately some stubborn people still refuse to accept the obvious.

 

Grapes have always been grown in the south of England although it's much easier nowadays of course. 

 

The Dark Ages are so-called because of the lack of written records due to a breakdown of societal culture, not because it was dark.. There was a medieval warm period around 950-1200AD and mini-ice ages in human recorded history but none of these were. global, just localised and caused by sea current anomalies.

 

 

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thank you for that excellent post. Certainly on topic with a lot to say about ‘things-americans-value-most’

 

Bye.

You've even got the topic wrong. For your benefit here it is again: "Climate Change Threatens Things Americans Value Most"

 So let me try to explain again why your claim that you are not a climate change denialist makes no sense. You claim that human efforts can have no effect on climate. If that's the case then you must believe that the increasing concentrations  of greenhouse gases generated by human activity  have no effect in intensifying climate change. If you don't believe that, but rather accept the greenhouse gases are causing intensified climate change, how does it make sense to say that human activity to reduce the generation of greenhouse gases can have no effect? Clear now?

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course I know the first part of that and I never said I didn't.

What I do believe is that no matter how many trees we plant as "carbon credits" it won't make the slightest bit of difference as long as Brazil, SEA and some African countries continue to destroy forests on an industrial scale; driving a tiny number of Evs in rich western countries isn't going to make any difference so long as billions of IC vehicles are driving around in the rest of the world and building expensive windmills isn't going to make an iota of difference when China and other countries are burning massive amounts of coal.

 

I also believe that as long as climate warriors continue to fly large numbers of participants to conferences on climate change they are giving the middle finger to the rest of us.

It's clear you don't have an knowledge of the actual amount of greenhouse gases generated by Africans and Brazilians as opposed to the amount generated by developed and other industrializing nations.

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic, baiting, bickering and troll posts removed along with replies. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/10/2022 at 8:00 PM, placeholder said:

It's clear you don't have an knowledge of the actual amount of greenhouse gases generated by Africans and Brazilians as opposed to the amount generated by developed and other industrializing nations.

I wasn't referring to their greenhouse gas emissions. I was referring to them destroying carbon sinks at a great rate.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:57 PM, placeholder said:

You've even got the topic wrong. For your benefit here it is again: "Climate Change Threatens Things Americans Value Most"

 So let me try to explain again why your claim that you are not a climate change denialist makes no sense. You claim that human efforts can have no effect on climate. If that's the case then you must believe that the increasing concentrations  of greenhouse gases generated by human activity  have no effect in intensifying climate change. If you don't believe that, but rather accept the greenhouse gases are causing intensified climate change, how does it make sense to say that human activity to reduce the generation of greenhouse gases can have no effect? Clear now?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I do believe that climate changes.

I do not believe that anything that humans can do now will have any effect on increasing temperature levels- certainly not in the next decade or two.

 

Is that clear of shall I repeat it more slowly just for you?

 

I don't tell you what you are, so perhaps you can refrain from telling me what I am. I'm not the topic.

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8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I do believe that climate changes.

I do not believe that anything that humans can do now will have any effect on increasing temperature levels- certainly not in the next decade or two.

 

Is that clear of shall I repeat it more slowly just for you?

 

I don't tell you what you are, so perhaps you can refrain from telling me what I am. I'm not the topic.

But I specifically cited evidence that shows the obvious unsoundness of your position. If less greenhouse gases are released into the atmosphere than would otherwise be the case, that would lessen the rate of warming than if a greater amount was released. What is so difficult to understand about that?

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But I specifically cited evidence that shows the obvious unsoundness of your position. If less greenhouse gases are released into the atmosphere than would otherwise be the case, that would lessen the rate of warming than if a greater amount was released. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Welcome to my ignore list. Bye.

[Screaming]

At one period of time, glaciers covered eight percent of the earth surface and twenty five percent of earth land areas.  The last ice age ended about 11,500 years ago and marked the beginning of the Holocene Period, the current geological epoch. The Holocene Period is still progressing and will continue until that changes due to changes by the earth's sun. This nonsense about climate change and the possibility of changing it is just ludicrous.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Welcome to my ignore list. Bye.

The link referred to by @placeholder

 

Defying expectations, CO2 emissions from global fossil fuel combustion are set to grow in 2022 by only a fraction of last year’s big increase

Thanks to record deployment of renewables and EVs, the CO2 intensity of the world’s energy supply is improving again after worsening in 2021 when the economy rebounded sharply

https://www.iea.org/news/defying-expectations-co2-emissions-from-global-fossil-fuel-combustion-are-set-to-grow-in-2022-by-only-a-fraction-of-last-year-s-big-increase

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, Screaming said:

At one period of time, glaciers covered eight percent of the earth surface and twenty five percent of earth land areas.  The last ice age ended about 11,500 years ago and marked the beginning of the Holocene Period, the current geological epoch. The Holocene Period is still progressing and will continue until that changes due to changes by the earth's sun. This nonsense about climate change and the possibility of changing it is just ludicrous.

Your graph needs updating:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File:2000+_year_global_temperature_including_Medieval_Warm_Period_and_Little_Ice_Age_-_Ed_Hawkins.svg

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6 hours ago, Screaming said:

At one period of time, glaciers covered eight percent of the earth surface and twenty five percent of earth land areas.  The last ice age ended about 11,500 years ago and marked the beginning of the Holocene Period, the current geological epoch. The Holocene Period is still progressing and will continue until that changes due to changes by the earth's sun. This nonsense about climate change and the possibility of changing it is just ludicrous.

Please provide a link to that graph. Let's see what the source is.

Edited November 11, 2022 by placeholder

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, Screaming said:

At one period of time, glaciers covered eight percent of the earth surface and twenty five percent of earth land areas.  The last ice age ended about 11,500 years ago and marked the beginning of the Holocene Period, the current geological epoch. The Holocene Period is still progressing and will continue until that changes due to changes by the earth's sun. This nonsense about climate change and the possibility of changing it is just ludicrous.

And thanks for your dismissal of the work of the great 19 century physicist John Tindall who proved the power of greenhouse gases. Maybe you're still living in the 18th century?