Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[vinny41]

  On 12/18/2022 at 6:52 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK currently has over ten million adults (age 16-64)  who are either unemployed (1.26 million) or economically inactive (8.9 million).

 

And it’s getting worse.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/november2022

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork

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The Uk will have to go a long way to match the EU with 6.9 million unemployed and a whopping 108.5 million people economically inactive

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Labour_market_flow_statistics_in_the_EU

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 12/18/2022 at 3:54 AM, Kwasaki said:

All your see is picket lines I reckon. 

 

UK don't need the post office.

 

Railways only need drivers. 

 

NHS management has got to get it's act together to stop wasting money so it can be paid to others. 

 

Firemen, teachers etc etc etc will have to except what's offered if anything. 

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The Unions are taking he UK bacK to the 1970's .

The first thing that the UK needs to is to get inflation under control and back down to a reasonable level . Unions demanding huge wage increases will just cause inflation to rise

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, vinny41 said:

The Uk will have to go a long way to match the EU with 6.9 million unemployed and a whopping 108.5 million people economically inactive

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Labour_market_flow_statistics_in_the_EU

 

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You are comparing apples and oranges.

 

The UK Government Data I have linked is based on adults of working age (16-64), as I clearly stated in my post.

 

The EU data you have linked defines economically inactive as anyone outside the workforce, including infants, children, pensioners etc.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Glossary:People_outside_the_labour_force

 

Comparing ‘unemployed data’ is a little more problematic as each nation and indeed different governments within each nation defines unemployment differently.

 

By example, the UK data I have linked is based on adults between the ages 16-64 whereas the EU data you have linked is based on individuals between the ages 15-74.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Glossary:Unemployment

 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:07 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Unions are taking he UK bacK to the 1970's .

The first thing that the UK needs to is to get inflation under control and back down to a reasonable level . Unions demanding huge wage increases will just cause inflation to rise

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Unions are doing what they are meant to do, getting better pay and conditions for their members.

There’s growing hope that the UK might at last get rid of the low wage economy.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, Kwasaki said:

A family on Social security can get more money than bothering to work. 

A bit on the black now and again.

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Social security payments are calculated to provide basic and essential needs.

 

Low wages not so.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:07 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Unions are taking he UK bacK to the 1970's .

 

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Nope.

 

As admitted by many contenders for the tory party leadership this summer gone, it’s the tories policies that have got the U.K. where it is. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:07 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Unions are taking he UK bacK to the 1970's .

The first thing that the UK needs to is to get inflation under control and back down to a reasonable level . Unions demanding huge wage increases will just cause inflation to rise

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Well yes l remember hardship at times in my life, striked once when working in a papermill in Watford it did us no good.

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:43 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Social security payments are calculated to provide basic and essential needs.

 

Low wages not so.

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Can't ever see wage cutting going away. 

Many live on social quite happily seen it North and South. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, Kwasaki said:

Well yes l remember hardship at times in my life, striked once when working in a papermill in Watford it did us no good.

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Experiences differ:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/16/rolls-royce-workers-pay-rise-bonus-goodwood-unite-union

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, Kwasaki said:

Well yes l remember hardship at times in my life, striked once when working in a papermill in Watford it did us no good.

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The couple of occasions I took part in strike action went well for me. 

 

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:57 AM, Kwasaki said:

Can't ever see wage cutting going away. 

Many live on social quite happily seen it North and South. 

 

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I have at times, in the past, when between jobs had to claim benefits I was entitled to; it was no fun at all.

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  On 12/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, vinny41 said:

The Uk will have to go a long way to match the EU with 6.9 million unemployed and a whopping 108.5 million people economically inactive

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Labour_market_flow_statistics_in_the_EU

 

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Ridiculous comparison. The EU is composed of a range of nations as far as economic development goes. You seriously think comparing the UK to less economically developed nations is valid?

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:01 AM, Bluespunk said:

The couple of occasions I took part in strike action went well for me. 

 

I have at times, in the past, when between jobs had to claim benefits I was entitled to; it was no fun at all.

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In certain areas of the country and certain family situations some have to make do. 

Going away from their home or trying to change their situation isn't always in the options. 

 

There are others who will and can play the system.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:07 AM, Kwasaki said:

In certain areas of the country and certain family situations some have to make do. 

Going away from their home or trying to change their situation isn't always in the options. 

 

There are others who will and can play the system.

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Coming from a childhood where benefits kept our head above water despite parents working (child benefit back then) believe me, we were not playing any system. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:21 AM, Bluespunk said:

Coming from a childhood where benefits kept our head above water despite parents working (child benefit back then) believe me, we were not playing any system. 

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With respect l wouldn't suggest your family was.

 

My experience is I have ex-family in Sunderland that have been on social all their life, still worked on the black and odd job when it suited them. 

 

Single mums in the south playing the system all easy done. 

 

That's just 2 examples of the uses of the UK social services.

[stevenl]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:46 AM, Kwasaki said:

With respect l wouldn't suggest your family was.

 

My experience is I have ex-family in Sunderland that have been on social all their life, still worked on the black and odd job when it suited them. 

 

Single mums in the south playing the system all easy done. 

 

That's just 2 examples of the uses of the UK social services.

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With any system there will always be abusers. But that doesn't mean the system is bad and it doesn't justify generalisations like you were making earlier.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:46 AM, Kwasaki said:

With respect l wouldn't suggest your family was.

 

My experience is I have ex-family in Sunderland that have been on social all their life, still worked on the black and odd job when it suited them. 

 

Single mums in the south playing the system all easy done. 

 

That's just 2 examples of the uses of the UK social services.

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And there are many more who have no other options but to claim what they are entitled to. 
 

PS: at no point did I regard your posts as disparaging myself or my family. 

[sandyf]

  On 12/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, vinny41 said:

The Uk will have to go a long way to match the EU with 6.9 million unemployed and a whopping 108.5 million people economically inactive

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Labour_market_flow_statistics_in_the_EU

 

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That is a good one. 555

Economically inactive includes retirees and with the more generous retirement benefits in the EU there is bound to be a significantly greater percentage of retirees.

In Utopia, economic activity would be voluntary.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 9:06 AM, sandyf said:

That is a good one. 555

Economically inactive includes retirees and with the more generous retirement benefits in the EU there is bound to be a significantly greater percentage of retirees.

In Utopia, economic activity would be voluntary.

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Give me utopia over brexit any day of the week. 

[sandyf]

  On 12/18/2022 at 1:34 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K really needs to keep its independence 

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What you really mean is the English want to be independent.

With 85 % of the vote it was only ever going to be a one nation decision and the greatest act of self harm in history. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 8:54 AM, stevenl said:

With any system there will always be abusers. But that doesn't mean the system is bad and it doesn't justify generalisations like you were making earlier.

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The system is bad full stop. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 12/18/2022 at 9:21 AM, sandyf said:

What you really mean is the English want to be independent.

With 85 % of the vote it was only ever going to be a one nation decision and the greatest act of self harm in history. 

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It was actually the U.K that voted as a whole

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 9:43 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was actually the U.K that voted as a whole

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The countries all voted.
 

Not all countries voted to leave. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:04 AM, Bluespunk said:

The countries all voted.
 

Not all countries voted to leave. 

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You don't like democracy do you. ????

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:20 AM, Kwasaki said:

You don't like democracy do you. ????

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I do.

 

I also recognise two countries were dragged out of the eu against their will because a majority in one country wanted to leave. 
 

And those hardcore brexit loons are not happy with the tories either.

 

 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/18/anger-brexit-tories-red-wall-conservatives-reform-uk-party-immigration?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Kwasaki]

Just heard a union rep speak on LBC London radio saying the govt need to talk to us we are not on strike today and people are turning up at A&E in Taxi's.

 

I see that as a shot in the foot. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:21 AM, Bluespunk said:

I do.

 

I also recognise two countries were dragged out of the eu against their will because a majority in one country wanted to leave. 

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Well the question would be are you Scottish or Irish or an Englishman who didn't want to leave EU. 

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:29 AM, Kwasaki said:

Well the question would be are you Scottish or Irish or an Englishman who didn't want to leave EU. 

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Nope. This thread is not about me. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:30 AM, Bluespunk said:

Nope. This thread is not about me. 

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That's a cope out in my book you and anybody can ask me anything.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/18/2022 at 10:33 AM, Kwasaki said:

That's a cope out in my book you and anybody can ask me anything.

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Nonetheless…

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  On 12/18/2022 at 10:33 AM, Kwasaki said:

That's a cope out in my book you and anybody can ask me anything.

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No matter how irrelevant. Yours is just another transparent attempt to distract from issues and make it personal instead.